My answer to ALL of you who want secession in some form. (And my hair is on fire!)
There was a war fought to keep the country together.
And why on Earth do you want to just ignore the many people who don't deserve such a fate?
And what about those western states and others that are bright red? Giving them a pass? Some of them are home to some of the most virulent militias ever.
Look in your own damn back yard and turn over some rocks. You might be unpleasantly surprised what you find? As I remember, Boston had a time integrating their schools.
In addition, you are hearing the loudest and most ignorant voices here. They are frantic and getting louder because they can read the tea leaves. They are doing everything in their power to entrench themselves. It would be easier to get rid of chiggers all over your body.
So, meh to you, that book, and everyone who wants us gone. We ain't going anywhere. Help those of us who are working in horrible conditions to move forward. I didn't live through the awful '60s and the hard won rights for people in these states to watch everyone shrug and say let them go.
MLK would be ashamed of everyone of you! Find a book of his speeches and writings and try to catch a clue. Read his 'Letter From The Birmingham Jail!' Bobby Kennedy would give a 'Come To Jesus' sermon that would never be forgotten to all who want secession and call themselves progressives or whatever.
Medgar Evers
Schwerner, Chaney, and Goodman
Emmitt Till
And remember these people too. Explain to their relatives why you want us gone.
The 40 Who Fell in the Turbulence Of the U.S. Battles for Civil Rights
A civil rights memorial to be dedicated Sunday includes the names of the 40 people killed in the movement. The list, in chronological sequence, gives the date and circumstances of the person's death as described on the memorial. LEE, the Rev. George, killed May 7, 1955, for leading a voter registration drive in Belzoni, Miss. SMITH, Lamar, 63 years old, slain Aug. 13, 1955, for organizing black voters in Brookhaven, Miss. TILL, Emmett Louis, 14, slain Aug. 28, 1955, for speaking to a white woman in Money, Miss. REESE, John Earl, 16, slain Oct. 22, 1955, by nightriders opposed to black school improvements in Mayflower, Tex. EDWARDS, Willie Jr., killed Jan. 23, 1957, by the Ku Klux Klan in Montgomery, Ala. PARKER, Mack Charles, 23, taken from a jail and lynched April 25, 1959, in Poplarville, Miss. LEE, Herbert, 50, voter registration worker, killed Sept. 25, 1961, by a white legislator in Liberty, Miss. DUCKSWORTH, Roman Jr., taken from bus and killed April 9, 1962, by the police in Taylorsville, Miss. GUIHARD, Paul, a European reporter, killed Sept. 30, 1962, in a riot at University of Mississippi in Oxford, Miss. MOORE, William Lewis, slain April 23, 1963, in a one-man march against segregation in Attalla, Ala. EVERS, Medgar, 28, civil rights leader, assassinated June 12, 1963, in Jackson, Miss. COLLINS, Addie Mae, 14, killed Sept. 15, 1963, in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Ala. MCNAIR, Denise, 11, killed Sept. 15, 1963, in the Birmingham church bombing. ROBERTSON, Carole, 14, killed Sept. 15, 1963, in the church bombing. WESLEY, Cynthia, 14, killed Sept. 15, 1963, in the church bombing. WARE, Virgil Lamar, 13, killed Sept. 15, 1963, in a wave of racist violence in Birmingham, Ala. ALLEN, Louis, witness to the killing of a civil rights worker, assassinated Jan. 31, 1964, in Liberty, Miss. KLUNDER, the Rev. Bruce, killed April 7, 1964, protesting the construction of a segregated school in Cleveland. DEE, Henry Hezekiah, 19, killed May 2, 1964, by the Klan in Meadville, Miss. MOORE, Charles Eddie, 20, killed May 2, 1964, by the Klan in Meadville, Miss. CHANEY, James, 21, civil rights worker, abducted and slain June 21, 1964, by the Klan in Philadelphia, Miss. GOODMAN, Andrew, civil rights worker, abducted and slain June 21, 1964, by the Klan in Philadelphia, Miss. SCHWERNER, Michael, 24, rights worker, abducted and slain June 21, 1964, by the Klan in Philadelphia, Miss. PENN, Lemuel, 48, killed July 11, 1964, by the Klan while driving through Colbert, Ga. JACKSON, Jimmie Lee, civil rights marcher, killed Feb. 26, 1965, by a state trooper in Marion, Ala. REEB, the Rev. James, march volunteer, beaten to death on March 11, 1965 in Selma, Ala. LIUZZO, Viola Gregg, 39, killed March 25, 1965, by the Ku Klux Klan while transporting marchers on a highway near Selma, Ala. MOORE, Oneal, 34, black deputy, killed June 2, 1965, by nightriders in Varnado, La. BREWSTER, Willie Wallace, 38, killed July 18, 1965, by nightriders in Anniston, Ala. DANIELS, Jonathan, 26, seminary student, killed Aug. 20, 1965, by a part-time deputy in Hayneville, Ala. YOUNGE, Samuel Jr., student civil rights worker, killed Jan. 3, 1966, in a dispute over a whites-only restroom in Tuskegee, Ala. DAHMER, Vernon, black community leader, killed Jan. 10, 1966, in a Klan bombing in Hattiesburg, Miss. WHITE, Ben Chester, 67, killed June 10, 1966, by the Klan in Natchez, Miss. TRIGGS, Clarence, slain July 30, 1966, by nightriders in Bogalusa, La. JACKSON, Wharlest, 37, civil rights leader, killed Feb. 27, 1967, after promotion to ''white'' job in Natchez, Miss. BROWN, Benjamin, 22, civil rights worker, killed May 12, 1967, when the police fired on protesters in Jackson, Miss. HAMMOND, Samuel Jr., 18, killed Feb. 8, 1968, when highway patrolmen fired on protesters in Orangeburg, S.C. MIDDLETON, Delano, 17, killed Feb. 8, 1968, in the Orangeburg shootings. SMITH, Henry, student killed Feb. 8, 1968, in the Orangeburg shootings. KING, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther Jr., 39, assassinated April 4, 1968 in Memphis.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/04/us/the-40-who-fell-in-the-turbulence-of-the-us-battles-for-civil-rights.html
MEH!!!!!!!!!!!
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My Wife & I moved from a Big Blue Northern City
to a Dark Red Rural part of The South.
The South is BEAUTIFUL,
and belongs to all of us.
We aren't going back.
Good Luck with you plans for Ethnic Cleansing.
We are going to stay here and turn The South Blue one vote at a time.
"We should have just let the South go, because who needs it?" 
But then I remember Lincoln and his words and that wipes the smile off my face.
have a difficult time scrubbing from my mind
Question: where would the Native Americans fit in???
wanted to leave this joint. I'm southern but have nothing in common with Republicans or right-wingers and definitely not anywhere near like anyone in the Tea Party. I've witnessed their hate and anger and the way they are determined to cause people and the country harm.
I've wanted to move to a bigger city in the south with like-minded, non-hateful, people but stayed so I could make a difference in a red area (and that decision was good, check out NC 2008). Lately I've wanted to leave the south completely because the stupid and hate has ramped up with permission from people in the 'news' and the haters holding each other up as valid. Then I ask myself, do I want to give up so much treasure that is the south to those haters? Can you imagine what this place would be like if we gave it up to people who have no idea what their actions can do to the natural beauty and resources here?
THIS IS MY SOUTH TOO!
We are good the way we are and we have to acknowledge that people are either negative or positive, that's how we're made up. We have places in the US that are majority Republican with a dot of Dems and places that are majority Dem with scattered Republican. At this time in history the Tea Party haters feel that they can be vocal, we have to show that they can't and stand up to their lies to get them back to 'normal hate levels'.
In the United States there are always going to be haters and there are always going to be lovers, at the end of the day it comes down to how we accept and work with each other.
Southern states to start organizing their state militias ahead of formal secession. So the pro-Southern generals had something of a structure into which to step when secesssion occurred.
Neil Sheehan persuasively documents that the National Liberation Front was mostly armed (per-1965) through weapons it captured from puppet forces or purchased from corrupt supply officials in the puppet regime. I've often wondered where the irregulars in Iraq and Afghanistan got their weapons. I suspect the Afghan and Iraqi resistance movements have likewise armed themselves through black market acquisitions and captures from puppet forces. But that is merely a suspicion on my part.
Since Mississippi receives $2.47 in federal funds for every $1 it pays in taxes and Alabama receives $2.03 in federal funds for every $1 it recieves, I highly doubt we'll see any secessionist movement.
Small correction: think you mean "Iraq" and not "Iran"
