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BY NANCEGREGGS, ON OCTOBER 4TH, 2012
http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2012/10/04/a-win/
MUCH More at link. I'm trying to edit it down more but it keeps timing out...
"...What I saw last night was a President who had prepared for an honest debate on the issues. But there was no debate. One cannot debate lies and misrepresentations. One cant argue about whose plans for the country are more sound, when their opponent is simply pulling facts out of their own ass.
Most importantly, no serious politician should be expected to score points based on whose lies are better told than his opponents.
But thats exactly what Obama was expected to do, to counter non-facts presented as though they were the truth, to take seriously a man who changed his former positions and proffered them as long-held policies. And the MSM was more than anxious to hang the Winners Wreath around the neck of the man who, in their estimation, lied like a true champ.
What I took away from last nights performance was a renewed admiration for a man who honors his position by keeping it uppermost in his mind, and conducting himself accordingly. Despite being continually baited into the mud pit, Obama was steadfast in his refusal to get just as dirty as his opponent. He stuck to the truth and the facts apparently to the dismay of those who thought, even momentarily, that a good roll in the shit was called for...
Needless to say, the Mitt adorers know no more today than they did yesterday about how he intends to accomplish all he has repeatedly promised. No specifics, no numbers, no details just the same old/same old elect me first, and then well discuss it obfuscation that a well-practiced flim-flam man extols before the satisfaction guaranteed or your money happily refunded label falls off the bottle of cat piss hes passed off as a cure-all for all that ails a troubled populace.
Ive seen a lot of Where was Obama? comments today. I cant help but wonder where those who pose the question have been for the past four years. Well, he was right there, not acting presidential, but being presidential the very personification of a man who, by virtue of his own principles and those rightly attributable to the office he holds, was not about to engage in a game of I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I. He instead engaged his real audience, the voters interested in the truth rather than the bullshit being tossed around on stage by an idiot too politically ambitious to be honest, and too self-absorbed to believe that something as expendable as the truth should stand in his way...
When youre running for the highest office in the land, the most powerful position on the face of the earth, and what sticks with the voters is your War on Sesame Street, youve got to figure that your grand-slam debate performance was nothing more than a flash in Oscars garbage can only far less important in the great scheme of things.
And so it was.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)and going to bed.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Misskittycat
(1,916 posts)How is it possible that an arrogant, obnoxious, lying pig can be declared a winner by all the Very Serious People on TV? And, by the way, I didn't see a "strong" performance. I saw Romney being insecure and nervous -- interrupted by bouts of mendacious bluster.
Were they all watching a different debate than I? Seriously, if I hear one more Very Serious Journalist/Pundit tell me that Mitt Romney scored a home run last night, I'm going to throw something through the TV screen.
longship
(40,416 posts)Either choose one or support them both.
Nance needs to be heard. We all miss her. So support all the Nance Greggs posts. That way we don't miss promoting our former DU icon.
We miss you Nance!
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)Thank you.
Now I've got the song "If you don't know me by now" in my head. Applies to both candidates, I think...
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)Nance!!!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)how is that a win? why is that a win?
and every person back down and said
ya, there is that.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Very well said. The sidelines influenced the story too much in this event. Real opinion wasn't nearly so extreme.
Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)Thanks for the thread, Lucinda.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)I wish I read this a couple days ago and I wish a lot of others had read this a couple days ago too, for different reasons.
Onwards and upwards.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)I hope people read the whole piece. I do understand why some people felt differently, but Nance said exactly what I had been thinking.
spanone
(135,866 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Obama was as he always was and Mittens was a hyped up smirking freak. Flip flopping as usual. What are people's judgments on who "wins" based on if they thought Mitt won?
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)but I didn't see it that way at all. People don't change their votes because of a debate, and it's always best to just be yourself.
I didn't see anything that Romney did as being a positive for the viewers. And I knew he'd be in trouble after the big bird comment. It was on the road to going viral the minute the sentence left his mouth.
The only Rep that I know that has even mentioned the debates likes Romney even less now. Most of them are dead quiet about the debate in my red little corner of the world.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And the Big Bird comment is going to eventually be seen as a gaffe.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)BigBird was biting back by the time he got to the next sentence.
I miss Nance.
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Kudos for using "Ronnie, the Bren Gun Girl".