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Enrique

(27,461 posts)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:23 AM Sep 2012

I predict the story of the debates will be Romney's lies

we are hearing about the "zingers" Mitt is preparing. I think those zingers are actually lies. Very difficult for Obama to prepare for, how can he anticipate what Mitt might make up? And Mitt has paved the way by accusing Obama of lying in debates.

Obama probably won't call out the lies at the time, too risky. It will need to be done by the media, and there is a lot of reason to believe they simply won't do it, they will just let the lies stand, no matter how blatant. I base this on the fact that in the long article on the debate prep where we heard about the "zingers", the question of truthfulness only barely came up, in passing. A sign that they are not interested in that aspect. Also, the interview where Mitt accused Obama of lying in debates, George Stephanopoulos didn't even ask him what lies he was referring to. Another bad sign.

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I predict the story of the debates will be Romney's lies (Original Post) Enrique Sep 2012 OP
If he attempts to deliver "zingers" they will be annabanana Sep 2012 #1
The President can handle it... polichick Sep 2012 #2
Will there be questions from the audience? reformist2 Sep 2012 #3
the second debate is townhall style I think Enrique Sep 2012 #5
Oh boy. These debates are getting to be as scripted as the conventions. Zzzzz. reformist2 Sep 2012 #8
There are some credible criticisms of the current President's first four years. porphyrian Sep 2012 #4
I think President Obama ann--- Sep 2012 #6
I agree aandegoons Sep 2012 #7
Romney can pull in people with zinger lies. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #10
Something like "Well, that would be a real zinger there Mitt, if only it were true." Smackdown..n/t monmouth Sep 2012 #12
I like that too. Overseas Sep 2012 #18
President Obama must immediately counter every single Romney lie. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #9
I agree, this is Bill Clinton's strong point, he speaks up immediately, as must be done. 1-Old-Man Sep 2012 #11
but how? Enrique Sep 2012 #14
Pres Obama does this thing.. "wait, wait, hold on now, that's just not true...." glowing Sep 2012 #13
The zingers aren't lies, they are things like this... HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #15
Those 'zingers' are hard to refute... nenagh Sep 2012 #16
Wow, Mitt, have you really fired four million people? Overseas Sep 2012 #19
But the "experts" on teevee will accuse Obama of lying jsr Sep 2012 #17
I called it: now it's up to the media Enrique Oct 2012 #20

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
1. If he attempts to deliver "zingers" they will be
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:25 AM
Sep 2012

awkward, cringe inducing mis-fires. I don't believe this is the strategy. I think it's a head fake.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
2. The President can handle it...
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:27 AM
Sep 2012

Those "zingers" will just make Rmoney look like a bitter high school debater.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
5. the second debate is townhall style I think
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:38 AM
Sep 2012

but the risk is limited because the questions are screened.

 

porphyrian

(18,530 posts)
4. There are some credible criticisms of the current President's first four years.
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:29 AM
Sep 2012

Romney, however, has no credibility with the majority of not only Americans, but the global audience. He may as well lie his ass off, because what he says is only going to be used to further mock and ridicule him at this point.

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
6. I think President Obama
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:43 AM
Sep 2012

SHOULD call out Robme's lies - immediately. Otherwise, he'll appear like a wuss.

aandegoons

(473 posts)
7. I agree
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:46 AM
Sep 2012

The republicans have lied themselves into a corner. We already know that Romney won't give any specifics on what he will do. In his effort to fire off some zingers he will need to distort the truth to do so, or risk alienating his base.

Romney has yet to deliver anything of substance. His entire campaign so far has been distortions of President Obama's record, out right lies, and flip flops. I do not see that changing in the debates.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
10. Romney can pull in people with zinger lies.
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:48 AM
Sep 2012

President Obama needs to be careful and de-construct each Romney lie on the spot.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
9. President Obama must immediately counter every single Romney lie.
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:47 AM
Sep 2012

The audience for the debate is not the new media or people that are paying attention. The audience that Romney wants to distort is low information voters that can be convinced by Romney's lies. For that reason, President Obama must immediately, but courteously destroy any lie that Romney puts forward.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
11. I agree, this is Bill Clinton's strong point, he speaks up immediately, as must be done.
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:52 AM
Sep 2012

President Obama needs to correct him right then and there, with rock solid fact of course, whenever Romney strays an inch from the truth - which he will do in spades. Keep in mind, nowhere in the Primaries or the electioneering that has taken place since then has Romney used a factual attack on Obama, its alway emotional and as such reliant on exaggeration.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
14. but how?
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:59 AM
Sep 2012

I think this is what both sides are working on the most, Mitt trying to come up with lies that will be hard for Obama to call out, and Obama trying to figure out how he is going to handle Mitt's lies.

Unfortunately, the media is NOT working on this obvious task. If they were, they would be talking about it already.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
13. Pres Obama does this thing.. "wait, wait, hold on now, that's just not true...."
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:59 AM
Sep 2012

type of line.. He doesn't call the person a liar... he calls the statement "not true" in a nice guy sort of way, and then tells the truth. He's done it plenty of the time and in many different forums.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
15. The zingers aren't lies, they are things like this...
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:12 AM
Sep 2012

"I've fired more people than the number of jobs you've created"

"I know how to make a China policy that is profitable"

"I've known CEOs, and you Mr. Obama are no CEO"

"Who would you trust about knowing the tax loopholes? Me or the President?"

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
16. Those 'zingers' are hard to refute...
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:44 AM
Sep 2012

I see what you mean.. Hope Pres Obama's prep committee reads your comment..

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
19. Wow, Mitt, have you really fired four million people?
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:44 AM
Sep 2012

Yes, Mitt, you really helped the Chinese economy when you were at Bain, outsourcing so many jobs to China.

Well, Mitt, I have been Commander in Chief of the United States of America for a while now, and actually have known many CEO's as a Senator and as President.

As the country's chief executive, looking for ways to make our system of taxation more equitable, I have identified many loopholes we really should tighten up. You can see them delineated on the website Tax dot gov.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
17. But the "experts" on teevee will accuse Obama of lying
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:51 AM
Sep 2012

because they have to be fair and balanced.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
20. I called it: now it's up to the media
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:21 AM
Oct 2012

hopefully I was wrong about this part:

It will need to be done by the media, and there is a lot of reason to believe they simply won't do it, they will just let the lies stand, no matter how blatant.

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