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Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:53 AM Oct 2012

A Win? ( Nance Greggs article)

BY NANCEGREGGS, ON OCTOBER 4TH, 2012
http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2012/10/04/a-win/

MUCH More at link. I'm trying to edit it down more but it keeps timing out...


"...What I saw last night was a President who had prepared for an honest debate on the issues. But there was no debate. One cannot debate lies and misrepresentations. One can’t argue about whose plans for the country are more sound, when their opponent is simply pulling “facts” out of their own ass.

Most importantly, no serious politician should be expected to score points based on whose lies are better told than his opponent’s.

But that’s exactly what Obama was expected to do, to counter non-facts presented as though they were the truth, to take seriously a man who changed his former positions and proffered them as long-held policies. And the MSM was more than anxious to hang the Winner’s Wreath around the neck of the man who, in their estimation, lied like a true champ.

What I took away from last night’s performance was a renewed admiration for a man who honors his position by keeping it uppermost in his mind, and conducting himself accordingly. Despite being continually baited into the mud pit, Obama was steadfast in his refusal to get just as dirty as his opponent. He stuck to the truth and the facts – apparently to the dismay of those who thought, even momentarily, that a good roll in the shit was called for...

Needless to say, the Mitt adorers know no more today than they did yesterday about how he intends to accomplish all he has repeatedly promised. No specifics, no numbers, no details – just the same old/same old “elect me first, and then we’ll discuss it” obfuscation that a well-practiced flim-flam man extols before the satisfaction guaranteed or your money happily refunded label falls off the bottle of cat piss he’s passed off as a cure-all for all that ails a troubled populace.

I’ve seen a lot of Where was Obama? comments today. I can’t help but wonder where those who pose the question have been for the past four years. Well, he was right there, not acting presidential, but being presidential – the very personification of a man who, by virtue of his own principles and those rightly attributable to the office he holds, was not about to engage in a game of I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I. He instead engaged his real audience, the voters interested in the truth rather than the bullshit being tossed around on stage by an idiot too politically ambitious to be honest, and too self-absorbed to believe that something as expendable as the truth should stand in his way...

When you’re running for the highest office in the land, the most powerful position on the face of the earth, and what sticks with the voters is your War on Sesame Street, you’ve got to figure that your grand-slam debate performance was nothing more than a flash in Oscar’s garbage can – only far less important in the great scheme of things.

And so it was.

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A Win? ( Nance Greggs article) (Original Post) Lucinda Oct 2012 OP
Still cant edit...but it's all wonderful...and I'm kicking it Lucinda Oct 2012 #1
K&R - Nance is THE BEST! I miss her here. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #2
Bravo, Nance. Misskittycat Oct 2012 #3
There are two big Nance threads tonight. longship Oct 2012 #4
My favorite post of the day Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #5
Now I've got the song in my head. Lucinda Oct 2012 #9
ABSOLUTELY on point, BRAVO to Raine Oct 2012 #6
works for me. that is how i see it. every time i heard, mitt won, i asked.... with all lies? seabeyond Oct 2012 #7
K&R Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #8
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2012 #10
YVW. Thanks for the kick. Lucinda Oct 2012 #11
That was so excellent and so on point. Whisp Oct 2012 #12
I left a lot of good bits out too. Lucinda Oct 2012 #18
k&r... spanone Oct 2012 #13
I was kind of taken aback to come on DU and find all the hand wringing treestar Oct 2012 #14
I do understand that people wanted the POTUS to be more assertive Lucinda Oct 2012 #17
Rmoney doesn't even inspire much enthusiasm in the Rs treestar Oct 2012 #19
Twitter hit on it immediately Lucinda Oct 2012 #21
K&R Mad_Dem_X Oct 2012 #15
K&R aikoaiko Oct 2012 #16
Bigtime K&R Bozita Oct 2012 #20

Misskittycat

(1,916 posts)
3. Bravo, Nance.
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:50 AM
Oct 2012

How is it possible that an arrogant, obnoxious, lying pig can be declared a winner by all the Very Serious People on TV? And, by the way, I didn't see a "strong" performance. I saw Romney being insecure and nervous -- interrupted by bouts of mendacious bluster.

Were they all watching a different debate than I? Seriously, if I hear one more Very Serious Journalist/Pundit tell me that Mitt Romney scored a home run last night, I'm going to throw something through the TV screen.

longship

(40,416 posts)
4. There are two big Nance threads tonight.
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:17 AM
Oct 2012

Either choose one or support them both.

Nance needs to be heard. We all miss her. So support all the Nance Greggs posts. That way we don't miss promoting our former DU icon.

We miss you Nance!

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
5. My favorite post of the day
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:17 AM
Oct 2012

Thank you.
Now I've got the song "If you don't know me by now" in my head. Applies to both candidates, I think...

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
7. works for me. that is how i see it. every time i heard, mitt won, i asked.... with all lies?
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:42 AM
Oct 2012

how is that a win? why is that a win?

and every person back down and said

ya, there is that.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
8. K&R
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 08:37 AM
Oct 2012

Very well said. The sidelines influenced the story too much in this event. Real opinion wasn't nearly so extreme.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
12. That was so excellent and so on point.
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:25 PM
Oct 2012

I wish I read this a couple days ago and I wish a lot of others had read this a couple days ago too, for different reasons.

Onwards and upwards.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
18. I left a lot of good bits out too.
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:01 PM
Oct 2012

I hope people read the whole piece. I do understand why some people felt differently, but Nance said exactly what I had been thinking.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
14. I was kind of taken aback to come on DU and find all the hand wringing
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:31 PM
Oct 2012

Obama was as he always was and Mittens was a hyped up smirking freak. Flip flopping as usual. What are people's judgments on who "wins" based on if they thought Mitt won?

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
17. I do understand that people wanted the POTUS to be more assertive
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:47 PM
Oct 2012

but I didn't see it that way at all. People don't change their votes because of a debate, and it's always best to just be yourself.

I didn't see anything that Romney did as being a positive for the viewers. And I knew he'd be in trouble after the big bird comment. It was on the road to going viral the minute the sentence left his mouth.

The only Rep that I know that has even mentioned the debates likes Romney even less now. Most of them are dead quiet about the debate in my red little corner of the world.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
19. Rmoney doesn't even inspire much enthusiasm in the Rs
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:07 PM
Oct 2012

And the Big Bird comment is going to eventually be seen as a gaffe.

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