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When people say "If we hadn't voted in overwhelming numbers, democracy would have died," remember (Original Post) StarfishSaver Dec 2020 OP
What happens on Jan 20 if Biden is unable to take office? AnnaLee Dec 2020 #1
Do you have a reason for thinking President-Elect Biden Glorfindel Dec 2020 #3
Ah, I think I know, gab13by13 Dec 2020 #6
Yes, it usually involves Pelosi and the 25th Amendment treestar Dec 2020 #18
Huh? AnnaLee Dec 2020 #8
Why do you ask? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #4
Popped in my mind and went to my keyboard. AnnaLee Dec 2020 #9
20th Amendment, vice-President elect Harris becomes the President on Jan. 20, 2021. marie999 Dec 2020 #20
Thank you. AnnaLee Dec 2020 #21
That is correct, Democracy won! . . Iliyah Dec 2020 #2
I like your posts, gab13by13 Dec 2020 #5
+1000 Johnny2X2X Dec 2020 #7
Exactly Freddie Dec 2020 #10
You don't know that StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #12
I always make sure, gab13by13 Dec 2020 #14
Democracy includes people who vote for those Republicans who signed on to the bs JI7 Dec 2020 #11
Exactly StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #13
Of course, but that's not the point. gab13by13 Dec 2020 #15
My exact point was that they try to take away right to vote from certain groups JI7 Dec 2020 #16
We're now one election away in this country from losing our democracy Gothmog Dec 2020 #17
We're always one election away from losing our democracy StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #19

AnnaLee

(1,041 posts)
1. What happens on Jan 20 if Biden is unable to take office?
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM
Dec 2020

Does Kamala become President? If not, what about the period between Jan 6 and Jan20?

Glorfindel

(9,736 posts)
3. Do you have a reason for thinking President-Elect Biden
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 10:15 AM
Dec 2020

might be unable to take office? And why refer to Vice President-Elect Harris by her first name?

gab13by13

(21,405 posts)
6. Ah, I think I know,
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 10:21 AM
Dec 2020

I saw the same thing posted on my local right wing web site. There is a notion going around that VP elect Harris is going to really take over for Biden at some early stage. Don't know where that originated from though.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. Yes, it usually involves Pelosi and the 25th Amendment
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 12:32 PM
Dec 2020

This whole thing is a scheme to get commie Harris into the Oval Office!

AnnaLee

(1,041 posts)
8. Huh?
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 10:24 AM
Dec 2020

I just asked a question with all the violence going on. And I didn't know I couldn't say Kamala. I won't do that again.

Does my question have an answer?

gab13by13

(21,405 posts)
5. I like your posts,
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 10:18 AM
Dec 2020

but I think you are missing the point. The point being that id Biden got just 1 vote more than Trump in every state that he won he should be president, that is democracy. I'm not so sure Biden would be president under that scenario.

Call me paranoid, that's fine, but until we do a better job of making our voting machines transparent and randomly audited, I won't have faith in them. I voted by mail for the first time in Pa. because I had been voting into a black hole with no paper trail. We don't even know who owns the machines we vote on. Exit polling is a good tell if elections were legit, and we have had too many cases where exit polling didn't jive with the actual results.

Voter suppression is still a huge problem. Pulling thousands of people off the rolls, limiting polling places in Democratic districts, limiting drop boxes in Democratic districts are big problems.

My point is that we shouldn't have to win overwhelmingly, we should only have to win by 1 vote and we aren't anywhere close to that situation yet.

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
7. +1000
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 10:23 AM
Dec 2020

This only worked because it wasn't a close election. If this had been close, the Republicans would have fully went along with stealing it for Trump. If say it had been 279 to 259, there is zero doubt the GOP leadership would have fully stole it for Trump.

The system is broken, this win doesn't change that. Joe won by over 7 million votes and yet 60,000 votes flip in a few key states and he would have lost. And beyond the pathetic EC system, the GOP is a rogue party right now who will not accept the results of our elections.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
12. You don't know that
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 10:38 AM
Dec 2020

If Biden had gotten just one more vote more than Trump, the scenario would have been very different, the responses would have been different and we have no idea how it would actually have played out.

That said, our system isn't straight up mathematical equation in which "2 is more than. 1 and therefore 2 must always prevail." (It isn't even actually a democracy ...) We have all sorts of mechanisms in place to leverage, adjust, and make up for deficits, problems, disrupters, etc. in order to try the achieve outcomes that fairly reflect the public will. In this instance, the people realized, in order to do that, we had to vote in overwhelming numbers. And that's what we did. The fact that it took an overwhelming vote to get to our goal isn't in my view, a sign that our system doesn't work. It is proof that our system DOES work.

And while some did everything they could to thwart that, most of them used legal means to do it - the courts - and those courts stopped them. And it appears that, for all of their bitching, moaning, and threats, they are actually following the court's edicts and aren't going to resort to extra-judicial, illegal measures to overturn the election.

I say all this with the understanding that we're not actually a democracy but often refer to ourselves as such. When I say "democracy," I'm really referring to it in a very broad sense, not the specific definition.

gab13by13

(21,405 posts)
14. I always make sure,
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 10:59 AM
Dec 2020

I refer to our government as a democratic Constitutional Republic, leaving out the word democratic is a mistake.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
11. Democracy includes people who vote for those Republicans who signed on to the bs
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 10:30 AM
Dec 2020

SC case to try to give the election to Trump.

THIS is why it's always important to vote.

The reality is there are a large number of racist people in this country who WANT to vote for people who want to take away the right to vote from certain groups of people.

What those Republicans did is why those voters in their districts and states support them.

This is why it's important to vote every time .

gab13by13

(21,405 posts)
15. Of course, but that's not the point.
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 11:07 AM
Dec 2020

One person - one vote is the issue. If some people have to wait in line to vote for 8 hours while people in the other party do not, that is not a free and fair election.

Just wait, I will bet you a dozen Titleist ProV1 golf balls that Michigan, Pa., Wisconsin, and Georgia, all try to restrict mail in voting for future elections. I firmly believe that one big reason we won was because we got to vote by mail in paper ballots, people didn't have to stand in line for 8 hours, we got more people to vote. It is harder to cheat with paper ballots IMO. Republicans know they lost because of mail in ballots, look for Republican controlled states to restrict mail in voting.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
16. My exact point was that they try to take away right to vote from certain groups
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 11:09 AM
Dec 2020

We have to change the system but many don't want to change it and in fact make it worse.

Gothmog

(145,563 posts)
17. We're now one election away in this country from losing our democracy
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 12:22 PM
Dec 2020

This was a close call. trump tried a coup and failed.


 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
19. We're always one election away from losing our democracy
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 01:51 PM
Dec 2020

Democracy is fragile. It always has been.

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