This may be the wrong time to bring this up, but I'm not sure when the time would be "right", so---

[Atticus]

We MUST deal as harshly as possible with Trump as soon as Joe Biden is inaugurated.

Criminal charges for the offenses we know about should be filed and investigations into the offenses we all suspect were committed should be pursued. This should begin as soon as DOJ is de-loused. There should be information sharing and full cooperation with any state pursuing investigation and prosecution of Trump and his kin.

Civil suits should be commenced to seek restitution for the grifting of our tax money by Trump and his "interests". We should make every effort to bankrupt him and his corporations.

The IRS should conduct REAL audits of Trump's tax returns for the last decade.

In short, Trump should die a pauper in prison.

On a related issue, we must have a federal statute defining "domestic terrorism" and making it a felony with major prison time. This will be used to deal with the "militias" who throw a hissy fit when we do the above.

Failure to prosecute, convict and imprison the traitorous monster who has done his best to destroy us will do three things: it will be seen as weakness, it will encourage future Trumps and---it may just amount to an admission that the American experiment in democracy has failed.

[unblock]

1. indeed, they must pay a price.

we can tolerate political differences.

we cannot tolerate crimes.

i really, really hope there's no talk about moving on "for the good of our country".
our country really needs major criminals to be held accountable.

[Hokie]

2. My hope has been that NY has sealed indictments ready to unseal on 1/21/21

Wouldn't that be loverly?

[Fiendish Thingy]

13. DOJ has sealed indictments from the Cohen prosecution.

Remember “individual one”?

Those Obstruction charges must move forward.

[Squinch]

3. If they don't pay a price, the next cult leader will be even worse.

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. And more competent. Nt

[Midnight Writer]

32. Yes, we lucked out that this one was very bad at getting things done.

[calimary]

64. DEFINITELY.

If there are no consequences, we're in effect telling all future trump-wannabes that anything goes, and there will be no penalties and you can just be as crooked and lawless as you want.

Do YOU want to see trump told that all that schmuckery of his, the laws he broke, the Constitution he shat upon and used for toilet paper - was OKAY??? No harm, no foul??? SERIOUSLY???

[fescuerescue]

98. The next cult leader is ***ALWAYS*** worse

so that's already baked in.

[Mike 03]

4. 100%

[leftieNanner]

5. I completely agree with you Atticus

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the IC already has some pretty thick files with Donny's name on them. They will be able to hit the ground running on January 21st.

What The Orange One has done to our country is unconscionable and if we don't deal with it immediately, then it will happen again - and next time the guy won't be so stupid.

[LizBeth]

6. Literally, Biden owes us that voted for him. What did he say on the campaign trail? I can't remember

But when voted we demanded, and Biden agreed. No back pedaling.

[Doremus]

25. He said he wouldn't stand in the way of anyone wanting to investigate/bring charges, etc.

Rather passive for my taste.

[LizBeth]

26. It was too passive for my taste. But wasn't what he said here. This is sounding definite and that is

not ok.

Thank you. I could not remember exactly what. I like what Warren said. You remember what Harris said, if anything?

[ehrnst]

103. Biden should not say Trump's name for the next 4 years. He stated that he would not get in the way

of an investigation, but would not be the one instigating it.

As it should be. The DOJ must function independendently from the POTUS, as the last 4 years has clearly shown us.

[LizBeth]

105. I feel no security in the statement not getting in the way of. An attitude of moving on to unite and

the person put into DOJ can easily simply ignore past Trump discretions that we never learn or hear about as they are uncovered.

Not getting in the way of, is not reassuring. We will see. I do not have much faith and think people will merely be disappointed once again, and republicans will be allowed the freedom to do whatever with no repercussions.

I mean Graham is interfering in election in three states while fist bumping Harris on the senate floor.

[ehrnst]

107. That is not the purview of the POTUS. The POTUS should be out of it. We have a DOJ

that handles these things, and that DOJ must be free of interference from POTUS, because if POTUS interferes, that's a ethical violation, and a politicization of what should be a criminal case. Do you think that the criminal case against Trump doesn't stand on its own independent of Biden getting involved?




The states are already lining up charges, in the jurisdictions where his business crimes were committed.

If the DOJ can make a strong case for federal crimes, they will. Ethical violations are likely not going to merit the resources of the DOJ.

Personally, I'd like to see international tribunals go after Trump. That would completely negate any accusations of a political witch hunt, and might prevent him from traveling to certain parts of the world for fear of being arrested.

A fistbump on the Senate floor by Harris is irrelevant.

[LizBeth]

108. Of course POTUS should be out of it and his view of how he wants his presidency to proceed is

certainly going to have an influence on the DOJ regardless of having a hands off, work for the people. If Biden is adamant on uniting and not riffling the republicans then that attitude will carry thru out his administration.

and you are wrong on the fistbumping not matter. Simply does. It is a clear acceptance and dismissal of the CONSTANT atrocious behavior of the Republicans. A mere , meh.... So, with posts telling me I am the one with a problem wishing for the unrealistic and unfairly blaming Democrat's while once again watching Republican behavior normalized by fellow Dems, the media, and country it is clear how this will proceed.

[ehrnst]

110. Who is "accepting" and "dismissing" the atrocious behavior of Republicans?

What "fellow dems" are "normalizing" anything in this administration?

[Guilded Lilly]

7. This IS the right time. For our own strength as a nation...

and to reaffirm/improve our global respect.

We must show that we are behind Democracy and the rule of law with dedication and validation. Make our actions match our words. Accountability. Accountability. Accountability.

[True Blue American]

8. I think the New York

Justice Department have enough to keep him busy.

[leftstreet]

9. If Bush/Cheney weren't investigated and charged....n/t

[Turin_C3PO]

10. They should have been

but the Trump admin was much worse than Bush's. Trump actively worked against democracy and attempted to usher in authoritarianism. Bush and Cheney were war criminals but weren't an existential threat to our democracy.

[LizBeth]

27. First black man as President had a little more restrictions than an old white man within the

structure for four decades or more.

[stillcool]

31. I've never understood that...

Charged with what? I've always assumed it would be war crimes, but would court proceedings have anything to do with the victims? Would Iraq and Afghanistan, and whoever else, be compensated for the loss of life and destruction of their countries? Would the United States not be the guilty party, and could crimes against humanity be backdated? I do think it would be fitting for those who've suffered so much to get a state or two each.

A Brief History of U.S. Interventions:
1945 to the Present
by William Blum
Z magazine , June 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

"Since World War Two the United States has attempted to overthrow more than fifty foreign governments, it has dropped bombs on the people of around thirty countries, has attempted to assassinate some sixty foreign leaders, helped to suppress dozens of populist or nationalist movements, has tortured many thousands, and seriously and illegally intervened in one way or another in virtually every country on the planet, in the process of which the U.S. has caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair."
William Blum, in a speech at the University of Vermont, 2007

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/American_Empire_KH2004.html

[Laura PourMeADrink]

82. Exactly. Bush/Cheney fake war people died. Trump utter

incompetence and blatantly hiding life and death information and people died.

Loss of life? Quarter million trump attributable. Maybe 1 million overall for Iraq?

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. If Biden appoints a weak AG who won't prosecute Trump, he will have failed as president. Nt

[SleeplessinSoCal]

12. We need strict oversight before the swearing in including tax returns

Otherwise there will be more compromised con men running for president.

[judesedit]

15. I believe Biden said he wouldn't interfere in any investigations

Hopefully, I interpreted what he said correctly.

[hurple]

16. If we ever hope to fix the divisions in this country

He MUST be investigated, exposed and shown to be the fraud and criminal he is.

MUST!

[gibraltar72]

17. The harshest of penalties as a deterrent!

[Ferrets are Cool]

18. This

[ffr]

19. You ware being too kind. This son of a bitch needs to pay for his sedition and treason.

And all who abetted him, i.e. Mitch McConnell, Pence, McCarthy. They're all

[RainCaster]

20. Yes, this is the Right Time.

The Presidential Portrait of Trump should be revised, to show him behind bars. That needs to be his legacy for all time.
Everyone who has colluded with him must also be punished to the full extent of the law.
Without mercy.
Without exception.
Criminal, tax and civil actions for all.
Any professional registries need to be removed as well. (disbarment, loss of doctor's licensing, CPA de-cert...)

[CTyankee]

29. They shouldn't even display his portrait. Take it down or leave the frame empty.

[RainCaster]

34. He needs to be remembered for all time as the most vile, corrupt President...

... that our country has every had, or will ever have. In a hundred years, people will ask about an empty frame and then replace the painting. That painting needs to show how he ended his administration- as a traitorous grifter.

[smb]

54. Trump Portrait

[CTyankee]

59. It took me a moment, then I got it...

dumpster fire is perfect.

[Dem2]

21. Agreed, but Biden must remain above it all

Let the facts take the investigation where it will. If he's guilty, convict him. If the punishment is jail time, then so be it.

[bullwinkle428]

22. Failure to properly investigate and prosecute will almost certainly

result in a more intelligent and more diabolical version of Trump sooner or later. And I'm willing to place a large bet on "sooner".

[llashram]

96. yeah a david duke

type clone or david duke KKK cultist. Over 70millions would vote for a white supremacist of his type. Racists have always lived in the shadows until trump and his administration handlers showed up. Yep, sooner rather than later.

[cp]

23. Yes, yes, yes!!!

And yes to enacting a federal statute defining Domestic Terrorism.
Thank you, Atticus.

[JGladstone]

24. Trump is a symptom of right-wing reactionary decay and not an aberration

Yes, Trump and his cabal are criminals, thieves, and raging reactionaries who belong in prison. They are not the only ones. Laser focus on Trump and his clan takes away from the broader picture of what made Trump and right-wing barbarism possible. The right-wing takeover of this country has been a long time in the making. Trump was the vehicle to advance their wish list. The problem is much deeper and wider than Trump. The left had better get its house in order to challenge that deeper problem. There can be no social and economic justice by meeting raging right-wing reactionaries in the middle. If you have the power you use it. Simply getting rid of Trump to get "back to normal" isn't enough. Normal wasn't very good for millions to begin with.

[MyMission]

28. Agree with you on

100%

Especially about the domestic terrorism, and prosecuting 45 and his enablers.

[PNW-Dem]

30. Threats he can't pardon himself against...

We know that he’ll probably find a way to pardon himself. However, it would be interesting to list all of the lawsuits against which he can’t pardon himself. I see the following:

* New York State Attorney General
* District Attorney of Manhattan
* Various sexual assault civil suits including E. Jean Carroll
* Others?

Some suits will also be directed at his children.

[mtngirl47]

33. I want televised hearings and I want his cult to

hear the sniveling coward claim the 5th over and over.

[TimeToGo]

35. I'm fine with that

But be careful with "On a related issue, we must have a federal statute defining "domestic terrorism" and making it a felony with major prison time. This will be used to deal with the "militias" who throw a hissy fit when we do the above. "

Imagine Trump with a GOP House and Senate and the Court we have. How would they define "domestic terrorism"? Who would be in that group?

[CoryTrevor]

36. The next incarnation won't be nearly as incompetent.

at least statistically speaking.

[BComplex]

37. Biden has said he doesn't want to prosecute because he's trying to bring the country together.

I say, if he DOESN'T prosecute crimes committed by elected officials and their handlers, he will lose his entire democratic base.

Nobody will vote in 2022. They may not show up January 5 if this gets out.

[crimycarny]

77. +1000

I’ve heard some arguing that what Biden said about “not wanting to divide the Nation” is not what he meant. Well, maybe not but haven’t we learned yet that most people don’t take the time to dive into the details to “see what was meant”. Same with the poorly worded “defund the police”. James Clyburn said that phrase alone is part of the reason the House lost so many seats.

Like it or not we’re a nation of “catchy phrases” and 60 seconds (or less) attention spans. Yes, Joe said he would not interfere with any DOJ investigation AND HE SHOULD HAVE LEFT IT AT THAT. He didn’t need to add the part about him personally worried that any prosecution might divide the nation.

January 5th we need an energized base, not one who sees our leadership as weak and not willing to hold some of THE most corrupt elected officials accountable.

Dear God the Democratic Party can seem to stop shooting itself in the foot and bending over backwards to prove we’re the “good guys” (Al Franken anyone?)

[BComplex]

78. Well said, crimycarny. It does seem democrats shoot ourselves in the foot sometimes.

If Biden doesn't go after the crimes and the criminals inflicted on the American peope, it's going to have very negative far reaching consequences for our nation and our party.

[Lonestarblue]

38. I heartily agree. We need to reinforce equality under the law.

No man is above the law, and we do not need Trump to be the first. He has seriously undermined our system or checks and balances, and indicting Trump also sends a message to his Republican enablers that any future candidate they run who is even worse than Trump will also be prosecuted.

Conviction and punishment will turn Trump into a martyr for his cult, but to me it’s more important that we still have the rule of law. Doing nothing just says that we don’t care about lawlessness, which means the country will eventually descend into a dictatorship under some ruthless Republican who is a lot smarter than Trump.

[blueinredohio]

39. I agree whole heartedly.

[KS Toronado]

40. A federal statute defining "domestic terrorism" and the consequences there of

[royable]

41. I'd love to see NY State simultaneously drop about 50 lawsuits on drumpf at 12:30 PM on Jan 21.

And then, once DOJ is, as you put it, de-loused, file charges on a different issue each and every day at 12 noon for about, oh, should 10 months put a dent in the list?

I'd also like to see President Biden turn to a podium immediately after his swearing in and sign a few dozen executive orders that immediately undo some of the more egregious of drumpf's orders. This is followed within the next couple days by Biden undoing most of the rest of drumpf's ~195 executive orders, along with de-lousing in all executive-controlled government agencies.

[Mr.Bill]

45. You think they should wait all the way until 12:30?

[royable]

52. By 12:30 baby drumpf should be hitting the climax of his screaming tantrum

, and the lawsuit dump should push him right over the edge.

[SayItLoud]

42. A few thoughts:

1. Biden is positioning himself and his admin properly. Leave it up to the DOJ.

2. tRUMP will never see the inside of a prison or jail. If convicted it will be "house arrest". Think Mar-A-Lago. (with Golf)

3. Regarding the $400+ million we know he will owe. (plus probably much more). Think MBS/Saudis. And any others he's traded intel for $'s or "loan guarantors".

4. Now Ivanka, DJr, Eric, Kushner... there's a possibility they will be convicted and sentenced to jail time but again probably not incarcerated just "house arrest".

5. tRUMP Organization; done in the US, not done in Turkey & Russia.

Just my 2 cents. Love to be wrong on every point but #1.

[halfulglas]

84. Scotland is getting ready to investigate his Scottish properties for money laundering.

They have always been suspicious of his funding sources. If they don't imprison him, they may confiscate his properties. That will hurt him bigly.

[llashram]

99. Stephen Miller for crimes against humanity

in creating his taking children from their parents and locking them in cages. Almost 600 are still without their families and still incarcerated. He deserves to stand in the docket in the Hague...

[soldierant]

43. No, it's not the wrong time, but

it may be the wrong target, or maybe the wrong ask.

It really is not in the job description of a President to prosecute political opponents (sometimes I wonder whether we Dems have any better understanding of how government works than Republicans do.) It is no Joe we should be trying to convince that the Trump* crime syndicate must be prosecuted. That job goes to his DOJ.

Now, if you have a tiger of a prosecutor in mind, and want to petition Joe to appoint that tiger as AG, that's another story.

Joe has announced some senior appointments. I'm a little behind, and have not looked to see whether AG is among them. It it is, that's the person we need to be making our feelings clear to.

Joe can stay out of it, and he can even be uncomfortable with it, but we can still get it done. He has said he won't interfere.

[PatrickforO]

46. Biden should stay above it. However, both the DoJ, and IRS can and should

pursue investigations independent of the president, as it should be.

States also.

[soldierant]

50. I'm not seeing Dems complaining about states, yet.

I am seeing Dems expressing loud dissatisfaction with Joe over this. I consider that divisive as well as unfair. Not saying you are guilty of this. But some are.

[PatrickforO]

63. Well, yeah. We have no business criticizing Joe over this, because we all KNEW

he would take this stance. The guy just isn't vindictive, and he'd rather heal than punish.

I get that.

But this is a big country. We have fifty states, many of whom may choose to investigate and bring charges against Trump people, and even Trump himself.

IN addition, if our government is operating properly, the DoJ, and the IRS, as well as the various Inspectors General, can pursue avenues of investigation of Trump and his criminal family, as well has the criminal members of his administration, and can independently bring charges. Biden doesn't have to dirty his own hands.

And, of course, the House is still under Democratic party control, can and will operate independently of the new President in initiating and conducting investigations.

Now, I say this because this isn't Nixon, Reagan, or even W. I felt W, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest should be up on war crimes, but Obama didn't want to go that way, and probably could not have done. But Trump has gone far beyond the pale in terms of criminal activity. I'm particularly upset about the children ripped from their parent's arms at our border. That was not only brutal and excessively cruel, but it really was a crime against humanity. And the 666 kids for whom we cannot locate parents - that is genocide. What we did at our border, creating the gulag of private for-profit concentration camps, was not only despicable, but we as a nation must cleanse ourselves of the disgrace and horror of these crimes. And, honestly, as a grandparent, I'm going to be as big of an asshole as I need to be to make sure this happens.

I'm also thinking that the tax evasion Trump has clearly, and admittedly, engaged in needs to be investigated.

RICO charges would also be appropriate, I think.

As to the quarter million dead Americans dead because of the reckless disregard for human life on the part of this monster, I'm thinking that those are manslaughter charges, and each death is one count.

I'm sorry, but Trump really is a monster, and if we do not experience the national catharsis of holding him and his family and his cronies accountable for their very real crimes, then our nation will never really recover, just as we have never really recovered from the horrors of slavery and genocide. Until we come to terms with this, we will continue to be vulnerable.

As to the Trump supporters and Trumpism, and the danger of another strongman-type leader, we ALSO desperately need a new Fairness Doctrine. As you may know, the Fairness Doctrine was instituted in this country after the Second World War, in 1948 I think. It was designed and intended to prevent the American people from falling prey to Goebbels style 'big lie' propaganda - like Fox, OANN, Newsmax, Breitbart, and right-wing talk radio. We MUST get control of that, because we have allowed the 1971 Powell Manifesto to birth the current right-wing propaganda apparatus that Trump nearly used to become a dictator for life.

I know Biden is a decent, God-fearing, old-school 'work across the aisle' kind of guy, and that is what we need from our president.

But we goddamned well need to hold these criminals accountable independently of the Biden administration. Let us give him room to stay above it, but there need to be some investigations, indictments, trials and sentences. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW, and that is just words if we don't pursue the worst of the Trump administration's crimes.

[soldierant]

70. No need to be sorry. It's not your fault Trump* is a monster.

But seriously, Joe said some time ago that he will not interfere in any charges his DOJ considers appropriate to press. And I really don't know what else he can legitimately do. 9Coming from him, easy-going as he is, I thought at the time was a strong statement, and I still do.

[llashram]

100. this++

[Mopar151]

69. Frees up space in Joe's head

Really? He's being investigated? Who'D A Thunk it!

[Atticus]

48. I agree entirely that it is not Joe's place to pursue Trump. I am sorry if my OP was unclear about

that. Nothing can be done until he is inaugurated, but appointing a good AG ends his participation. "Enforce the law without fear or favor. Let the chips fall where they may" are, I am sure, the only "instructions" Joe will give.

[soldierant]

49. Atticus, I have the greatest respect for you,

and I didn't get that from your post - but I had the feeling that some did. It's not just DU - I am seeing this overreaction almost everywhere, to the point where there is, thankfully, starting to be pushback against putting pressure on Joe, or expressing "disappointment" in Joe, which is just divisive.

[Atticus]

51. Thank you. nt

[uponit7771]

115. I don't see the OP saying it was the job of the president to do such overall. The focus here is ...

... peace and if we want it we seek justice.

[PatrickforO]

44. Yes, we cannot let such a monster off.

AT the least, he must be stripped of all wealth. Ideally, prison time.

[Jon King]

47. The entire Trump family must be hounded....

There is no other way. Financially, civilly, criminally. Everyone in the world has suffered from Trump. Boycott all properties and shame any who don't. Hound his kids and even grand kids, sorry, but nothing is off limits. The entire clan must be shunned. The Trump name must be destroyed in every possible way. A historical lesson must be taught as to what happens when someone tries to destroy democracy.

[Boogiemack]

53. I agree, but doing this on Trump alone is not enough. The criminal GOP Senators must also

be prosecuted. They should be charged AFTER Tump is out of office so that he cannot pardon them. AND Bill Barr should be disbarred as soon as possible after Trump is out.

i would even go along with filing more impeachment charges except for the fact that Biden and the Congress will so much shit to deal with once Trump and his minions are castrated.

[llashram]

101. especially his enablers

I agree

[yokbizzi]

55. COULD. NOT. AGREE. MORE.

that is all.

[misanthrope]

56. This is about safeguarding the future with prior diligence now

It's a guarantee the next one won't be as clumsy as Trump.

[panfluteman]

57. I Think That the Biden Administration Must Walk a Fine Line Here

Justice must be administered and charges must be brought against Trump and his colleagues, family or otherwise. But It must not be unduly politicized or sensationalized, and it must not be done vindictively. Just follow the rule of law and due process, and hold Trump accountable for his crimes - no more, and no less. In the process, the American people must be given an education in what constitutes the constitutional workings of a democracy, and how Trump broke the law, what exactly were his crimes, why he did them, and how he must be prosecuted under the law. Regarding all of Trump's sycophants and enablers who may be charged, drive home the message that legislators and public servants take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and not an individual. In other words, an education in Civics and American Government.

Definitely, there is the desire on the part of the incoming Biden administration to put all this behind us as a nation, and to move on. But Trump's crimes were so egregious that they must not be ignored or swept under the rug. That would only ensure that another Trumpster like character comes along in the future who will try to get away with even more egregious crimes. Positively, an ethic of good government must be installed, and it should be made clear that, in principle, both Democrats and Republicans are capable of good governing. Some may think that that is too much to ask the GOP, especially at the national level, but good governing is an ideal that must be promoted across the board.

[malaise]

58. This is the right time

rec

[ironflange]

60. Die a pauper in prison. I like the sound of that

[Nay]

61. Exactly. Real pain must be applied to these monsters or they will be emboldened. For

example: the nuts who took over the Federal park out west should have been smoked out of there in 3 days, using whatever means necessary. And the NEXT time they do some takeover like this, repeat the process. It's going to take a few times before they get the message.

[grantcart]

62. Agree 100%

[Warpy]

65. I'd be perfectly happy with him in a gilt lined prison of his own making

Men I want jailed are Barr, Giuliani, Bannon, De Joy, and all his other enablers, not limited to the executive branch, at all. Barr heads the list. His misconduct has been EPIC.

I would be happy with Dumdum at Mar a Loco or that marble horror in NYC with the cameras and microphones gone away, the crowds dissipated, enablers in jail or fighting to stay out of jail. creditors lining up lawsuits against his empire, and no one answering his phone calls. He's a malignant narcissist and the pain from that would be far worse than anything else we could possibly devise.

[DENVERPOPS]

66. YES

But not only Trump......his spawn, his entire RepubliCON administration in it's entirety, All the Republican Senators. Many in the Republican party, the NRA, etc

They are ALL a gigantic CABAL, a true cesspool of feces......

[marlakay]

67. I wonder if they can attach any money

He might owe because of IRS from his pension we will be giving him, really bugs me my taxes are paying for him rest of his life!

[panader0]

68. Eric Swalwell proposed a Presidential Crimes Commission.

I think it is an excellent idea and I think Swalwell would be the right guy to lead it.
The trump administration should and MUST be held accountable for their numerous crimes.

[BainsBane]

71. I don't see Biden doing that

as much as its necessary. He may leave Trump to NY state.

[warmfeet]

72. Yes, I agree in full.

History tells us that we may not have many chances to retain our Democracy. For all we know, this is our last chance. We just do not know. Fight for your Democracy.

[Beringia]

73. Who will lead the way on prosecutions, not Biden

[FakeNoose]

74. Our new UNTOUCHABLE Attorney General, whoever he/she may be

... will know how to proceed. It must be handled by the FBI and the Dept. of Justice.

It cannot and should not be handled by Joe Biden or any other elected official of either party.
We are not a Banana Republic! We will abide by our Constitution and our laws.

[llashram]

102. Don't forget

our tough as nails VP. She knows what must be done legally. VP Harris has not been mentioned once in all this dialog from Democrats. It's like she has been relegated to being not relevant to this WHOLE fight. When it comes to the law, she knows the ins and outs. Inauguration is where we will see what this incoming administration intends on doing about the trump administration's lawlessness. Family and trump enablers/encouragers will/should be included in any internal, investigation for breaking the laws of our land.

I agree also that we can never APPEAR to be weak in the face of these racist fascists trying to take over our democracy for their own nefarious aims. Which will include all melanin enhanced people with a literal target that must be worn on clothes in public at all times.

[FakeNoose]

112. Absolutely I have complete faith in Kamala

Before she was chosen as VP running mate, I posted on DU several times that I'd like her to be our next Attorney General. She would have been awesome, but now she's meant for greater things. As the former AG of California I'm sure she'll be interested in the proceedings against the Repukes (and Chump.)

I have no doubt: Our next Attorney General will be a person of excellent moral fiber and will know the law inside and out. There will be no scurrilous political shenanigans in the Biden administration.

[ecstatic]

75. Agreed. I don't think we should get freaked out by the recent articles

regarding Biden not wanting to focus on investigations.

tRump is holding up the transition right now and Biden's team is probably trying out different tactics to get trump to stop holding the country hostage.

[BobTheSubgenius]

76. All true!

There is already a move afoot to name The Proud Boys a domestic terrorist group. That's a start!

As far as Trump goes, anything short of honest-to-God torture is on the table, at least for me.

[Kitchari]

79. Agree

Completely

[progressoid]

80. Biden has already specifically told advisers that he is wary of federal tax investigations

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/president-elect-biden-wary-trump-focused-investigations-sources-say-n1247959?fbclid=IwAR2Bp6bAiVVUdydto9reMMy_qFP2uCC0nzeKGBdyL1LOEMwwkGWyW4ll8gg

[ehrnst]

104. As he should be. Let the states handle it.

[progressoid]

109. States should not handle Federal tax matters.

[ehrnst]

111. I was talking about the other issues in the article that you posted

Sorry if that was unclear.

Biden should not be involved in any of the investigations. That is not the job of the WH, but the DOJ.

[Hotler]

81. He's a fascist and needs to be treat as such. Same for his henchmen. nt

Can we call them Nazi yet??????

[alfredo]

83. Don't forget to yank his passport

[jimlup]

85. agreed, but we have to remove the fucker first

I dont see how this ends

[Locrian]

86. it is time...

And while I completely agree on the need to prosecute trump (and the rest of the gang) - we also need to address a host of other issues.

The "system" was ineffectual in handling multiple issues of abuse of power - from the obvious business conflicts of interest, security breaches, abuse of power, etc. Those laws or process must be shored up: no more "strongly worded letters". When there are people (gop) that don't care about democracy there is no "civility" or "honor" to hold them accountable. That part of the system is broken.

Distortion of truth and facts. Please watch the video below. I think a lot of people do not realize the extent that the media has tilted the field. MSM is addicted ($$$) to sensationalism and access. They will sell out democracy for ratings and $$$. But the worst is the internet / social media machine that is distorting reality. This will continue to accelerate and grow the cancer we are seeing in the US (and the world). A distorted reality created by algorithms that are only interested in capturing attention - fueled by the worst in human behavior and events.

Frank Luntz - I talked to Tristan Harris and Jeff Orlowski of the upcoming Netflix documentary, 'The Social Dilemma.' Tristan explains how social networks are designed to "hijack" human attention by targeting our limbic system and keep us addicted to emotional responses.

I think we got extremely lucky. Without CV19 and the resulting vote system (mail ins, etc that I think made it more difficult to cheat), and complete bungling and mismanagement of trumps idiotic team we would be looking at trump as president in 2020 and the end of the US democracy.

[Kahuna]

87. Prosecution is the only way to stop him. nt

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

88. Prosecute him...find him guilty...then...

Exile him. No communication on a refitted tanker anchored somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle.

He’d be gone, gone, gone.

[PCIntern]

89. Agreed in toto...

Let the future Nazis think twice before they pull stunts Like this family of grifters did. I say, no mercy.

[colsohlibgal]

90. He Will Be Prosecuted

In New York. Joe can leave it to them. I doubt this happens but if Joe tries stopping Ny from doing that he will be making a monumental mistake.

If Chitolini is not held to account what’s to stop the next would be Autocrat?

I think Obama made a mistake not holding Bush, Cheney and the PNAC crowd accountable for pushing us to War on false premises.

Sooner or later we have to hold wrongdoers liable for their actions.

[Paladin]

91. Fully agree with you. Getting him out of office isn't nearly enough.

If trump gets off easy, the fucking right-wingers will be wildly encouraged to do the whole thing over again, in the future---only this time with black uniforms and red armbands. To hell with that noise.

[Grammy23]

92. I said yesterday that he should be prosecuted for every crime in his long, sordid life.

If we allow this fool to go free and avoid being held accountable for his life of crimes, we only verify that our attempt at democracy has failed. We’ve consoled ourselves throughout his presidency (once it became clear how blatant his crimes would be) that no man is above the law. We can admit to ourselves that it was all a good idea but in practice has been an utter disaster. If the person in the top leadership position in the world can commit crimes with impunity and without fear of being held accountable, our grand idea of democracy is finished.

Indict him (and anyone in his administration who committed crimes), hold trials and televise them so the people of the nation can witness the process. It is important for every citizen to see the evidence and to understand why he must be put on trial for his crimes. We need to know the extent of his crimes and his followers should know what he has done to all of us. Let our system work the way it should to bring justice to tRump and reassurance to the rest of that our constitution has held up and we are a nation of laws. We need this and deserve it after all we’ve been through with tRump.

[Grammy23]

93. I said yesterday that he should be prosecuted for every crime in his long, sordid life.

If we allow this fool to go free and avoid being held accountable for his life of crimes, we only verify that our attempt at democracy has failed. We’ve consoled ourselves throughout his presidency (once it became clear how blatant his crimes would be) that no man is above the law. We can admit to ourselves that it was all a good idea but in practice has been an utter disaster. If the person in the top leadership position in the world can commit crimes with impunity and without fear of being held accountable, our grand idea of democracy is finished.

Indict him (and anyone in his administration who committed crimes), hold trials and televise them so the people of the nation can witness the process. It is important for every citizen to see the evidence and to understand why he must be put on trial for his crimes. We need to know the extent of his crimes and his followers should know what he has done to all of us. Let our system work the way it should to bring justice to tRump and reassurance to the rest of that our constitution has held up and we are a nation of laws. We need this and deserve it after all we’ve been through with tRump.

Healing the nation IS important. It starts by demonstrating that no one is above the law. There is such a thing as justice and accountability. If we skip this step, there will always be a festering wound.

[llashram]

94. this

[Mad_Dem_X]

95. Completely agree.

These criminals should face justice.

[fescuerescue]

97. I believe it will occur as the complete opposite

Biden will likely seek to heal the nation, as opposed to doing open heart surgery on it.

[LAS14]

106. Pursuing an ex president has downsides that don't apply to other people. That is,....I think....

...sucking up attention and political resources. We have spent plenty of time on Trump. Let states' attorneys carry on the fight, but not congress or Biden. We have way too much other business to tend to.

[Meowmee]

113. Agree completely, anything else is suicide and a mockery of what has happened

[Hermit-The-Prog]

114. Gonna need a lot of investigators and prosecutors to handle the criminal cohorts.