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Hey Worrywarts! Look At This Chart ---> (Original Post) onehandle Oct 2012 OP
. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #1
Is this meant to be a joke? cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #2
No but this is snooper2 Oct 2012 #5
Yes it is! Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2012 #27
Thirty years later, nobody understood why Dietrick missed all his reunions. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #30
LOL! Sure is!! Segami Oct 2012 #33
Oh geez, that is too funny. HeeBGBz Oct 2012 #45
Yes, we all understand that before the debate he was doing well ... GOTV Oct 2012 #3
The election won't be decided on that one debate. Chorophyll Oct 2012 #21
My point is the graph doesn't tell us that things are OK ... GOTV Oct 2012 #52
Based on past debates/elections, it really doesn't matter. Just so you know. CTyankee Oct 2012 #50
Sometimes it does - particularly when the winner is this pronounced GOTV Oct 2012 #51
If you mean Romney, I cannot agree. I was not near to what happened when John CTyankee Oct 2012 #53
we should be concerned, however, we must be aggressive from here on out. /nt still_one Oct 2012 #4
Send a couple of bucks to your local congressional candidates fadedrose Oct 2012 #6
one more debate performance like the last one Beowulf Oct 2012 #7
How can anyone possibly look at that chart and feel good about it? dawg Oct 2012 #8
Shut up! WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #9
It boggles the mind. dawg Oct 2012 #12
I have found myself WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #18
I thought the same as you Will Tippy Oct 2012 #24
Woah, boy......are you in trouble NOW! Glitterati Oct 2012 #25
Have you always been like this? SaveAmerica Oct 2012 #37
After that debate.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #49
Well it wasn't chess, it wasn't great planning nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #46
self justification is so damn tiresome brindis_desala Oct 2012 #34
Hey! Look at this scary chart and feel good LondonReign2 Oct 2012 #10
I don't believe in nationa polls . . . aggiesal Oct 2012 #11
National polls are pretty much useless. LisaL Oct 2012 #15
The benefit is . . . aggiesal Oct 2012 #41
Looks at graph,nods...... Rain Mcloud Oct 2012 #13
It's Close Enough To Steal TahitiNut Oct 2012 #14
That's what I'm afraid of. Mad_Dem_X Oct 2012 #43
Romney adopted a moderate position in the debate mick063 Oct 2012 #16
Worrywarts... davidthegnome Oct 2012 #17
Bingo! BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #19
Um... Hissyspit Oct 2012 #20
It does matter. mgardener Oct 2012 #22
I hate the bullshit polls, gave them up for good! mountain grammy Oct 2012 #23
National polls are meaningless. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #26
While I would Love fredamae Oct 2012 #28
Looks like the voters missed the 12-D checkmate applied by the president Doctor_J Oct 2012 #29
The media strikes again! They are constantly telling us how asjr Oct 2012 #31
Tactics fozzieferocious Oct 2012 #32
Welcome to DU. n/t Laelth Oct 2012 #35
Welcome to DU...I for one look forward to lots of well-reasoned posts PCIntern Oct 2012 #36
Welcome to the DU! littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #42
Nice post ... Welcome to DU!! n/t onecent Oct 2012 #47
Send this to that rascal, Chuck Todd. mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #38
I have full faith Americans will vote for Prez O. I have zero faith all those votes will be counted. valerief Oct 2012 #39
yeah Santa's helpers will be trying to deliver a big present to Willard marions ghost Oct 2012 #40
It's hard to fathom that lexw Oct 2012 #44
Yep. After Rmoney's 'Moderate' pivot, why else would the GOP's extreme base be with him? onehandle Oct 2012 #48

GOTV

(3,759 posts)
3. Yes, we all understand that before the debate he was doing well ...
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 10:50 AM
Oct 2012

... the election is post debate. Just so you know.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
21. The election won't be decided on that one debate.
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:40 AM
Oct 2012

That doesn't mean we should throw a victory party, but you don't have to chomp down on your cyanide capsule either.

GOTV

(3,759 posts)
52. My point is the graph doesn't tell us that things are OK ...
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 04:01 PM
Oct 2012

... as the OP implied. In fact the graph shows a bad trend.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
53. If you mean Romney, I cannot agree. I was not near to what happened when John
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 04:11 PM
Oct 2012

Kerry and GWB debated the first time. Bush was a blithering idiot. Even I was embarrassed for him, that he would be so bad. I remember thinking at the time that it was OBVIOUS that Bush would lose.

I thought Obama was too low-energy and that Mitt was all lit up. Obama has a day job and Mitt is unemployed, so it made a certain amount of sense that Obama could indeed be subdued. But I seriously doubt that Mitt can sustain the attack. He's just too out of touch with any reality but that of his own making. He was giving a performance the other night. He was acting. But I predict he will wilt next week and we'll be back to the status quo ante.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
6. Send a couple of bucks to your local congressional candidates
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 10:56 AM
Oct 2012

It'd give Obama a chance to finish up what he started.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
7. one more debate performance like the last one
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:04 AM
Oct 2012

and the race will close to the point where it can be stolen without raising much attention.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
12. It boggles the mind.
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:24 AM
Oct 2012

I do expect the President to do much better in the remaining debates, and I also expect those trendlines to reverse or to at least stabilize.

But Jeepers Creepers! That chart looks awful. Like when my Georgia Bulldogs are leading 35-0 at the half, only to have the other team score 28 unanswered points in the third quarter. Hard to feel good about that.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
18. I have found myself
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:32 AM
Oct 2012

hesitating to post around here since Wednesday night. It was a strategy. It was chess. He was luring Romney in. Etc.

Like I said that night, the rose-colored glasses salesman is making a mint off DUers.

Tippy

(4,610 posts)
24. I thought the same as you Will
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:50 AM
Oct 2012

There was no explination as to WHY....A few times I saw a tiny smile appear. A twinkle in his eye....And I knew all was going to be alright....I wavered a time or two, got a littly jumpy, but feel Obama knew and knows what he is doing. Even with the new gray hairs....It is Obama all the way....

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
25. Woah, boy......are you in trouble NOW!
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:50 AM
Oct 2012

Didn't you get enough of being called a troll last week?

Going back for seconds?


SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
37. Have you always been like this?
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:47 PM
Oct 2012


I watched the debate and felt that what stood out the most was the pack of lies that was being told by Romney, I was astounded at the level of disregard for the truth. I saw a man who was abrasive, rude, and aggressive. Are lies and bad manners signs of a successful debate? Not in my book. And then I read and heard comments by some who have a voice in print and television and thought how dramatic they were being. Think about it for a minute - what if those who have a voice in the media had focused on those huge lies Romney told and not a 'lackluster' performance?

I will take Mr. Lackluster over Sir Liesalot any day.

I've been away a while and don't remember you being like this. Then again, I must have been looking at you through my Rose-colored glasses.

(And I'm proud of DUers for not riding that loud 'so disappointing' bandwagon, I feel it's why we stand out from Republicans)
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
49. After that debate....
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:37 PM
Oct 2012

Next time you have some pushy asshole cut you off in traffic you should call them a "Romney".

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
46. Well it wasn't chess, it wasn't great planning
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 01:46 PM
Oct 2012

it was following the damn historic trend!



Incumbents almost never 1 out of 7, do well on first debates.

That is not rose colored, that is history.

Why they never do well, one commenter on Current hit nail on head... POTUS are not used to hearing contrary opinions, so they need the smackdown.

brindis_desala

(907 posts)
34. self justification is so damn tiresome
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:27 PM
Oct 2012

I'm sure all the wisdom being spouted here is really helping. I mean what the hell does Obama know about wining elections. pathetic. Except we all get the crow in the morning.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
15. National polls are pretty much useless.
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:26 AM
Oct 2012

Considering one can lose the election but win the popular vote (and vice versa).

aggiesal

(8,916 posts)
41. The benefit is . . .
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 01:02 PM
Oct 2012

of course, that they help get the base out.

But, at the same time, it could discourage the base.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
looks at all the states, and averages out all the polls in that
state to determine where the electoral votes would go.

They've been pretty much accurate since 2004.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
16. Romney adopted a moderate position in the debate
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:28 AM
Oct 2012

This is the only reason he is stronger.

Not from his debate performance, but because he adopted a more moderate position.

Many folks here just don't seem to get that. Romney didn't put up a great debate performance. He alleviated many fears of moderate Republicans and right leaning independents.


The biggest political mistake Romney made was choosing an extremist like Ryan for his running mate.


The best possible campaign strategy for President Obama:

Ryan is one heart beat away from the Presidency.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
17. Worrywarts...
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:31 AM
Oct 2012

I'm looking... still looking... it's still looking far too close for my liking. I just have a hard time imagining how anyone with any common sense could vote for a sneering plutocrat like Mitt Romney.

Yes, he (Obama) will probably be re-elected, but not if we don't go out and vote for him, not if we don't campaign and struggle to move forward. It's still going to take a lot of work - and the potential for abuse of the system, for outright fraud... is very high.

I'll return to my security blanket only after the election is over.

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
19. Bingo!
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

The media does everything in their power to "keep it appearing close" so they don't lose ratings.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
20. Um...
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:39 AM
Oct 2012

I was actually feeling better before looking at that chart.

I still think he has the Electoral College in the bag. Nate Silver makes me feel better. But the election is still a month away.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
22. It does matter.
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 11:42 AM
Oct 2012

Why does 1 debate matter so much?
Is real life a debate? No. Real life is in the doing. You are judged on your words and your actions.
If you lie, it should matter.
If you rip companies to shred and send jobs overseas, it should matter.
When you bully a kid, while you are a kid, it matters.
If you say something and then change your mind repeatedly, it should matter.
If a state where you were Gov., can't stand you, it should matter.
If you loved healthcare so much you passed a bill and then you denigrate the same plan, it should matter.
if you state that 47% of this country is not worthy to be represented by you, it should matter.
If you go to Europe, our allies and speak like a fool, it should matter.
If you are a multimillionaire and have offshore accounts and will not release more then 1 year of income tax filings, it should matter.
That you do not keep your money in the US, that you keep it offshore, should matter.

It matters. lies matter. Telling different facts to different groups of people matters.
This election matters.
Vote

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
26. National polls are meaningless.
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:00 PM
Oct 2012

We don't elect by popular vote.

I would like to see this analysis state-by-state for the 'battleground' states.
And in any case, I'm not going to un-pucker my asshole and relax till the election is over, because given the options, this race is ENTIRELY too close.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
28. While I would Love
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:06 PM
Oct 2012

to simplify the whole campaign into one great chart--No pollster that I know of is taking into account the Impact of Voter Suppression! What do the polls/charts say after those estimated Millions of voters nationally, are removed?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
29. Looks like the voters missed the 12-D checkmate applied by the president
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:11 PM
Oct 2012

last Wednesday. His lead went from 6 pts to 1.6 pts.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
31. The media strikes again! They are constantly telling us how
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:20 PM
Oct 2012

we should feel about anything. They have placed so much of their money-raising efforts on making us feel they know everything. The pundits are on their payrolls and follow through. They feel so superior than the rest of us it show on their faces and their remarks about this debate. Pres. Obama did not fail. He let Romney keep on being a blowhard who didn't even take the time for breathing during his staged performance. And people like Cilliza, Chuck Toad, David Gregory, etc have forked tongues and will say anything or do anything for their own prominence regardless of the truth. It is all a game to them.

fozzieferocious

(22 posts)
32. Tactics
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:24 PM
Oct 2012

First post.......... HI DU.

You know... i felt bewildered watching the debate, but afterwards I started to think there must have been SOME strategy to it. Looking back at Obama's campaign before they were always one step ahead (or more) and always played this game of chess like they were naturals. I think they knew what they were doing... Here's why:

They knew Mitt had to come back to center to go after independents (FLIPFLOP). They knew Mittens had to give a STRONG performance and that he'd probably come across cocky and forceful (smacking down the moderator, I want blood kind of staring). They knew he'd probably come out with stretches, half-truths and lies regarding Obama's record and the current trajectory of the country. Not to mention trying to separate himself from... himself...

Obama didn't go on the attack because they didn't want Mitt on the defensive (YET). They wanted Mitt to come out, be cocky and overly confident and say ANYTHING that came to him. They didn't want him trying to defend his 47% remark (YET - that's an indefensible gimme). They wanted even more ammo to use against him in later debates and ads and THEY GOT IT. Mitt has done nothing but dig a huge hole with even more flipping, flopping, lying, stretching and now they probably have enough ammunition to last until Nov. Watch for several teeth smashing uppercuts to come from the Obama corner SOON.

I half way expect the Biden/Rand debate to go the same way. If it does then I think I'm probably right - or maybe I'm just being hopeful.

Here's to ya.

Fozz

lexw

(804 posts)
44. It's hard to fathom that
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 01:38 PM
Oct 2012

so many voters are okay willing to go back to a Bush-style lying presidency. I think skin color plays a big part in this. This country is sad.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
48. Yep. After Rmoney's 'Moderate' pivot, why else would the GOP's extreme base be with him?
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 02:36 PM
Oct 2012

Black President.

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