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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHas anyone seen this? Quite damning.
&feature=relmfuJesus, what Romney did to these people is criminal.
On the Road
(20,783 posts)older white collar males, steel town, midwest, economic security issues.
It does trumpet these things, it just shows them. And it is more powerful for being a miniature documentary which draws the viewer in rather a series of politcal slogans.
Obama has run an effective negative campaign and his staff has been able to do it while avoiding the horror-move music ads that people just ignore.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)On the Road
(20,783 posts)and make a series of accusations against the opposing candidate. They're the traditional kinds of negative ads candidates run, but the Obama staff seems to have done a good job of changing the paradigm.
This one is satire and not really the best example, but you get the idea:
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)So showing faults and misdeeds of your opponent is negative??
When you sling mud and tell lies is negative ......... telling the truth is just telling the truth ..........
So tell me what is negative about the Obama campaign
nxylas
(6,440 posts)A negative ad is one that focusses on your opponent, a positive one concentrates on your strengths. People say they prefer positive ads, but in reality, negative ads are more effective, especially for an incumbent President in a struggling economy. If mood were more optimistic, then touting Obama's achievements would be the way to go, but as things stand, his best weapon is Mitt Romney.
On the Road
(20,783 posts)The Obama campaign is devoting a large amount of its resources to defining Romney in a negative light. Obama is running a very effective negative campaign.
If you want a point of comparison, look at 2008. The theme of the campaign was "Hope and Change," and comparatively few ads were directed against McCain.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)he has done very little and had not made an ass out of himself yet(he is doing a fine job of it now)
I do not see a negative campaign being run by Obama.
I will say this again. If a politician makes a statement to the effect that their opponent is wishy washy and leaves it there then that is negative. If they on the other hand give reason why they feel that is the case then that is just telling the truth or giving their opinion based on facts that they feel is relevant.
What i see is Willard making statements and backing them up with dead air.
If one listens to Willard you will see him take 12 different positions on the same thing. One can only counter this with stating that fact, one can only attack his record because he refuses to release records because he had them all destroyed.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)The truth is the truth and if it hurts Rmoney because his true character, career, etc are ugly... then so be it.
But exposing the truth, the lies, the hypocrisy... is not negative.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)a kennedy
(29,674 posts)to see this. Bain Capital indeed. More like pain capital.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)more cash for themselves. That does not make Mitt a "great businessman" as TV news pundits try to claim.
If you burn your family's house down, collect the insurance, desert your family and leave town, does that make you a good father because you got rich?
Care Acutely
(1,370 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Do we really want to give the robber baron's the keys to the kingdom....really?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Real business people sell goods or services. The only thing Willard has ever been is a vampire squid financier, one of the lowest forms of economic life.
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)(not that this rant is so well-written but there's a bigger picture here than just Bain)
freshwest
(53,661 posts)ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)Too much truthiness in it.
LizW
(5,377 posts)They took over the Company (Country) by stealing Florida in 2000. There was a surplus. We were at peace. We were like a Company operating at a profit, but we were vulnerable to takeover. They bought it (with the Supreme Court's help).
The "bust-out" was already planned (PNAC). The day of 9/11, Cheney was thinking of attacking Iraq.
No matter how much the "employees" protested - in spite of the fact that we could see what was going on, they continued to suck the capital out of the Company (trillions for war funneled to war contractors and defense firms, tax cuts for the rich; then later, a huge bailout for the financial industry).
Now the debt crisis. We are at the stage where the Company can't meet its obligations, and the owners are crying bankruptcy. The obligations they want to escape are exactly the same as the ones Bain escaped in this film - retirement and health care for people who have worked their whole lives in the Company.
The profiteers walked away with trillions. They "have more money than they can ever spend - than their families can ever spend" as the man in the film said.
They have already fired the workers. If allowed to stay in control, they will cancel the "pensions and health care." Then all that is left is closing the plant and selling off the assets.
It is a business model and it is one they are applying to the entire country.
Excellent summary.
JHB
(37,161 posts)...there were dozens, maybe hundreds, of outfits that used the same bag of tricks to home in on an "underperforming" (as defined by go-go Wall Streeters) company with attractive assets (large cash reserves, real estate, etc.) that could be liquidated and siphoned off.
Or you could resell it -- once you got rid of things that would be unattractive to potential buyers, like union contracts, pension obligations, etc.
And in a maddening tango with this, other companies would take on debt to fend off takeovers, with predictably bad outcomes for the rank and file:
As it turned out, Interco failed to be a textbook model for the wonders of corporate debt. Instead of encouraging efficiency, it compelled management to make short-term decisions that harmed the long-run interests of the corporation and its employees. Within two weeks of taking on the debt, Interco closed two Florsheim shoe plants-and sold the real estate. Interco announced that the shutdowns would save more than $2 million. That was just enough to pay the interest on the company's new mountain of debt for five days. At the Florsheim plant in Paducah, Kentucky, 375 employees lost their jobs. At the Florsheim plant in Hermann, 265 employees were thrown out of work. None was offered a job at another plant.
***
It was a model of stability for the town and one of the manufacturing jewels of the International Shoe Company, later Interco, its owner. Because of the factory's efficient work force, whenever Florsheim wanted to experiment with new technology or develop a new shoe, it did so at Hermann. The plant had a long history of good labor relations. And it operated at a profit. So why, then, did Interco choose to close the factory.?
Listen to Perry D. Lovett, who was city administrator of Hermann when the plant shut down and who discussed the closing with Interco officials: "We talked to the senior vice president who was selling the property and he told me this was a profitable plant and they were pleased with it. The only thing was, this plant and the one in Kentucky they actually owned. The other plants they had, they had leased. The only place they could generate cash was from the plant in Hermann and the one in Kentucky. "He said it was just a matter that this was one piece of property in which they could generate revenue to pay off the debt. And that was it. That brought it down." In short, a profitable and efficient plant was closed because Interco actually owned-rather than leased-the building and real estate. And the company needed the cash from the sale of the property to help pay down the debt incurred in the restructuring that was supposed to make the company more efficient.
Romney richly deserves to be the poster-boy for this insanity, but always keep in mind that he didn't particularly stand out in the corporate-raider crowd. There were plenty just like him.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)still robbing people of the fruits of a lifetime of labor. The only thing that has changed is financing, a little harder to get, and not so many targets without holes in them already. And there exists a need for hundreds of billions of dollars in re-financing for their past deals that will need to be done by 2014, which encompass hundreds of thousands of jobs.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)trying to move up from the "let's harvest corporations" level to the "let's harvest countries" level.
"There were plenty just like him."
Yes, the successful ones that have brought down Greece and are aiming for all the PIIGS, and the ones that tried and failed in Iceland.
After the election, if and when we re-elect President Obama and arm him with a democratic senate and house, then (and only then) we will actually owe Romney a debt of gratitude for shining a spotlight on what's been going on for the last few decades, and pissing us off (after pissing on us) enough to seriously fight back against these monsters.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)because it forces management to be disciplined, keep a tighter rein on costs.
By that logic, a household without major debt is behaving foolishly. I won't extend the analogy to federal debt, because governments and their spending are totally different from households or businesses.
Anyway, the more debt I personally, or any company has, the more of my income is committed to paying back that debt, giving me, and the company, far less flexibility in dealing with something unforeseen.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)500 richest people in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Milken
I remember reading about profitable companies Milken dismantled. It's been going on ever since.
JHB
(37,161 posts)emphasis mine
By Michael Kranish and Beth Healy
Globe Staff / June 24, 2012
It was at the height of the 1980s buyout boom when Mitt Romney went in search of $300 million to finance one of the most lucrative deals he would ever manage. The man who would help provide the money was none other than the famed junk-bond king Michael Milken.
What transpired would become not just one of the most profitable leveraged buyouts of the era, but also one of the most revealing stories of Romneys Bain Capital career. It showed how he pivoted from being a relatively cautious investor to risking his reputation for a big payoff. It is one that Romney has rarely, if ever, mentioned in his two bids for the presidency, perhaps because the Houston-based department store chain that Bain assembled later went into bankruptcy.
But what distinguishes this deal from the nearly 100 others that Romney did over a 15-year period was his close work with Milkens firm, Drexel Burnham Lambert Inc. At the time of the deal, it was widely known that Milken and his company were under federal investigation, yet Romney decided to go ahead with the deal because Drexel had a unique ability to sell high-risk, high-yield debt instruments, known as junk bonds.
The Obama campaign has criticized the deal as showing Romneys eagerness to make a profit at any cost, because workers lost jobs, and challenged Romneys assertion that his business background best prepares him for the presidency. Romney, meanwhile, once referred to the deal as emanating from the glorious days of Drexel Burnham, saying, it was fun while it lasted, in a little-noticed interview with American Banker magazine.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)milken is another education deformer too. and of course, a 'philanthropist'. they're all freaking philanthropists.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)for what they have done to America and Americans.
demwing
(16,916 posts)they have no shame.
This wasn't an accident - it was an intentional act. They are not ashamed, they are proud.
Esse Quam Videri
(685 posts)commercials but not the whole thing. Rmoney is a true Mother F'er through and through.
toddwv
(2,830 posts)And they don't care about what happens to people when the jobs are gone.
If it's not profit, they don't care.
This is the Mittifying of America.
Here's another:
Blanks
(4,835 posts)They are very well done. The format is excellent. It almost looks like a news story and has no reference to party.
I think they will be effective.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)That should be illegal. I don't know why any corporation has ever been allowed to cheat workers out of their pension after a lifetime of work. Why the hell is that OK? it's not just manufacturing jobs, this has happened to many entertainment jobs and tech jobs as well. The financial industry has sucked all the money out of any and every job in America that actually produced things, sent those jobs overseas, and decimated communities all across the country. They are still sucking up anything that is left. If they haven't come for your job yet don't worry you are next whether you work in the private sector or the public sector. As the working class dies so do local and state governments as they suffer revenue shortfalls. That's what the war on public sector unions, teachers and firefighters is all about. Local governments are looking for ways to cheat these workers out of their healthcare, benefits and pensions. Mitt Romney and Bain capital are the poster children for disaster capitalism. Amazing that anyone would even think of electing Romney.
Add:
Everyone who has given a lifetime of work should be able to retire. Everyone! Not just those who have been lucky enough to GAMBLE in a rigged stock market and win. Pensions should be the norm. 401ks are a sad sick expensive joke that coupled with the GOPs plans for Medicare and social security will leave generations of elderly workers to starve and die early.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)I do not understand how these companies can be forced into bankruptcy and EVERYONE GETS PAID EXCEPT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED PENSIONS AND INSURANCE!
The same thing happened to my Father-in-law at Nortel. Company goes bankrupt, and they tell people, "Oops, so sorry. You worked here for 30 years on the understanding there would be a pension? Well, so sorry, but that pension is going to be cut in half!"
Literally cut in half. People who worked for 20 or 30 years suddenly told that the promises that were made to them all those years suddenly doesn't apply anymore. The creditors get in line for their payout before the pensioners.
I think they ought to take care of the WORKERS first, and THEN investors get paid.
Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't retirees who suddenly find they cannot afford retirement anymore picking up rifles and lying in wait for some high-powered executives to pass by on their morning jogs.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)period. Bain has plenty of money to pay everything the companies owe to the workers.
Not Sure
(735 posts)These pension plans aren't some benevolent gift from a gracious employer, they are our retirement savings created from our paychecks. This isn't the company's money to steal. I'm astounded that these goddamn companies are allowed to get away with this shit. And the drones watching the news report on labor disputes and strikes just lap it up.
According to most in my town, I'm the overpaid union worker who gets to loaf around and do nothing at my job without fear of losing benefits or getting fired. Ha! I'd love to have any of these soft jokers join me on a rain-soaked night or a blistering day on the railroad. I'd have a new ally joining me in the fight for better pay, better working conditions and security in my retirement.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)I work about a mile from there. I have family who worked there. It was at one time the largest employer in the neighborhood. Most other industrial businesses in the area have also shut down.
It's a horrible tragedy. The plant was hurt by the growth of foreign car sales in the country back in the 70s. It recovered from that, we heard it was doing well, then all of a sudden it was closed. Knowing the details makes it much more painful.
bulloney
(4,113 posts)For too long, virtually everyone I talk to would argue that you stay out of one's way if they're in line to make a ton of money because, hey--that's capitalism. And capitalism is inherently good. If you stand in the way, you're a communist or something.
I hear more people understand how things like what Bain has been doing is harmful, not beneficial to our economy. It sucks the life out of the middle class and the nation's economy. People are beginning to see the effects of concentrated wealth and they don't like it.
My BIL recently argued that the U.S. has more millionaires than any other country. I responded by pointing out that the concentration of wealth in this country is the highest it's been since the 1920s. He looked at me confused and I added that this means the middle class is disappearing and as a business owner (he's in residential and commercial construction), that should concern him. The other family members in the room gave a resounding "That's right."
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)The idea of America and Capitalism is that people who are willing to work have a chance at a better life.
This concentration of wealth at the top is a tactic of a ruling class that is hiding behind Corporate Capitalism and we NEED the strong regulation on business that we once had, maybe even go back to corporations only lasting 25, 30 or 50 years and then having to start over.
We need to make certain that ANY corporation is contributing to the good of the community where they operate or reside. If they pollute, they can clean it up. If they kill someone, their corporation can be put to death and the owners held accountable as well.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)julian09
(1,435 posts)ejbr
(5,856 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)ejbr
(5,856 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Romney is pulling people and resources out of MO.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)Then I can't provide a bitchy comment anywhere in this thread?
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Telly Savalas
(9,841 posts)Nate Silver has Romney with an 89% chance of winning MO, so this may be a rare instance of something that isn't bullshit coming from the Romney camp.
Florida in contrast is a must-win state for Romney, and things aren't looking good for him there, so it makes sense for him to redeploy resources.
Of course Missouri is still a key battleground in November, but more because of the Senate race between McCaskill and the Lord of the Douchebags.
vanlassie
(5,676 posts)"It's the UNIONS fault. The workers' demands were what put them out of business."
Seriously- how does one counter that argument? (I know- why try to talk to a zealot...) It's just in my nature to try to find a way to make him "see" what he refuses to see, I guess.
Not Sure
(735 posts)The company would much rather not have to deal with unions, especially in a depressed economy. There are unemployed people lined up looking for work and without a union, they would simply be expendable resources. Job's dangerous? Just hire more people. Someone got injured or killed? Hire more people. That was the approach they took a hundred years ago. It didn't work and unions were formed to protect the workers against it.
Now if the company tells you to perform some task that's unsafe or to use a broken tool or to hurry up and get it done, you can say "no" without getting fired. You better have a damn good reason, but you can refuse. The company may correct the problem, you may be disciplined, there may be a ruling made on the scenario if it's unclear. But with the protection, you won't censor yourself from pointing out something dangerous for fear you might lose your job.
Without the union, this situation is real simple: you're fired. Once enough people get fired, somebody is going to cave in and do the work. Now there's a precedent and this job can be done without the proper tool or now the workers can walk in a darkened area with debris strew about or some other unsafe scenario. For those who refused, well good luck finding an attorney to take your case. You have no income, possibly no proof the company did anything wrong and you're fighting against their bottomless checking account. If it's a right to work state (more like the company has a right to fire your ass without a reason), you are definitely screwed.
There have been abuses on both the part of management and labor throughout history. But any objective look at the income of labor and the income of management will reveal who runs the show. This argument that somehow the nearly powerless employee has power over the employer is as ludicrous as the idea that poor minorities who couldn't afford the home loans they were sold somehow destroyed the economy. Of course, these idiot Fox parrots believe that crap, too.
vanlassie
(5,676 posts)And, sure enough, he does blame the housing crisis on poor people buying homes they "should have known" they couldn't afford. Sigh. Disturbing and aggravating and non stop. But I DID get an agreement of NO FOX tv when I am there.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)The only thing the union workers' "demanded" were that, after working for the company, in many
cases, for their entire lives, they be allowed to retire with health insurance and a modest pension -
- a little dignity to live out the rest of their lives. In other words, the workers "demanded"
they be treated as citizens of a First World country, rather than peasants in a Third World one.
and that's hardly too much too ask. Notice how Bain actually went to COURT to deprive these
people of that: Health Care and a modest pension. These millionaire Mofos actually went out of
their WAY to deprive these people of necessities so that THEY could have MORE luxury,
and that, IMO is ugly, immoral Greed.
vanlassie
(5,676 posts)Its their own fault the poor owners had to find cheaper labor overseas. This is the dyed in the wool bottom line argument - its the unions that fucked up the country ( and still are- don't get him started on teachers). It's so disgusting.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Ask him if he know how much CEO pay has RISEN in the last forty years.
If he reads "America: Who stole the Dream"? by Pulitzer prize winning journalists, Barlett and Steele,
he will learn, for instance, that while American CEO's made about sixty times the rate of pay as the
average worker, they NOW make about Three Hundred Times the rate of pay of that average worker.
All the wealth has gone to the top, and were it not for unions, we'd be at Third World Status NOW,
rather than just on the brink of it.
vanlassie
(5,676 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)When people become too "chalenging" for me, I walk away. That's all I can tell you.
vanlassie
(5,676 posts)dad after work each day to help him and keep an eye on his well being. He brings the shit up and I generally ignore. BUT occasionally a response slips out
whathehell
(29,067 posts)It's nice of you to have dinner with him every day. I'm sure the arguing
business is a little hard.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Especially elance. It's on full display there. Hundreds of educated, intelligent people in the US trying to do editing or programming jobs for $20 an hour, competing against people in India, the Philippines, etc. willing to do the same for $10, $5, even less... Oftentimes, the US-educated workers have the edge when it comes to skill, but it's hard to see them maintaining that edge for long.
It's capitalism at its purest. And it's sad, and even a little scary...
theinquisitivechad
(322 posts). . .How a PE company like Bain reaps profits from forcing these companies into debt? I'd like to have a more firm grasp of the model. Anyone here with some PE wisdom care to drop some on me?
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)and do not have to pay what they owe. That's what I understood from this video. that would be why he shuts down factory after factory.
Take the capital, puts the company into bankruptcy, closes it.
should be in jail, no doubt.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Companies like Bain buy these other companies with borrowed money. That debt is transferred to the company that they bought when they buy it. Then, they lay off most of the workers, sell all of the assets of the company, give themselves large bonuses (usually forming a vampire-like entity called a "management group" on top of it, that sucks out money). Then, when the company is worth nothing anymore, they leave it to shut down and file bankruptcy.
I am currently watching this happen to a newspaper company that has been around a long, long time. The employees have absolutely no clue, and are just holding on to their jobs, having seen most of their fellow employees laid off already. And, before you go on about print not being able to compete with the internet, consider that these companies are often the largest employers in their towns, and they HAVE adjusted to competing with the internet. They have a ways to go, but they will not die and they will recuperate into profitable businesses, if they are given the chance. When companies like Bain come along, they have no chance. And, when they go, the employees go, and so do all of the businesses reliant on them.
If this keeps up, we will have many more ghost towns in America.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)centuries to pay off. Not sure where I read it.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Bain "has cut itself loose from Dunkin, having just sold off the last of its shares a matter of weeks ago (it went public in July 2011), completing the private equity cycle of life. After growing the stock price, while hanging the company with $1.25 billion in debt, Bain sold its stake in the company on August 15, making a tidy $600 million."
From here: http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106820/dollars-donuts-dunkin-employees-take-tampa-protest-romney-and-bain
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)CthulhusEvilCousin
(209 posts)happened to me working for an indirect call center for Verizon Wireless. Verizon decided to pull out and the management let us know we were all going to be laid off by the end of that year. This was back in 2010 up to 2011, so my memory is a bit dim. We weren't bought out by Bain or anything! But I suspect they just decided to downsize but couldn't be honest about it, and didn't want to pay for it, as the rest of this story will show:
So maybe a few weeks later the management comes out and says everything is FINE, that as long as we perform really good that all our fears were over. Suddenly the old management gets replaced by completely brand new people who, honestly, didn't even understand how the call center worked. The supervisors were systematically fired and replaced with lower paid employees. Suddenly, people who had been working there for many years were simply being fired for one reason or another, probably because they were the highest paid and had the longest tenure. Supervisors who had been there for years were supposed to receive a paycheck for every year they had worked there in the event of a lay off, but that disappears if you get fired. One fellow was fired for taking his break at his desk, as there had been, technically, a long standing rule that had never been enforced that we must take our breaks in designated areas. Such had been the case for 4 years where I had never even been informed of the existence of such a rule, but evidently it had always been there. The trainer for many years was let go and replaced by a young kid who had only been working there for 4 or 5 months. I was told by a supervisor that I was on a secret list of employees who were going to get terminated in waves. Rules started to get stricter in how we handled our calls, and goals became harder and harder to reach. People were getting fired for this reason or that reason, and eventually they got me also, despite 4 years on the job and high quality ratings. I would always bonus, since I always achieved even beyond my goals. Eventually the entire place was cleared out as originally predicted. It was a controlled demolition, and that is what I can see in these stories told about Bain in the way they handled the employees. The pattern is very much the same. This is Texas, so the law technically states we can be fired even for no reason whatsoever. And since we were fired, and not laid off, we couldn't collect unemployment, since that comes out of the company's pocket.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)k&r
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)for people. Ruining people's lives without giving it a second thought. What kind of people do that? No one I know or hope to know.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I didn't 100% understand how Bain operated before that. I knew they closed down companies to make money but I wasn't up on how they made money at it. But now I know! They borrowed as much as they could against the company, took all that money, then filed for bankruptcy, and then reduced/eliminated pensions based on being bankrupt. I don't even know how that could be a legal way to operate a business.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Watch Goodfellas. The biggest difference is the Bain executives wore nicer threads.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Excellent. A must watch.
Alwaysna
(574 posts)from when he returned from the Korean war until he retired. It used to called Sheffield steel then Armco steel. He worked in the 10" and 12" mill. I believe he told me that when he started working there the mill employed 7,200 workers. It also supported many small businesses. Are these people, who lost their jobs and likelihoods, part of the 47% of deadbeats and moochers romney doesn't care about?
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)There is a heavy despair hanging like a bad smell in the air. What outsourcing does is never confined to the individual fired. It devastates whole communities. All so some rich crazy douchebag money hoarder can hoard even more money that he will not even spend.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)Romney is not a "businessman," he's a looter.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I have never seen it before, but I hope it is getting a lot of play in a lot of states.
Has anyone seen this air in their location?
Sam
judesedit
(4,439 posts)KauaiK
(544 posts)This video should be posted on every single news media website and forwarded to all news organizations.
What Bain Capital did here is criminal as far as I'm concerned. If Romney is elected via stolen votes, fraudulent voter registration and any other illegal means, it is what he will do to this country.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)These guys want all of the power, and all of the money, and they want us, the workers to bow to them like they are kings. They would create a new serfdom in the US, if we let them. They'll feed you just enough to keep you healthy enough to be a slave to them, and if you dare to get sick, you're gone, just like in Nazi Germany.
The only difference is they have no ovens.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)allan01
(1,950 posts)bain came in and raped these companies with the idear of just destroying them for the money . for get the employees . the stock holders and stake holders , their family's . bain came in mainly for the perks and so fourth of the companies . drained them and left the ruins on the bankruptcy courts floor . the even changed the rules of bankruptcy in their favor . bastards. job creators,, heh, corperate raiders more like it.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Think about it: if that "person," the steel mill, wasn't considered a person, and was just considered a company that can be owned by someone, then that someone who puts it into millions of dollars of debt still owns that debt.
I just witnessed a vulture capitalist "give birth" to yet another entity that saddled the "prey" with debt and forced them to file bankruptcy, and actually had the gall to list themselves as a debtor in the bankruptcy.
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)And, the companies, obviously, are dead after Romney got done "harvesting" them. The jobs are dead, the town is dead.
Edited to add: This is not vulture capitalism. The prey is usually dead, or very near death, when a vulture starts feeding on them. This is SPIDER CAPITALISM. Bain and companies like Bain suck their prey dry, like a spider feeding on another insect, after having trapped it in it's web. A spider paralyzes it's victim, liquidates all of it's "assets" and then sucks all of it's insides out.
EVDebs
(11,578 posts)Bluestar
(1,400 posts)when I was in college (then Armco Steel). It was a terrific place to work. Romney is a blood-sucking viper!
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)the seven plagues of the Bible. Geez!! They're horrible. How could do they do that shit to Americans?
valerief
(53,235 posts)At romneyeconomics.com, it reads:
MIT Sloan School of Management Senior Lecturer Howard Anderson on Romney and his tactics, Boston Globe, 1/14/12
cr8tvlde
(1,185 posts)So take your Vulture "Capitalism" and go home to Ann and plan out what to do with your lives because it looks like you'll be unemployed. We all know she is working hard in the home managing all the domestic staff and taking care of your mental health, so at least one of you will be employed.
Alwaysna
(574 posts)now they would be considered deadbeats!
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Freedomofspeech
(4,226 posts)bastards.
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)former-republican
(2,163 posts)Because maybe that's what it's going to take.