Will an Obama win nullify efforts against Citizens United and election fraud?

[IDemo]

There are differences of opinion here about whether Obama has an insurmountable lead, even with the effects of massive voter suppression and the expected ad-valanche to come, courtesy of Citizens United dollars.

It almost goes without saying that the media and the PTB won't feel it's worth acting upon anyway, but will the unconscionable mess the Right has made of our election process be dealt with after the election (assuming an Obama win) or continue to mark us as banana republic worthy?

[Viva_Daddy]

1. I hope not. Our insane election system needs to be cleaned up.

You'd think that after 200 years we would be doing better by now. Unverifiable "paperless" voting??? You must be joking. Voter purges and voter suppression??? Why aren't people in the streets protesting???

[Vincardog]

2. Have you seen ANY attempt by the Democratic PTB to deal with rampant election fraud? IMO

The entrenched heads of the political party are as pleased as pigs in sh*t with the status quo.

[emulatorloo]

4. Plenty of calls against/efforts by Dems against Citizens United.

Only Republican Ihave heard speak against it is McCain.

Sorry, "Dems and Republicans are the same" mantra is not credible in the face of actual fact.

[Vincardog]

6. "Dems and Republicans are the same" your words not mine, nice straw man

[emulatorloo]

12. "The entrenched heads of the political party are as pleased as pigs in sh*t with the status quo."

Translation: "Dems and Republicans are the same"

[Vincardog]

13. Translation: "Some Dems have sold out to the same powers as Republicans have" Why do you insist on

putting YOUR words in my mouth? Does it make it easier in your simple world?

The parties are not and should not be the same. We (The members of the parties) are the ones
who have to keep our "leaders" from allowing them to be the same.

Prove me wrong. Where is there any evidence of the Democratic LEadership fighting against the BBV?

If you can't respond to that simple question, I will have to conclude your are some kind of BOT and put you on ignore.

[emulatorloo]

15. Well I am pleased as a pig in shit with your clarification!

Thanks. If that's what you meant, than no doubt you can see why I was confused by your original sentence. You appeared to be demonizing lots of Dems the way you wrote that.

So for example, I have yet to hear a single Democrat embracing the "status quo" of Citizens United or voter suppression laws.

As to "proving" anything to you - OP referenced Citizens United and Voter Suppression. Pelosi wants to take it down, that's why I am voting a straight Democratic ticket There are plenty of Dems who have spoken out against both. Repeating myself, only Republican I have heard denounce it has been John McCain.

ON EDIT: great news

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021453195

Tuesday, Oct 2, 2012 05:04 PM EDT
GOP voter laws getting walloped by the courts
Eleven states have blocked voter suppression laws
By Jillian Rayfield

[louis-t]

3. Nothing I like better than to see a bunch of rich repugs

throwing their money away. Hopefully, they'll realize money can't buy everything.

[emulatorloo]

5. Yes.

[csziggy]

11. A different kind of redistibution of wealth

From the pockets of the insanely rich to the pockets of political operatives and media consultants.

Even if the wealthy don't get the return on their investments they wish, the political operatives will still try to convince them do donate again. The political hacks are flush with the amount of money they have raked in this campaign cycle and will want to stay on that gravy train in the future.

Look at Nathan Sproul, who set up the voter registration fraud in Florida and across the country - newly established company got over a million bucks for his fraud. The Florida GOP cut all ties but I have not read anywhere that they are asking for their money back. Sproul will get to keep it most likely.

Unless the state actually charges him with a crime and takes him to trial and, miracle of miracle, convicts him, there is absolutely no incentive for Sproul to not try the same fraud yet again with another shell corporation and maybe a front man to take the heat if they are caught again. Why not, if he can get over a million bucks for a scam that only lasts a few months and probably cost him less than a tenth of what he was paid?

[Nye Bevan]

7. It will prove that elections are not so easy to buy

as a lot of people seem to think.

[ruffburr]

8. It Must Change

After this republican orgy of voter suppression and ballot box stuffing (phony vote registration company) We need to demand a total revamp of the whole process, Starting with elimination of electoral college, Disposing of all die-bold type voting machines and Reversing citizens united I don't care if we have to go to pencil and paper whatever , This system is being corrupted and thus corrupting the country even further with each election.

[Viva_Daddy]

9. Yes, yes, yes. K&R

[scheming daemons]

10. A Romney win GUARANTEES that Citizens United will *NEVER* be overturned.

Because it guarantees 2-to-4 more conservative SCOTUS justices.


An Obama win at least gives us a chance, as he will nominate better justices.

[loyalsister]

14. It should be

I attended a pro com mediation discussion about it and the neutral argument suggested that would could reveal a that it is not as severe as people think. He claimed that the at Unions provide funding as well. The entertain group leans toward Democrats. On top of that the small contributions lean toward Democrats. So, it's not impossible that the fund accumulation.
The entertain industry leans toward Democrats. As well as some wealthy corporations and some public individuals.
And even better- students. There is a way to fight right now. getting out the vote.
Many of them seem to be the ones creating the most damaging ads that go viral. Our greatest source of "free $peech" Appears to be students and nerds who work for free making videos and have a great time doing it. And again the entertainment industry.
He suggested that these election result may or may determine the value.


Left something out.
We should watch closely to monitor the possibility of those predictions.

[emulatorloo]

16. It is a serious problem. Pres Obama, Dem House, Dem Senate will work on it.

President Romney won't.