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from James Downie (Opinions Editor-Producer at the Washington Post) :
. . . the presidents supporters would be wrong to wring their hands. Fundamentally, Obamas loss will not matter. At most, Wednesday night was a case of too little, too late for Romney. Yes, the polls will probably move a point or two in Romneys direction after the first debate. But all the evidence suggests that for Romney, whether or not you believe he should be president, closing the gap and beating Obama is a bridge too far . . .
. . . If Romney would have to pull off a miracle to close the gap in national polling, he has no shot at matching the president in the electoral college. As mentioned above, forecasters commonly predict that Obama already has a big lead of safe and leaning states. If we assume Romney will improve in the polls, there would be around nine swing states: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin. Theres one problem here for Romney: He is trailing, and has been consistently trailing, in all but two North Carolina, where hes held a small lead, and Florida, this elections closest thing to a 50-50 state. Romney doesnt need to win two out of those nine; in almost every scenario, he will need six or seven out of those nine to win, including at least two or three states where he is behind by several points more than he is nationally.
All of which brings me to the final point: Given the state of the race before last nights debate, even most Romney backers would agree that a Romney victory would require a flawless campaign the rest of the way from Romney and a blunder or two from Obama. After six years of both these men running for and/or being president of the United States, is there really anyone out there who thinks Mitt Romney can go a month without making a single mistake? Who thinks Barack Obama, who has been playing it safe for at least several months now, will suddenly make a reckless error, as opposed to a merely lackluster performance . . .?
Seriously, does anyone believe that?
The fact is that, come October, presidential elections cannot permanently change course over a few days or hours (unlike, say, media narratives). The majority of voters have already made their decision, and the debates wont provide enough of a boost to alter the contests trajectory. Sadly for Romney, the path the race is stuck on ends with his defeat.
read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/obama-lost-the-first-debate-but-he-will-still-win-the-election/2012/10/04/9c3b7eb8-0deb-11e2-bd1a-b868e65d57eb_blog.html
Greg Sargent ?@ThePlumLineGS
. . . you MUST follow this guy right now: MT @jamescdownie: Despite debate, Obama still a lock for reelection: http://wapo.st/T54uUm
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)I think this guy is completely correct. Romney has already lost.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)If Romney doesn't get the rest of you pissed of with last night's performance, nothing will.
GOTV!
porphyrian
(18,530 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)19 states?
Does this mean they plan to cheat?
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Thanks, bigtree, for posting this.
fugop
(1,828 posts)I'm so sick of the doom and gloom. A good read!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)scream fit, which was what happened the other night. Total over the top tantrum with no thought as to context or historical significance of that darned debate. It was worthy of any fit a bunch of Teabaggers could throw.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Voicing disappointment in watching a debate where our great orator, professorial Barack Obama comes out tongue tied and unresponsive is not criticism.
It wasn't a "scream fit" at all.
The difference on DU between other circumstances is that you had a large number of folks on the side of disappointment.
Usually, around here, the DU Troll Hunters and militant Obama supporters can shout down, accuse, ban, and demean the few dissenters. Last night you couldn't. There were just too many for you to handle.
You can't brow beat or bully people to agree with you, especially when the numbers are large.
And, your little "Teabagger" comment above is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Basically, what you are saying is "You have a different opinion than mine? Yeah, right winger." Not THAT'S Teabagging.
Just watch what Teabaggers do when Bill Kristol points out that Romney is an idiot. It looked a lot like that here last night.
Good Lord, people were calling Will Pitt a troll!!!!!
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)There are people who have shown up here just to dump for the sake of dumping since the day of the 2008 election. No matter what circumstances, what was ACTUALLY happening in Washington in Congress, what was realistic, who the players were and what kind of money was arrayed against any action. There has been a collective tantrum for nearly 4 years now. It gets old fast because is it is counter productive.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Making DU useless for those of us trying to change minds and votes.
DU used to be a place where I could send voters to get FACTS. Not anymore. Because the FACTS are hidden in Troll Hunting, bans, and flat out demeaning of people who happen to disagree with you.
What's happening HERE is what is counter productive. One can't dare to disagree with the majority. You are so damned determined to ban FREEPERS everyone becomes a freeper.
Careful! There's a freeper over there! Go get him! Hurry!
PATRICK
(12,228 posts)Pro Romney media commentators with the GOP performance that usually is presented as winning. Lies and bluff.
Mondale "beating up" on Reagan with the substabtive victory of substance and competence. So unmistakable he had to given the win because Reagan showed 'weakness". Sounds familiar and also big media dollars were also at stake should the Dems take a dive too soon.
Results. the polls moved nowhere for Mondale. So bad in fact he literally could not seem to get it up for the hopeless debate number two where Reagan had only to show "strength" not competence or substance.
Now the "result" this time is under different parameters. The GOP really depends on the front man to cover up a multitude of failings. It really gets more Big media support on the surface performance. The GOP base is so critical they can't worry about selling competence and policy to the majority of America. In fact they have nothing but misery to give.
In this loopy madness we try to interpret some other thing called reality and stats and polls. This is warped politics to keep a long delayed death of a failed party from disturbing private profit. The longer the Dems play this the more strangely warped they get as well, though not deserving of electoral execution(which they don't seem to mind risking).
Oh, what does all this practically mean? Obama solidifies victory. Romney "survives" with his base. From all personal evidence Romney seem to have antagonized most of the female population on style alone. The REAL battle for the lower offices gives breathing room for the GOP. Will they stop running publicly from Mitt? Sort of caught midstride running away, this might even hurt them. When will reality really get to suck for the GOP?
Quantess
(27,630 posts)The first impressions (and 2nd and 3rd and 4th and 5th...) have already been formed in voters' minds.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Yes, the 'net's and pundits' hair on fire was really hyperbole. My opinion, before I got online and pre-seeing MSNBC afterwards, was that the POTUS won. So, meh. I'm guessing that women (as I am) would probably tend to agree with that. The one suggestion I would've made, is about the eye-contact. Too much looking down and looking away, if not for that I think his performance would've appeared much stronger.
In any case, as Downie says, the debate is not a game-changer, and nothing much could be at this point. Besides, I have full faith in the Lyin' Duo's capacity for more stumbles before the election. They're due for one any minute now, seeming to average one every day or two all campaign season. I don't think that has magically changed.