Jesus freakin' Christ walkin'...

[one_voice]

on jell-o....

Are we done talking about how Obama royally fucked up the first debate? And how that's the ONLY fucking thing that matters now until the election? And how Mitt Robme is a forgone conclusion for the next POTUS?

I mean for fuck sakes, Mitt Robme says stupid shit every other hour, lies like a Persian rug, and says he can't tell you details cuz you won't vote for him and all that disappears cuz the Prez has ONE, yes ONE FUCKIN" bad debate?!?!?!

Getthefuckouttahere!! The media are such toe suckers I swear to the political gods! UGGGHHH!!! The hand wringing on the left, the chest thumpin' on the right and the media adoration reminds me of the exorcist head spinning scene.

[leftstreet]

1. They're just trying to make the GOP look viable again

The party died, Reaganomics failed, RIP GOP

But you can't have a horse race with just one horse...

[leftynyc]

17. Democrats are helping

This board - along with several other progressive boards - are posting thread after thread about the polls, the debate, how we're all doomed. The handwringing and whining is pathetic. I'm not saying not to post bad stuff - we need to keep informed. But this "the polls are cooked" crap helps nobody. Pew could have been an outlier - it happens.

[AgingAmerican]

26. I somewhat agree

Nationally, there seem to be a lot of Democrats running around with their hair is on fire over this. This too shall pass. Obama will hand Romney his ass in the next two debates.

[BrainMann1]

94. Don't sweat it look at the polls NOW.

Plus the Prez started after the debates stating how flip-flop Mitt will say whatever to get elected. The American people are not fooled.

[Godless in Seattle]

107. Sadly, yes

Including many who have their own TV shows.

[JNelson6563]

112. Thankfully the election happens in the real world.

Not the pretend world of the internet.

Out here in reality things look very different than on DU and other parts of the 'net.

I don't find many concern trolls and fake Dems out here, just real people who earnestly want to make things better.

Julie

[leftynyc]

120. Excellent point

Just because someone doesn't spend all day checking out poll numbers and what's being said on cable news doesn't mean they are low information voters. I usually use my mom for a reality check - a loyal democrat who sees the good and the bad.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

49. BEWARE THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE

[robinlynne]

118. becuase if they can make it look like a close race(s), their election theft will again be accepted.

[nc4bo]

2. Heey - I thought he rode a tricycle??!!

Still waiting for the pressure cooker to settle down before taking off the lid.

We'll be ok. It's DU

[one_voice]

7. Tricycle + jell-o...

I'm thinking you've come up with a future Olympic event!

It's not DU, DU is where I come for sanity. I was watching the telly, and I think they've lost their minds.

[nc4bo]

11. I know......same here.

There's some crazy crap spewing out of my tv machine too. I run here and we're all aflutter and I'm reaching for my Tums bottle. At least here you know you'll get some logical explanations along with active volcano syndrome

Hang in there one_voice, hang in there!!

[one_voice]

16. Thanks...

you too!

[Cha]

77. Thanks for your thread, one_voice

I was getting disheartened reading a couple of threads before I trashed them I then saw yours.

This article from Kevin Drum at Mother Jones explains the aftermath from the debate pretty well.

Here's how things would have gone if liberals had their fair share of hacks. Obviously Obama wasn't at his best on Wednesday. But when the debate was over that wouldn't have mattered. Conservatives would have started crowing about how well Romney did. Liberals would have acknowledged that Obama should have confronted Romney's deceptions more forcefully, but otherwise would have insisted that Obama was more collected and presidential sounding than the hyperactive Romney and clearly mopped the floor with him on a substantive basis. News reporters would then have simply reported the debate normally: Romney said X, Obama said Y, and both sides thought their guy did great. By the next day it would barely be a continuing topic of conversation, and by Friday the new jobs numbers would have buried it completely.

Instead, liberals went batshit crazy. I didn't watch any commentary immediately after the debate because I wanted to write down my own reactions first, and my initial sense was that Obama did a little bit worse than Romney. But after I hit the Publish button and turned on the TV, I learned differently. As near as I could tell, the entire MSNBC crew was ready to commit ritual suicide right there on live TV, Howard Beale style. Ditto for all their guests, including grizzled pols like Ed Rendell who should have known better. It wasn't just that Obama did poorly, he had delivered the worst debate performance since Clarence Darrow left William Jennings Bryan a smoking husk at the end of Inherit the Wind. And it wasn't even just that. It was a personal affront, a betrayal of everything they thought was great about Obama. And, needless to say, it put Obama's entire second term in jeopardy and made Romney the instant front runner.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251127676#post12

[one_voice]

78. thanks for the article...

I couldn't watch MSNBC the next day. It's not that I don't like any criticism, I thought the Prez could have done better, but jeebus they lost their freakin' minds. It wasn't a discussion, it was hyperventilation. They lost their shit on teevee, nothing like giving the right their pound of flesh.

When will we learn? That's what makes me the angriest. We're feeding them, the fucking trolls. Sorry, it just makes me so angry.

I'm all in for Obama, I get mad sometimes, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna give them the ammunition to shoot me. eff that noise!

I'm donating as much as I can, I've got my sign in my yard. Gonna call about making calls for the campaign. My state is a lock (Delaware), but I still will help.

[Cha]

81. Thank you for all you're doing, one_voice!

VP Biden is your Native Son..just like my state, Hawai'i, where I retired is claiming Pres Obama and is a lock too.

[brush]

102. Somebody with some sense

Exactly my feelings about the MSNBC crew (except Sharpton, O'Donnell and Bashir). It was sickening to watch their meltdown and complete putdown of the President as they fawned over how assertive and forceful Romney was. To me it was almost a betrayal. They didn't have his back at all. And they're still continuing with it because they can't or won't admit that they kinda fucked up with their total lack of support for the President (and it's even worse because they influence millions who believe and then repeat their overreaction, ad infinitum). Much as I dislike repugs I have to say they would never pile on their candidate and make him look bad like that. It was disgusting. The President didn't do that bad and Romney didn't do that good. He lied all night and abandoned every goddamn thing he allegedly stood for all campaign, c'mon already! That's not what I call a winner. His grande-sized whoppers and flip flop el supremos are what that MSNBC crew should have jumped all over.

[Cha]

105. Glad you got to see it, brush.

All the work Pres Obama has done for four years and these screaming hyperbolic ragers come along and wipe it off the face of the earth. And, willard gets to lie with impugnity.

But, Pres Obama does not give in or give up..he's doing all his Presidential responsibilities extraordinarily well..but, you know this(the over the top reactions) must be weighing on his mind, a little. Or not. I have no clue.

But, he can handle..I remember some dark days in 2008 during the primaries and The General before we came BACK!

[brush]

108. Agreed

I'm with you, Cha. I too think he can handle it.

[gateley]

3. We have to take it from here and forge ahead, but there's no denying the resulting poll numbers.

We can't dwell on it, but we can't pretend it didn't have an impact, either.

[Texin]

47. They're devastating numbers - a 12 point downward plunge

in the Pew poll. In every category he's down, with Romney's favorable rating topping Obama's for the first time. For the first time female voters are giving Romney the lead.

Nobody can deny the effects of that debate (non) performance. It's unbelievable. The Rethugs (with Rove at the helm of the messaging - and make no mistake, he's still calling the shots even though it appears he is in an arms-length distance - learned their lessons from the Nazis. Tell a lie over and over and never waver from it, and the people will be suckered into believing every, fucking time. Every time. It doesn't matter that the shithead is lying and not being forthcoming about his plans for the (once and former) so-called middle class. Their intent is to take away everything that built a middle class in this country and return people to nothing but indentured servants. They'll pack the courts with every more rabid conservatives and "reform" voting regulations and the poor will never be able to crawl out of their hellholes again. The middle class just took a bullet for Obama last Wednesday and we're toast.

[gateley]

56. I'm not that pessimistic, just not kidding myself that it doesn't matter.

I'm encouraged by how Obama started fighting back the next day. I can't fathom what the fuck their strategy was, or why Obama didn't jettison the plan when he saw what Romney was doing, but we're stuck with the reality and have an opportunity to turn it around. Don't give up! Don't get mad, get even!

[brush]

123. Nobody with any sense

DON'T PANIC! Nobody with any sense believes Pew and their alleged 12 point downward plunge. Most people on this site know that there are all kinds of ways to manipulate poll findings. I suspect that's what's happening here. Again, DON'T PANIC!. Keep working for the President or that dire stuff in you post about their intent will come true.

[renie408]

4. I think the disheartening thing is how little it takes to sway people away from Obama.

I didn't realize how much people were just looking for a reason to NOT vote for him. His debate performance was lackluster, no doubt. But does that REALLY warrant how hard he has crashed in polls? Of course not.

It is just wearing.

[Texin]

59. It's hardly surprising

This is not a post-racial country and it won't ever be at the rate we're going now. The average working class white person has an aversion to minorities of any stripe. Obama's single greatest impediment with the very voters that would benefit from his policies the most is the simple fact this his skin isn't white. It doesn't matter that his mother was caucasian, he's not white enough for a lot of these voters and they'll look for an alternative because they're not comfortable with people who don't look like their reflection in the mirror telling them what to do or how to think, and they just don't trust them.

All voters were hearing prior to that debate was that Romney was a walking, talking bumbling disaster. He came out onto that debate stage and performed. He looked, to low information voters and racist whitebread voters, "presidential" - and that's enough for them. It doesn't matter that he'll strip away every social safety net they and their parents and their grandparents have - and will never have again - he's white enough for them and that's all that matters. He could tell them to their faces that he's going to impose a higher tax on them and take away every mortage and dependent deduction they've evern taken - and that under his plans they'll probably have to get three or four part-time, low wage, no benefit jobs to put a pot of beans on their dining tables - and they'd still vote for the guy. Romney could tell these folks that the wimen folk need to stay at home, sweep the porch, "surrender" to their husbands and birth as many children as they can drop out of their bodies until the day they died in childbirth or from a pistol stuck in the mouths, and they'd still vote for the sorry bastard.

[gateley]

62. Totally agree, Texin -- well said! And welcome to DU!

[Spike89]

87. Have to disagree, in large part

This is NOT a post racial country, but that isn't the significant factor in this election. It is a factor, sure. So is Romney's religion. So is the first debate. But before you tar the entire country with "the average working class white person has an aversion to minorities" thing, realize that better than 50% (or if you subscribe to fraud theories, nearly 50%) voted for Bush II over Kerry. Geez, Obama won soundly in his first term and he was just as black then.

This country is polarized by a number of things..."values", economic ideology, simple red vs blue state games, and yes, racism. Focusing solely on the racial issue ignores the reality that there are other real issues of importance dividing the candidates. Certainly, call people on overt racism, but blanket statements that all white working folk are racist are not only wrong when examined, they are harmful in that they shut down all discussion.

It is quite possible to be totally wrong (i.e., republican) without being racist.

[gateley]

61. As a commentator said on MSNBC, Romney's performance energized his base. But I agree that it seems

like an awfully weak incentive except for those who didn't want to vote for Obama anyway. Kind of like the Birthers clinging to that bullshit so they didn't have to confront their racism, these respondents may be using this for an excuse.

[MrMickeysMom]

100. You are right...

This is very worrisome for the American people, not so much for the Prez...

WE need to get our shit in order. Who was it that wrote "Shock Doctrine"? Isn't this psyche just the result of the trauma from the Reagan on down to Bush years, culminating after 9/11?

Who ARE we?

[D23MIURG23]

114. The Shock Doctrine was written by Naomi Klein n/t

[robinlynne]

119. The republicans were infighting, not wnaitng to vote. Romney was pretty much a dead duck until the

debate. The debate gave them a huge amount of strength. This is not about people not backing Obama. This is about Obama losing an upper hand of 10-12 points which was bringing in senatorial and congressional elections for Dems. Whether or not we can get back to where we were, I have no idea. It took a lot of "miracles' to get Romeny so far down in the polls. let's hope there are more.

I dont think there can be unless Dems ATTACK. about Bain CApital, etc. which is what I believe Obama should have done at the debate.

[cali]

5. NO ONE is saying that Mitt has this in the bag. That's YOUR hyperbole.

The debate still reverberates so of course we're not done talking about how it impacted the race. That Mitt lies and says stupid shit is not in question. the big question is WHY that debate had such impact?

Analysis and discussion is not hand wringing, sweetie. YOU are the one having hysterics.

[one_voice]

9. Well thank you for your...

condescending "sweetie" remark. I wasn't talking about DU.

edit. last line wasn't necessary.

[12AngryBorneoWildmen]

27. I liked it better before the edit, lamby kins.

[one_voice]

30. Nice!

[heaven05]

117. sorry

that poster does that to everyone that doesn't agree with it's 'worldview'. There are people out here who say, welcome and I understand your frustration with hand wringers, bed wetters and traitorous MSM hacks.

[K Gardner]

10. I'd beg to differ. All you have to do is look down the list of threads here. This OP captures well

the general "mood" of this place.

And don't think the 'media' doesn't notice the freak out on the left, either. That doesn't look very good either as far as our backing our President. OP has valid point.

Let's not forget, DU made the national news because of the ridiculous threads on CHEAT NOTE CONSPIRACY theories, which people here were more than glad to keep kicked to the top of the page for days on end.

[one_voice]

15. The cheat sheet thing...

made the news cuz of DU? Hell I didn't know that. Wow.

I don't disagree that Prez O was off his game that night, but at some point we need to move on. We've got Joe coming up in two days and we're still talking about what happened last week. We need to get behind Joe, and what the President his now saying. The right will hold on to the first debate till election day if they can.

We had good UE numbers come out...that's gotten lost in how horrible Obama did in the first debate. WTF? Why, we should be talking about that. Hammering the right with that, but nope we're talking about what THEY & the media want us to. I don't get. Every Obama surrogate should change to topic to the UE numbers or pointing out some of the specific lies Romney told. Stop feeding the story.

[K Gardner]

23. Exactly.. we're just pouring gas on a fire if we don't STOP, no matter how disappointed or

angry or hurt we are over the debate. You're spot on.

[seabeyond]

6. see... i am with you. this is beyond stupid and absurd. nt

[porphyrian]

8. . n/t

[madokie]

12. It worries me too

I think that it will be a uphill battle more so than it was already due to the fact that rMoney is white and our very fine President isn't.
Yea it pisses me off and if I could I'd be kicking every puke I see right square in the nuts from now until november 6

[Politicalboi]

13. Speaking of toe suckers

How is Dick Morris these days.

Last I heard he had Athlete's Mouth.

[Stuckinthebush]

14. Yeah, I'm done now

Although I am on the Obama-screwed-up-royally side, It has been debated to death (pun intended). He will still beat Mitt in November.

On to the next debate!

[DireStrike]

18. Did anybody really say any of that stuff after the first sentence?

Yeah, he screwed up the debate. Does it even matter? Probably not.

[RevStPatrick]

19. I prefer this one...

But yeah, you're right.
It's disheartening at best, and frikkin' insanity at worst.
Sometimes, I think we don't deserve to have nice things.
And an Obama presidency is a nice thing...

[Romulox]

20. It's like some people come to this board, and DEMAND politics not be discussed.

[Kalidurga]

21. I guess it does no good to say Obama won.

IMO Obama won at least on substance. I don't think highly of Mitt's performance, I actually think he looked terrible. No one or hardly anyone is talking about the after effects of his tan in a can, his facial expressions, his posture (same as a fearful dog that goes aggressive), the constant lies I call them rapid fire lies others call it the Gish Gallop. That isn't winning like when New Orleans was targeting players on other teams to injure on purpose, sure they won the Super Bowl, but they did cheat. We really need a media that makes it clear that cheating is frowned upon.

[DarleenMB]

22. A bit over the top

but thanks for saying what I've been muttering to myself now for nearly a week.

I just wanted to bitch slap the entire MSNBC crew last Wednesday.

[NightOwwl]

24. Seriously, some people here

need to toughen up.

All this whiny, crybaby, oh noes the sky is falling!! crap just reinforces the stereotype that Dems are weaklings who always fold under pressure.

So cut it out!

[GOTV]

39. Really? We're reinforcing the stereotype?

Obama folding under the pressure of Romney's stare in front of 50 million people has nothing to do with it?

[NightOwwl]

48. Oh noes he had a bad night!

We're doomed, doomed I tells ya!

[GOTV]

74. In front of 50 million people. How many people does a DU post reach?

[NightOwwl]

83. You want to lose sleep over it, be my guest.

The only people he swayed were undecideds and undecideds are so f-ing stupid they'll probably forget to vote anyway.

[GOTV]

115. Yeah, that's why Obama's in free fall on five thirty eight. Obama made a huge unforced error

I think he can get it back but not while he's still willing to nap through the debates

[brush]

103. Your opinion

That's your opinion, not everyone's. "Folding under the pressure of Romney's stare . . . " Are you serious? How about having your candidate's back for God's sake.

[GOTV]

116. Lying about what we all clearly saw in the debate is not the way ...

... to "have Obama's back".

Wake up. Even Obama admits he screwed up.

[brush]

122. Nobody's advocating lying

The President didn't do that bad and Romney didn't do that good. Romney lied all night and abandoned every goddamn thing he allegedly stood for all campaign, c'mon already! That's not what I call a winner. His grande-sized whoppers and flip flop el supremos ARE WHAT WE ALL SHOULD BE CRITICIZING. Nobody's advocating lying, Romney does enough of that for everybody. All I'm saying is, have your candidate's back, for God's sake and point out the other guy's faults, not just stuff to make your own guy look bad.

[GOTV]

124. "Romney lied all night" - HA ha! Like that matters ...

... when you don't forcefully hit him back. Romney did what he needed to do to win the debate and he was only successful because Obama got out of the way and let him.

And here you are telling us to "have Obama's back" by NOT pointing out what the problem was?

We can criticize Romney's lies and flip flops all day but we don't get to talk to 50 million people, Obama did. Telling us not to talk about Obama's failure in the debate is not about helping Obama at all, it's about not having to read criticism about the guy we all want to win.

[brush]

125. Have his back

That's right, have your candidate's back. You've criticized the President plenty but in your two posts you still haven't criticized Romney even though he lied and bullied all night. Sure you're not a Romney supporter, because you sure sound like one?

[GOTV]

126. There's no point is criticising Romney here. Jeeze!

Wake up. I live in Cleveland, why don't I do something REALLY brave like putting a Browns bumper sticker on my car. We don't need more members on our cheer leading squad.

Obama gets called because HE deserves the calling. He screwed up, Romney didn't. And I'm sure that's exactly what Obama's team has been telling him. The namby pamby soft peddle he's getting here won't put him in the white house.

Do you want Obama to be your president or your dinner party guest? Because if he listens to you I suspect he'll have a lot of time coming up to attend your dinner party in the near future..

I want Obama to start working for Obama.

Biden is.

[lunatica]

25. Hey I sympathize

I hit the wall on Sunday just like you're doing now. I waited 6 days before I finally had it with the whining and rending of clothes. You're more patient then me.

But yeah, I get where you're coming from.

[barbtries]

28. it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

i share your frustration.

[DisabledAmerican]

29. DU Doomsayers are really making this place look bad

It's like they are going out of their way to use anything to attack Obama. I'm actually surprised that this BEHAVIOR is allowed at DU. I can understand legit concerns, but these people are doing anything and everything to attack Obama at every chance and declare the Sky is falling. It's getting old.

[GOTV]

31. I'd say it's an appropriate topic until one of two things happen ...

1 - Obama's polls numbers improve to the point that it's obvious that his hamfisted debate performance hasn't hurt him

OR

2 - He blows Romney out of the water during the 2nd debate.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

32. A friend of mine who thinks the TV machine was invented for sports sent me this...

Rom knee seems like a guy who would take candy from a baby. And deny it while the
video of it was being shown.

THAT is what the classic Joe sixpack thinks.

[catbyte]

33. A-freaking-men

[think_critically]

34. Gotta Vent

I've been coming to the board for a while but never really posted but I've just got to vent. I don't understand
how he let this happen. There was so much at stake and he didn't even come out fighting. I felt like I had more passion
and emotion tied up into his campaign and presidency than he did in that debate. Lets not kid ourselves, Romney has
completely reversed his fortunes and it's not looking good right now. This whole fiasco has really gotten me down.

[GoneOffShore]

35. Come down off the ledge.

[arcane1]

36. Obama is still leading

and the debate was a week ago.

[H2O Man]

38. seek professional help

[think_critically]

43. Sometimes I agree with you

I do take this stuff way to seriously tbh.

[appalled_again]

37. Jesus freakin' Christ walkin'...

My sentiments exactly. My grandson was watching MSNBC this morning showing person after person still discussing the POTUS debate performance. He didn't bring his "A" game we all agree. Let's move FORWARD!

[WestWisconsinDem]

45. didn't bring his "A game" WOW

...that's like making the US olympic team in the marathon and then treating the race as a "Sunday jog." How could a serious candidate not bring his A game to an event of this magnitude? Frankly it makes one wonder if at some (maybe subconcious) level Obama is just plain tired of being POTUS.

[one_voice]

50. Stop it...

that's what I'm talking about...

A man that doesn't want to be president doesn't draw this kind of crowd, the day AFTER the career ending debate. Find the youtube video of his speech...then come back here and spew that. He has TWO more debates....

[WestWisconsinDem]

40. Well, he's gone from a small but real lead to a 4-point deficit...what do you expect?

Until this changes what do you expect people to do, be happy that he got his backside absolutely handed to him?? I thought we always made fun of the freepers for "poll truthing" and claiming that every poll that doesn't favor Romney is slanted.

I'm sure this post will get alerted and hidden because of my low post count and not conforming to some folks' polyanna vision, but whatever.

[CakeGrrl]

55. Where are you getting the 4-point deficit? The Pew poll

which was exposed as being heavily skewed in favor of Southern white men?

The power of MSM misinformation...

[chknltl]

41. 'freakin'? I thought 'HIS' middle name was Hershal.....

or Harold or Harcourt or something like that. (the things one learns on the BIG DU!)

[Brigid]

42. OK, so Obama had an off night.

Can't deny that. But it's waaaay past time to get over it. It isn't as if the guy doesn't have other things on his mind. He does have a day job, after all. And on substance, Obama killed Mitty. We all know that. So yeah, the wailing and gnashing of teeth needs to stop. See NightOwwl's post above for further details.

[BumRushDaShow]

44. Wow.

[Paladin]

51. Thanks---We Needed That. Seriously. (nt)

[flyguyjake]

52. That's fine and all... BUT it's a fact so far that Romney is now on top.

Like it or not, IF Obama would have smashed Romney in the first debate like he was "supposed" to do then this would have been in the bag. Now we have to fight tooth & nail to the bitter end. IF we're even lucky enough to win.

Here's the problem. Most people feel that ALL politicians lie. So this "Romney's a flip-flopper" attack line isn't working anymore. I've used it in face to face conversations and the other people ALL said "so what, all politicians lie".

There ya have it!

[Avalux]

54. What evidence do you have that Romney is on top?

Please post why you believe he's on top. I'd really like to understand why you keep saying it.

[think_critically]

58. Your right

Unfortunately I think you are right. They don't care. Romney came off as a human being and that's all that matters.

[one_voice]

63. He came off as a...

over caffeinated hyped up on Red Bull lying bully. There are two constants you're hearing....Obama seemed off his game and Robme was assertive.

Sadly we're a country that enjoys watching overly hyped bullies, that's what mattered at the end of the night. NOT substance, if that had mattered Robme would have been slaughtered immediately, instead he's still getting a pass on his bullshit.

He did not come off as human, to anyone that cared about the topics.

I watched Maher on Friday night and he cited a poll, that showed that people didn't like when Obama said "Now ... he is saying that his big, bold idea is 'never mind'. WTF is that about?

Good when Romney drags out the snark, bad when Obama does it....mind you when Obama did it, it was founded in truth.

Go think critically on that.

Oh and one more thing, had Robme been a woman and tried that 'assertive' shit I can only imagine what would be said about her.

[think_critically]

64. It's all relative

Yes, to the rational person you could see him for what he was. He's a snarky, lying, abrasive candidate. However, showing
some emotion, even negative, is better than looking like an android.

[brush]

104. On top?

I don't know where you got that crap but Romney is not on top. You need to check all of the polls and stop spreading misinformation.

[Avalux]

53. The debate was a week ago and I'm sick and tired of ongoing crap about it.

It's done it's over; a debate has never been a deciding factor in past presidential races, so why now? Not only is the MSM still perpetuating the over-importance of it, so is DU. ENOUGH.

[tosh]

57. K&R!!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

60. I'm done talking about the last debate

but I am decidedly NOT done laughing over the phrase "Jesus freakin' Christ walkin' on Jell-o"

That's going to take some time...

[zeemike]

65. Well I was one of the few that thought Obama did OK.

And that Rmoney looked and sounded desperate...but then I often disagree with the official opinion of the TE WE tube.

And so when I saw the phony polls that said Rmoney got a boost and it was tied I cried "the fix is in"
Cause in my opinion that debated could not have changed the polls that much...and now we have evidence that it indeed did not.
And it should not change them again unless Obama comes out in the next one and pledges allegiance to Al Qaeda or something....but if the do watch out....I just don't trust those bastards and never will.

[think_critically]

66. That's the thing

If you read the transcript the debate doesn't look lopsided at all. It was all about stature and confidence. Which honestly makes it more difficult to swallow. Also, Romney was getting testy at times and had Obama jabbed him one or two good times I'm convinced he would have lost it. Romney HATES being challenged and can't handle it well at all.

[zeemike]

71. Welcome to DU.

We do have hard debate here at times...but i would have it no other way.
There is nothing so boring as a debate where everyone agrees.

[Stardust]

106. I also thought Obama did just fine in the debate. I knew from the get-go that Romney was

going to lie, lie, lie and Obama would either have to spend the entire time refuting every other statement Romney made or try to move on to a more compelling topic. I mean, jeez Louise, what the hell was he supposed to do?!?!?! Heaven forbid he should become the dreaded "angry black guy" and give every pundit the chance to lambaste him mercilessly.

I happened to listen to the debate while I was working and wasn't in rapt attention as most TV viewers were. And I didn't think Obama was off his game at all. Then on my way home, I caught more of the debate on the Mike Malloy show and Mike was in paroxysms over Obama. I began then to realize that the media and the general public were not judging Obama favorably. When I got home, I watch a recorded version and just sensed that Obama was weary of the whole damn charade and sick of Romney's lies.

27 fucking lies in 38 minutes. That has to set an all-time record. Why bother? How can it even be called a "debate?"

The next morning I realized how fortunate I was to have heard what even the MSNBC pundits, who I usually admire, were bitching about.

My heart goes out to Obama. He is constantly held to a standard that no human can possibly meet.

[zeemike]

110. I thik Rmoney would have liked to turn it into a shouting match.

And make Obama into the angry black guy...and I bet he had zingers just waiting that he practiced just of that.
I think he did just what he had to do...remain calm and not try to answer a torrent of lies and misstatements.
But then that is what I think a president should be....calm and reasonable.

[Shuhered]

67. Down Boy, Down Boy !

While your choice of words is not how I'd turn the phrase, I do agree that the media wants a race to the end. Vote Obama!!!

[one_voice]

73. That'd be down girl down...

I tend to speak in very colorful language.

[Shuhered]

95. That's Cool

Ex-Navy man here and love your passion!!!

[green917]

68. Not to worry!

The whole dynamic is going to change Friday morning after VP Biden beats Rep. Ryan like a narc at a biker rally!

[think_critically]

69. Let's hope so

[LittleRock]

70. My DU friends...

Please don't forget the incumbents horrible record in their first debates. Rachel had a great piece on this. Like everyone else I was disappointed in the POTUS performance. (hey Barrack, stop nodding when Romney is lying through his teeth. People think you agree with what he's saying.) We've got three more (VP included). I'm sure Obama learned a great deal from this. In November we'll be counting our blessings that this turd was dropped in the first debate, not the last.
I do agree that it is disheartening that the polls could swing so easily. Romney has so many repugnant views, ideas, issues, traits...any one out which would scare/disgust me so much I couldn't vote for him. This election should be a landslide, the fact that it is even close shakes my faith in humanity.

[Blanks]

72. Even though it's been almost a week.

Except for the wailing and gnashing of teeth about how poorly Obama did (which I think is exaggerated); I keep seeing references to Romney mistakes.

Cut PBS and save $8 million vs oil subsidies for $4 billion. Big bird.

More Americans are in support of the fact that the president has spent too much on alternative energy than are opposed to him spending too much on it.

Only the political junkies think Obama did poorly (that shoe fits a lot of feet here). I hear a lot of criticism that he didn't bring up the 47%. Everyone knows about the 47%; bringing it up in the debate is a waste of breath.

It's like watching the Super Bowl and being disappointed because your team won with a field goal instead of a touchdown. I had no problem with the presidents performance. I though he won when he told Lehrer that he had 5 seconds and smiled. I was more concerned he'd come off defensive; I was glad to see him smile.

Romney got more praise from his supporters and Obama got more criticism from his supporters. I don't believe people changed their vote to Romney (or away from Obama) as a result of this first debate.

I'll be more inclined to believe that happened when someone I know indicates that happened. I don't believe for a minute that Romney swayed any voters; sure the talking heads were all a swooning, but all I hear is how much he looked like a bully. That's not even taking the lying into account.

Maybe Obama could have done better, but once the post debate Romney high-fiving came to an end. They started getting into Romney's negatives, and they are plentiful.

[Cha]

75. From the Crap I've

read a little of before I Trashed it..it's seems..Apparently Not.

Haven't gotten Enough Attention for stomping on the President when he's down..want to make sure they were right. for the initial Stomp.



The President has my back and I have his.. Corporate media whore$, etc have their narrative..I have my own.

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http://theobamadiary.com/

[still_one]

76. It is time we move on. The only ones who want to stay on this is the media /nt

[Rainngirl]

79. THANK YOU!!!!

I'm sick of it, too!! I keep screaming at the TV or radio when some new so-called Democrat starts up about it. I expect it from the damn wing-nuts, but NOT from people who supposedly support the President--or SHOULD support him because Romney would be infinitely worse for this country.

[Lint Head]

80. That's all the RMoney folks have to hang their hats on.

I still think Obama is using a guise and just let RMoney rant on and on because his own words are his own worst enemy. It's not winning the battle but winning the war. Putting RMoney away during the first debate may have only gained sympathy for him. Now the down ticket will lose contributions because the money will go into RMoney's campaign.

[A Simple Game]

82. I thought we were. But some people won't let it go away.

Some are even doing OPs about it.

Go figure!

[obxhead]

84. Apparently not

Apparently not. You just created one more post about it.

First we have to stop talking about it, then we have to stop talking about not talking about it....

[Wednesdays]

85. I SOOOOOO can't wait until this brouhaha is all behind us Thursday night

Just 51 more hours.... Just 51 more hours to hang onto my sanity....

[ailsagirl]

86. It's ancient history-- remember the new jobs numbers??

That easily supersedes any debate performance.

[sevenseas]

88. I understand your rant-

but if you are as old as I am, you would remember the first TV debate- between Nixon and John Kennedy.

It went like this-

"Kennedy and Nixon are going to be on TV for a debate this evening".

(It was 7:30 pm, I remember exactly)

"Who is Kennedy?"

Then we sat down and watched the debate. Kennedy shone like a knight coming to the rescue, while Nixon sweated and had shifty eyes and responded negatively to everything Kennedy said.

Kennedy smiled that fabulous smile, and the die was cast in that split second. Kennedy- from "Who is Kennedy?"- in 1/2 hour (they say it was an hour debate- it was 1/2 hour) Kennedy went from unknown to the favored candidate, and the rest is history.

MY POINT: These debates are so important they can change the course of history and we dare not let Romney walk away with the blue ribbon.

THAT IS WHY we FREAKED OUT when Obama fell flat. It must not happen again.

The reason we talked about it, blogged and wrung our hands is we love Obama and want him to do better- America's future depends on these debates- we must not pretend he did good when he didn't- we must be honest. And he must do better. He wilil do better, I am sure of that.

OBAMA HEAR THIS: YES- YOU CAN!

[Whisp]

89. the pundits will be shitting themselves soon

because Obama and team are going to take back what they lost (which isn't much I am sure - just the yappers yapping their yap) they are going to take back what they may have lost AND THEN SOME.

and none of the ones who were laying bird eggs and tearing their red hair out and eating it (like Tweety and BigShitHead Ed) are going to apologize for overreacting to nothing. What a bunch of clowns - I really lost a lot of respect for those two.

[Aldo Leopold]

90. Greatest threads? Seriously? I don't know which is worse

the number of threads after the debate expressing concern over the President's performance, or the number of threads the past few days berating all of the "whining", "hand wringing", and unfounded "worry", etc. because, obviously, the recent polls show so clearly the President is doing just fine.

Hindsight is golden. Until it clashes with foresight.

[flying-skeleton]

91. But ...... THAT is exactly what we said the last two time Bush got elected !!!

Don't under estimate how many DUMB & IGNORANT brainwashed Americans that listen to the BULLSHIT MOUNTAIN everyday.

[geckosfeet]

92. All I want is to see the tax returns. That's all. Then - maybe, I'll consider voting for him.

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


But I still want to see the tax returns.

[lillypaddle]

93. Hear, hear! nt

[GeorgeGist]

96. And you're so Cool.

[font size = 1000] NOT.

[one_voice]

98. this has got to be...

the oddest response..I don't get it.

[jimlup]

97. I can relate

God it has been an awful week in media land.

[LakeErieLiberal]

99. Romney is an awful man and a liar

but we need to do more arguing for why Obama deserves a second term.

President Obama deserves a second term because he has kept our country safe, he has managed terrible strife in the middle east reasonably well, he stopped the crash of our country as it was heading into the abyss and has stood watch as the unemployment rate returned to its lowest rate in four years, has reduced the deficit by 20% since last year....all in the face of the worst obstruction by another branch of government in the last 100 years...people who refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of his presidency.

He deserves a second term and Mitt Romney does not deserve to be President.

[RegieRocker]

101. It is what it is. Accept it.

We tend to let go way too quickly and not keep repeating it over and over again. Not addressing the issues and let others dictate for us. Nah. We should not let it go.

[JDPriestly]

109. Ordinary voters don't agree with the following statement?

Robme says stupid shit every other hour, lies like a Persian rug, and says he can't tell you details cuz you won't vote for him and all that disappears cuz the Prez has ONE, yes ONE FUCKIN" bad debate?!?!?!

If people got out on the street and talked to voters, especially Democrats who aren't fanatical Democrats like us DUers, they would learn that the voters hate the fact the Romney is lying.

And they hate the fact that the Republicans caused the economic problems and are trying to blame them on Obama.

People like Obama. Don't worry. We will win this election. Obama will win this election. He will. People really like him. People really trust him. That is what matters.

Most people don't understand the subtleties of the issues. They care about the human aspects. They are middle class, and they know that Romney is not on their side.

Keep working. Keep talking to voters. Keep reminding them that Obama has lots of supporters and get out the vote. That's all we have to do. The debate is unimportant. Obama wasn't that bad. He was just tired. He wasn't bad at all, just tired.

[Overseas]

111. But it is working for the privatized corporate media. It is working for their owners.

Willard gained a few points.

Don't talk about issues and truth.

Talk about his remarkable recovery in the polls. In spite of all the lies. Marketing triumphs again. Shit sandwich won the debate ergo it is a possible winner again!

[The_Counsel]

113. All You Need to Know: Obama 317, Romney 206

That's the current state of affairs as far as the Electoral College goes if the election were today.

And that's with Colorado and Nevada at a flat-footed tie. Romney could carry both and STILL lose, but who really thinks he'll carry both?

Romney will NOT carry Pennsylvania. No matter how much the GOP thinks he can.

Romney will NOT carry Michigan. One-off GOP-leaning polls notwithstanding.

The only home state Romney is all-but guaranteed to carry (of the THREE or so he claims) is Utah. He will NOT carry his home country though (thanks Mr. Carville).

But as been posted up thread, Democrats are helping to push this stupid "comeback" narrative with all the hand-wringing and complaining about the debate--as if the President's performance was truly an earth-shattering disaster (it wasn't).

All we have to do is continue to work to get Mr. Obama re-elected. I mean, this was never going to be easy anyway, right...?

Okay, now I'm sendin' in $25 MORE dollars before I forget...

[newspeak]

121. don't forget our corporate owned media

has their hands in other interests, including defense (or offense). sometimes I think after electing one of their water boys or girls, they all get together and pat each other on the back for influencing a growing apathetic, ignorant populace. I will never forget the bush v gore campaign. serious alleged insider trading by little boots, with his own company, basically got swept under the rug. questions about his expunged driving record and military record, well, most here know how that went. His record as a governor (and federal investigations into his pick for housing and employment) barely mentioned. All we needed to know was that most americans picked him to have a beer with. no mention how he bought the ranch right before he was to campaign. it is the media, with PR, that made his persona into an "ah shucks, I'm just like one of you" kind of character. no mention that there was talk of being a "bully" in school or that he may have been a "mean drunk." and, gore? well, he was a liar. yep, he lied about inventing the internet. at least, that's what the talking heads kept espousing over and over again. and, some of the populace kept regurgitating that lie-"gore is a liar." but, the talking heads LIED about what gore stated, time and time again.

I have no respect for most of the media today. It's just one big propaganda fest. I know what little boots and his ilk did to this country. Yes, I may get on pres. obama for being too right centrist and giving the repugs too much. However, my concern in this election is who will hurt us the most? And, I know mittens with his randian sidekick, will do even more harm to us.

so, those with "selective" memory or none at all, well, they will still be believing the corporate talking heads; but this family won't be buying what their attempting to sell.

[ecstatic]

127. I don't think the hand wringing will truly end until next week,

after Mitt is KO'd at the next debate.