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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen people say "If we hadn't voted in overwhelming numbers, democracy would have died," remember
People voting in overwhelming numbers IS democracy ...
That's how it's supposed to work. And it did.
AnnaLee
(1,041 posts)Does Kamala become President? If not, what about the period between Jan 6 and Jan20?
Glorfindel
(9,736 posts)might be unable to take office? And why refer to Vice President-Elect Harris by her first name?
gab13by13
(21,405 posts)I saw the same thing posted on my local right wing web site. There is a notion going around that VP elect Harris is going to really take over for Biden at some early stage. Don't know where that originated from though.
treestar
(82,383 posts)This whole thing is a scheme to get commie Harris into the Oval Office!
I just asked a question with all the violence going on. And I didn't know I couldn't say Kamala. I won't do that again.
Does my question have an answer?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)AnnaLee
(1,041 posts)Sorry, I tried to participate.
marie999
(3,334 posts)AnnaLee
(1,041 posts)Thanks for answering my question. My paranoid side is relieved.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)7 million baby!
gab13by13
(21,405 posts)but I think you are missing the point. The point being that id Biden got just 1 vote more than Trump in every state that he won he should be president, that is democracy. I'm not so sure Biden would be president under that scenario.
Call me paranoid, that's fine, but until we do a better job of making our voting machines transparent and randomly audited, I won't have faith in them. I voted by mail for the first time in Pa. because I had been voting into a black hole with no paper trail. We don't even know who owns the machines we vote on. Exit polling is a good tell if elections were legit, and we have had too many cases where exit polling didn't jive with the actual results.
Voter suppression is still a huge problem. Pulling thousands of people off the rolls, limiting polling places in Democratic districts, limiting drop boxes in Democratic districts are big problems.
My point is that we shouldn't have to win overwhelmingly, we should only have to win by 1 vote and we aren't anywhere close to that situation yet.
Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)This only worked because it wasn't a close election. If this had been close, the Republicans would have fully went along with stealing it for Trump. If say it had been 279 to 259, there is zero doubt the GOP leadership would have fully stole it for Trump.
The system is broken, this win doesn't change that. Joe won by over 7 million votes and yet 60,000 votes flip in a few key states and he would have lost. And beyond the pathetic EC system, the GOP is a rogue party right now who will not accept the results of our elections.
Freddie
(9,275 posts)The system held ONLY because the election wasnt close. Next time it may not.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)If Biden had gotten just one more vote more than Trump, the scenario would have been very different, the responses would have been different and we have no idea how it would actually have played out.
That said, our system isn't straight up mathematical equation in which "2 is more than. 1 and therefore 2 must always prevail." (It isn't even actually a democracy ...) We have all sorts of mechanisms in place to leverage, adjust, and make up for deficits, problems, disrupters, etc. in order to try the achieve outcomes that fairly reflect the public will. In this instance, the people realized, in order to do that, we had to vote in overwhelming numbers. And that's what we did. The fact that it took an overwhelming vote to get to our goal isn't in my view, a sign that our system doesn't work. It is proof that our system DOES work.
And while some did everything they could to thwart that, most of them used legal means to do it - the courts - and those courts stopped them. And it appears that, for all of their bitching, moaning, and threats, they are actually following the court's edicts and aren't going to resort to extra-judicial, illegal measures to overturn the election.
I say all this with the understanding that we're not actually a democracy but often refer to ourselves as such. When I say "democracy," I'm really referring to it in a very broad sense, not the specific definition.
gab13by13
(21,405 posts)I refer to our government as a democratic Constitutional Republic, leaving out the word democratic is a mistake.
JI7
(89,269 posts)SC case to try to give the election to Trump.
THIS is why it's always important to vote.
The reality is there are a large number of racist people in this country who WANT to vote for people who want to take away the right to vote from certain groups of people.
What those Republicans did is why those voters in their districts and states support them.
This is why it's important to vote every time .
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)gab13by13
(21,405 posts)One person - one vote is the issue. If some people have to wait in line to vote for 8 hours while people in the other party do not, that is not a free and fair election.
Just wait, I will bet you a dozen Titleist ProV1 golf balls that Michigan, Pa., Wisconsin, and Georgia, all try to restrict mail in voting for future elections. I firmly believe that one big reason we won was because we got to vote by mail in paper ballots, people didn't have to stand in line for 8 hours, we got more people to vote. It is harder to cheat with paper ballots IMO. Republicans know they lost because of mail in ballots, look for Republican controlled states to restrict mail in voting.
JI7
(89,269 posts)We have to change the system but many don't want to change it and in fact make it worse.
Gothmog
(145,563 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Democracy is fragile. It always has been.