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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:25 PM Oct 2012

NEW BK: The Bush administration had a nervous breakdown after 9/11.

After Bush told Jacques Chirac that biblical prophecies were being
fulfilled and specifically that “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle
East,” the French president decided, in Eichenwald’s words, that
“France was not going to fight a war based on an American president’s
interpretation of the Bible.”



The book is by Vanity Fair contributing editor and former New York Times reporter Kurt Eichenwald.
It maintains that [font color=red]the Bush administration had a nervous breakdown after 9/11.[/font]



Fear Factor
‘500 Days,’ by Kurt Eichenwald

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.............the Bush administration, and especially its lawyers, suffered a protracted nervous breakdown during that time. In that respect, it is an ambitious undertaking and a valuable resource.


Kurt Eichenwald, a contributing editor at Vanity Fair and a former reporter for The New York Times, makes his methodical case against the Bush administration with detailed examples rather than flat assertions. [font color=red]With each piece of evidence, it becomes clearer that in late 2001 and in 2002, President Bush and Vice President Cheney had begun panicking. Mistaking rumors and lies fabricated by victims of torture as actionable information and elbowing aside skeptics, they gave rein to their fears that the worst was yet to come — and their hysteria spread to and infected parts of the national security ­establishment.[/font]

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The assistant attorney general John Yoo comes across as particularly determined in his wrongheadedness, and full of passionate intensity. Furious over a federal judge’s decision to uphold habeas corpus rights for a detainee held on American soil, he snapped to colleagues, “I don’t think this one guy, this one judge, this outlier should, because of the luck of the draw, be allowed to dictate how American detention policies can work.”

…Bush said in his first State of the Union address that American soldiers had apprehended people in Bosnia who were plotting to bomb the American Embassy there. As Eichenwald shows, this was untrue. No evidence supporting that charge was ever found, and five of the six men were set free after being held for seven years, their detention ruled illegal by a federal judge…

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MORE:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/books/review/500-days-by-kurt-eichenwald.html

[font color=red]and Romney would mean more of this, Bolton probably at Defense, Dick & Lynn, et al with a list of staff...........just like last time and the time before........[/font]
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NEW BK: The Bush administration had a nervous breakdown after 9/11. (Original Post) kpete Oct 2012 OP
more: kpete Oct 2012 #1
Something freaky dicky did happen after he visited the Pope. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #2
I remember something like that too. glinda Oct 2012 #5
That was fun. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #7
Religion should be forced to take a time out. Innocent people are suffering their freakout. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2012 #10
Weirdness at the popes funeral. peace13 Oct 2012 #9
is this an argument for an insanity defense? grasswire Oct 2012 #3
Agreed, somebody must be getting nervous about prosecution... rwsanders Oct 2012 #8
Right, I don't buy it for a moment. zeemike Oct 2012 #14
Mitt Romney's Neocon War Cabinet pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #4
Of course they did. These people were blindsided by 911 rustydog Oct 2012 #6
although it serves as a backhanded defense... mcdornan1 Oct 2012 #11
welcome to DU niyad Oct 2012 #15
Apologetics. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #12
News? To whom? DemoTex Oct 2012 #13
Which leaves the burning question: pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #16
Is somebody Unknown Beatle Oct 2012 #17
Has there been a discussion about this book here? Is it reputable? SaveAmerica Oct 2012 #18

kpete

(71,994 posts)
1. more:
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:30 PM
Oct 2012
The sheer incompetence of the interrogators of supposed terrorists comes as a genuine surprise. The C.I.A. seemed to know little about how to actually question people, and began taking advice from an uninformed, inexperienced psychologist whom Eichenwald labels “a fool.” At Guantánamo, the advice of law enforcement specialists was put aside, and interrogations slipped from unprofessional to brutal to illegal. “Rather than acknowledging defeat, the intelligence officers wanted to double down on a failed approach,” Eichenwald writes. “Harsh interrogations would work, they were arguing, if only they were harsher.” F.B.I. agents on the scene, witnessing this descent, discussed whether they would be obliged to arrest the interrogators rather than let them continue down this savage path.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/books/review/500-days-by-kurt-eichenwald.html

Baitball Blogger

(46,720 posts)
2. Something freaky dicky did happen after he visited the Pope.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:50 PM
Oct 2012

I think there was an article where the ailing Pope though W was the anti-christ and wished he was healthier so he could fight him.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
9. Weirdness at the popes funeral.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 11:54 PM
Oct 2012

* kissed pickles on the lips at the funeral and then gave an odd smile. She was the only one wearing dark glasses in the crowd. Pappy Bush, mommy and all of the gang were seated right their too. It was like a scene in a movie!

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
3. is this an argument for an insanity defense?
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:55 PM
Oct 2012

Is "nervous breakdown" more likely than the fact that much of this was planned and facilitated by PNAC?

rwsanders

(2,605 posts)
8. Agreed, somebody must be getting nervous about prosecution...
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 11:37 PM
Oct 2012

Funny how the folks that brought us the Iraq war still want to ship jobs overseas and destroy the middle class. Heck as long as we have a strong economy, like it or not, we'll have a powerful military. Lose either of those and they're up for grabs and headed for trial.
So you'd think self preservation would kick in.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
14. Right, I don't buy it for a moment.
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:19 AM
Oct 2012

I don't think there is a religious bone in Cheney's body...or Bush's ether for that matter....it sounds like a cover for their actions....they were just trying to keep us safe from Gog and Magog...PNAC had this planed for years.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
4. Mitt Romney's Neocon War Cabinet
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 10:03 PM
Oct 2012

Excerpt from Ari Berman's article in The Nation in May:

.... Of Romney's forty identified foreign policy advisers, more than 70 percent worked for Bush. Many hail from the neoconservative wing of the party, were enthusiastic backers of the Iraq War and are proponents of a US or Israeli attack on Iran. Christopher Preble, a foreign policy expert at the Cato Institute, says, "Romney's likely to be in the mold of George W. Bush when it comes to foreign policy if he were elected." On some key issues, like Iran, Romney and his team are to the right of Bush. Romney's embrace of the neoconservative cause -- even if done cynically to woo the right -- could turn into a policy nightmare if he becomes president.

If we take the candidate at his word, a Romney presidency would move toward war against Iran; closely align Washington with the Israeli right; leave troops in Afghanistan at least until 2014 and refuse to negotiate with the Taliban; reset the Obama administration's "reset" with Russia; and pursue a Reagan-like military buildup at home. The Washington Monthly dubbed Romney's foreign policy vision the "more enemies, fewer friends" doctrine, which is chillingly reminiscent of the world Obama inherited from Bush.

http://www.thenation.com/article/167683/mitt-romneys-neocon-war-cabinet



rustydog

(9,186 posts)
6. Of course they did. These people were blindsided by 911
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 11:00 PM
Oct 2012

Bush put in political cronies, not professionals.
they let people die in Katrina and her aftermath
they said nothing and did NOTHING about terrorism except dueing election cycles.
These people from Prez down to lowest cabinet post were unfit for office and the Nation paid dearly for it.

mcdornan1

(16 posts)
11. although it serves as a backhanded defense...
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:06 AM
Oct 2012

of the Bushies. If they all fell apart in terror, then they couldn't have had any preknowledge of the attack.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
12. Apologetics.
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:11 AM
Oct 2012

It was the most thrilling enabling event that they could have possibly imagined, and they seized on it with every tentacle. This, of course, is why they imagined it in the first place, as reading between Eichenwald's lines makes pretty clear.

DemoTex

(25,397 posts)
13. News? To whom?
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:14 AM
Oct 2012

I was just explaining today - in a bar in Bend (granted) - that whole Iraq clusterfuck.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
17. Is somebody
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 01:00 AM
Oct 2012

trying to muddy the waters. Too many books and articles post 9/11 claiming the truth when a lot of them contradict each other. Propaganda to confuse the populous? Too many questions about 9/11 and a trickle of answers. I'm still not convinced about the pre/post 9/11 official explanation.

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
18. Has there been a discussion about this book here? Is it reputable?
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 01:52 AM
Oct 2012

Someone I know is reading it and I'm going to take a look next. Is this the book we've always wanted, the one that let's it all hang out? Exposes everything they did in one neat package?

I've always wanted Octafish to write a book about the BFEE, is that what I'll find in this book?

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