Mitt Romney Lost The Election Tonight.

[Ikonoklast]

The ammunition he handed to the Obama campaign was priceless.

Mitt was talking so fast I think he actually lost track of what he was actually saying.

Wednesday of this week Mitt Romney just contradicted Monday of last week Mitt Romney on live national television.

Mitt is going to get hammered in the meanwhile before the next debate with negative ads using his own words against him.

I'd be willing to bet that the undecideds are still mostly just that after Mitt's bully boy performance.

Give this three days.

Mitt will be crowing tomorrow, but give this three days.

He'll be eating that crow inside of a week.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Hope you're right!

I'm not feeling it now.

[doublethink]

3. You will...

[gkhouston]

6. There's video of Romney campaigning for the opposite of things he said tonight.

He's just proved himself a liar out of his own mouth. So, now when he tells us he's being honest about his tax returns and his time at Bain...

Romney just publicly torpedoed the last of his credibility for what will probably be a small one-week bounce.

[DonRedwood]

7. Don't forget Miss Peggy,

The President is a very cool chess player. Every time he seems weak, he is setting up a checkmate.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

18. Who cares?

Rush and O'Reilly fans weren't going to vote for the President anyway.

The people you mention are a constant in all elections. We win despite them.

[freshwest]

21. Thank you for your answer.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

24. I don't mean to be dismissive,

I'm just saying you can't lose what you never had. Do you really think the people you mention voted for the President in 2008? Do you think they voted for Democrats in 2006, or supported Bill Clinton in the 90's?

[freshwest]

26. Of course not. Don and I have talked about a lot of things. I'll delete. Don't wanna be a downer.

I'm seeing some other threads that are better.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

28. I'm sorry,

I wasn't sure of what you meant in your first reply. My point is to not obsess over things you have no control over. You also bring up some good points, I didn't intend for you to take it the wrong way.

[freshwest]

30. We are cool. It's been a rough day for me, even without politics. See you later.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

31. Try to have a decent night. n/t

[Ikonoklast]

8. When you are the Challenger, you'll never beat the Champ just trying to stay close on points.

It has to be a knockout.

Mitt danced around a lot.

The best he could do was stay out of range.

He didn't really land anything on anyone much, except on Jim Lehrer.

[calimary]

17. Neither am I, my dear Peggy.

[hrmjustin]

2. I think you may be on to something in the end.

All he did was lie.

[Downwinder]

4. I think he will choke on Big Bird.

[Matariki]

10. +1

Seriously. Big Bird is gonna haunt him.

[Indpndnt]

27. Oh, no kidding! Big Bird is trending like mad on Twitter right now!

It's hilarious! The one thing people are getting from this debate is that Willard "wants to kill Big Bird!"

[LiberalAndProud]

5. Agreed.

[Ikonoklast]

12. And there will be more to come.

Love that ad.

[budkin]

9. He lost it when he was nominated

Yes Mitt Romney "won" the debate but it won't change anything. He lied the entire time anyway.

[RiteWingKing]

11. Let Romney Stand by his words.

Lower tax rates for the rich but eliminate tax preferences. Once that sinks in for many a millionaire that maybe harder to swallow. I would go for that. So let's get rid of the mortgage deduction, real estate tax, sales tax, charitable contributions. These deductions mainly go to the 1%.

[BainsBane]

22. His staff will walk it back tomorrow

As they always do when Romney diverges from the right-wing playbook. Even his campaign staff have complained the guy says completely different things before different audiences.

[BenzoDia]

13. I agree. These weren't fudges, he told all out lies. It was amazing.

[Turborama]

15. K&R Totally agree. actually, maybe this will give Rmoney confidence...

...to come out of hiding and start doing interviews/campaign rallies again, wherein he'll go back to proving it's not just sheep who get foot and mouth disease.

[Cha]

16. I like your style, Ikonoklast

[lonestarnot]

19. His voucher shit should have scared the peewad out of anyone who has paid into social security and

medicare for any length of time, especially those that don't have any retirement that didn't get sucked up by the mittwitts already.

[Ikonoklast]

23. Why Mitt and the Republicans think this is a winning issue with the younger than 55 voters is

astounding.

Like they didn't see or already forgot how hard their IRA's and 401K's got hammered in this recession, and that's exactly what Mitt has in store for them. No guarantees, like Social Security.

Right now in this country is the largest generational shift of assets from an older generation to a younger, and the smell of all that money is driving Wall Street mad.

They WANT people to go bankrupt due to health insurance woes, they WANT people with no safety net, because they know that they will have to sell off all their assets in order to survive instead of willing them to their children.

I forgot exactly who and how it was said it about twenty years ago, but the gist of it was "If you think that those crooks on Wall Street are just going to sit idly by while a trillion dollars worth of wealth is inherited by the next generation of working people and they don't try every trick in the book to try and steal it, you're crazy or stupid."

[King_Klonopin]

33. Mitt & Company don't care about or empathize with

the struggles of middle-class, working class Americans.

Social Security (which I've paid into for 35 years)
Medicare (which I've paid into for 35 years)
The value of my home (which has netted negative equity since purchased in 1996)
The value of my anemic IRA (decimated twice by more than 50% because of "bubble bursts&quot
The mortgage interest deduction (which I count on every year to maintain my home)

these things may be insignificant to him, but
they are all essential parts of MY retirement plan.

He has no concept of how we live.

All this resulted from insatiable greed and a stubborn
opposition to increasing the upper tax bracket by 4%.

[Scootaloo]

34. I don't think they figure that at all.

However, it does appeal to the party's base, which trends towards the upper spectrum of middle age and shows a distinct "screw you, I've got mine!" ethical standard.

[Ikonoklast]

36. It's the undecideds he needs, in a big way.

And Mitt seems intent on driving them away.

[Scootaloo]

38. In my experience, undecideds vote based on hair style.

They definitely fall into the "low information voter" spectrum - especially the ones that persist all the way to election day. I imagine most of them are going to turn on the TV on November 7th, see that Obama won, and go "Oh shoot, is it too late to vote?!"

[ellisonz]

20. I thought he got his ass kicked on health-insurance...

...which is an issue essential to the economy.

[mstinamotorcity2]

25. The President believes

in us. I believe in him.

[imanamerican63]

29. It is funny he found those 5 million jobs????

In the last three statements, Romney said he would find 12 million, than lowered it to 7 million and now it is back to 12 million! Give me, one those breaks! There he goes again ! In next 2 debates, Obama needs go after Romney on all these issues that Romney can't spell out!!!!!!

[Scootaloo]

32. "Mitt was talking so fast I think he actually lost track of what he was actually saying."

That's the point. it's called the Gish Gallop.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Basically, spew out more talking points than your opponent can manage, as fast as possible, then try to hit them for not bogging themselves down to refute every single one.

[Ikonoklast]

35. The trouble is Mitt lost the audience, too.

I'd be willing to bet that in three days not one average person who listened to that debate will be able to remember one solid political point made my Romney.

But we'll make sure they remember that Mitt wants to kill Big Bird.

People will remember THAT one.

[Scootaloo]

37. It wasn't about winning the audience, it was about throwing Obama off his game

Romney realized that he had all the chances of a pork chop in a shark tank tonight, so he basically pulled everything he had out ofh is ass. Fast-talk, lies, doubling-back...

I wouldn't say he's a "bad debater," he clearly has a firm grasp of how to throw out landmines and attempt to dominate a debate. it's just... he had nothing to debate with. He had a bag of tricks, but no bag of facts.

And his tricks, as anyone can see, failed to work; Obama went ahead as if Romney weren't even there.

[Ikonoklast]

39. And that is why I think Romney failed last night.

His entire plan was to goad Mr. Obama into anger, and it failed, miserably. Obama ignored Mitt as the lies flew out of his mouth, and made Mitt look and sound frantic.

If he tries the same tactic again, it will then be a stupendous failure.

[MADem]

40. Big Bird got a huge and sustainable bump, though!!

I think someone in a Big Bird suit ought to show up at Mitt's rallies from now on, along with a giant flip-flop and an Etch-a-Sketch, too.

[Ikonoklast]

41. Mitt really fucked himself with that one.

No one is going to remember one thing he said at the debate...except...

[rizlaplus]

42. So where can I buy the Snake Oil that Mitt Romney was selling?

Needless to say that by the time I get the answer to that Mitt will have moved on to selling Pie in the Sky.

[tosh]

43. That's what I'm saying!

[Blue_In_AK]

44. I totally agree with you on this.

I only saw the last few minutes of the debate on cspan but the ads were practically writing themselves in my head from even that little bit. After listening to only the pundits earlier this evening, I thought Obama must have had a terrible performance, but in reality I thought he did just fine. Better to let Mitt hang himself.

[lame54]

45. I thought he LOST IT last week - and the week before that...

and the week before that - and...