I think Ann Romney is an attractive woman who dresses well.

[cali]

My problem with her isn't what she looks like or her attire. It's what she says and what that reveals about her- that's what I find ugly.

I think it's discouraging to see snarky threads about a woman's appearance. That kind of thread doesn't appear about men. It's women who we insist upon critiquing for their clothes, makeup, etc. And yes, that's sexist and I'm assuming it's women who largely perpetrate that form of sexism.

Haven't we seen that enough? It's the whole women in high heels dancing backward thing and it's still prevalent.

[monmouth]

1. I agree. She's very pretty and though the dress she wore on Leno was not what many of us

would choose, for her it was a special appearance. Many times the "advisers" don't get it right and the person in question gets the blame, if indeed they chose the outfit. It isn't what she wears, it's what she says. Nice post cali..

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. She Is A Very Attractive Women But She Doesn't Seem To Have A Pleasant Personality

What was wrong with the dress?

Laura Bush's appearance was a subject of scorn here which I thought was puerile.

[malibea]

19. Atractive as money can buy.

I think Ms. Romney is as attractive as a "kept woman" can be. She has the coiffed hairstyle and manicured nails and such, so what else can you say? I am sure she has spent her fair amount of time at the health/exercise gym also which doesn't leave much to chance. I am sure it hasn't hurt that she has not had to do any work (outside of the home) either- and had someone else take care of her babies when she was not working!

[DollarBillHines]

32. She's had a lot of work done.

Compare her neck and face in the link below...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1419467

[Zalatix]

79. She was absolutely beautiful in that black outfit, IMO.

But as I said in another thread, Anna from the 2009 "V" series was drop dead gorgeous, too. And demonic right down to the bone.

Ever notice the similarity? Ann... Anna?

Makes you wonder what's under her skin.............

[Worried senior]

2. I am also sure that

she has had a few touch ups along the way. She lives a healthy life-style I'm sure but don't think that accounts for her looks at her age.

[cali]

3. thanks for illustrating what I was talking about.

[Curtland1015]

5. You are right. But men in politics certainly aren't exempt from this.

There are countless jabs at Bush for looking like a chimp and Christie for being fat and Ryan looking like Eddie Munster.

Hell, I can't even pretend I haven't engaged in it myself from time to time. I won't try to defend that behavior, but I do think it's unlikely ever to go away. We're a very "visual" species after all.

But it certainly doesn't hurt from time to time to be reminded that things like this really aren't the issue.

[cali]

6. find me the countless jabs about his shoes, hair, makeup and clothes and

then we'll talk.

[Curtland1015]

9. How are jabs about his hair and make up WORSE than directly making fun of his face?

Also, I'm not disagreeing with you. Just saying that men aren't exempt from the same kind of petty behavior.

[cali]

12. it is different. women are subjected to a scrutiny that's apart from

the kind of jab you're referring to. Worse in the sense that it's sexism that's at play.

[zeemike]

63. I am not being argumentative but it is nature.

Biological nature....men have a different hormone composition than women....and men are stimulated mostly by vision and women not so much...and so women long ago learned that they could attract and control men to some degree by their looks....thus fashion and makeup and hi heal shoes.

I myself can't see any harm in it if not taken to extremes...but extremes comes from being out of balance, and the world is most definitely that.

[4th law of robotics]

118. Saying a man is fat and criticizing his ability to be a president based on that

is different than calling a woman fat and using that to criticize her abilities?

How?

[Confusious]

80. Yea, but

I've never had a guy friend complain about my favorite pair of shorts being beat up, or my favorite shirt having too many holes.

And usually,

Bush = chimp = about as smart
Ryan = Munster = acts like a child

[JI7]

18. Romney wears Mom Jeans

[malibea]

24. It doesn't matter which type of jeans!

It would not matter which type of jeans mitt romney wears, he still would look ridiculous, plastic, phony and stupid!

[4th law of robotics]

117. Men pretty much wear the same thing

Suit, tie, shoes. There's not much to critique. Men don't generally wear makeup either. So . . . yeah not really a fair comparison.

And he's not a politician but I do recall trump has had some people comment on his hair.

And I do seem to remember Schwarzenegger and Obama being pictured with their shirts off and receiving disgust and praise respectively.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Bush* Didn't Look Like A Chimp

I think the "chimp" remark came from how his whole body moved when he laughed.

[Curtland1015]

13. Oh no, they were about his face.

There were plenty of "Bush's face next to a chimp's face" going around.

[JI7]

16. Bush did look like a Chimp, BushorChimp.com , but he moved like one also

which made it funnier

[Warpy]

7. Oh, bring on the snark, please

i don't for one minute think Queen Ann is dressing herself, she's being dressed by Mitt's campaign team who are trying to make a 60 something woman look hip and happening to kids and it's failing miserably.

It's snark worthy because it's such a lie, along with the rest of that campaign.

[cali]

10. in case you didn't get it- though it's hardly nuclear physics-

Ann Romney is merely an example. Use Hillary if you prefer. Or Michelle.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Was She Wearing A Black Leather Dress?

I have seen women her age pull it off...

And this conversation is starting to border on sexism and ageism.

[Warpy]

17. No, but there are things that are more appropriate to her age

and body type than a leather biker suit with a super short skirt. She's already getting flack from the LDS back home for it. The election team failed her miserably and should have gone for dignity, instead.

Like it or not, we get older and our bodies change. Dressing them appropriately is the way to preserve dignity before strangers.

Sexism and ageism deny opportunity, wages, and basic human rights. Trying to whine about them in terms of poor wardrobe choices cheapens the words.

[cali]

23. uh. way to totally distort there.

It was far from a leather biker suit. the skirt fell just at the knee (shocking. how dare a 62 year old woman wear a skirt above the knee). How do YOU know the election team picked it out? Oh, that's right. You don't have a fucking clue whether they did or not.

Her body looked just fine in that outfit. And who the hell you think you are to tell women to dress appropriately is a mystery.

Sexism and ageism are about applying different standards and denying humanity. duh.

But if it's any consolation, your comments aren't too different from freep comments about Michelle Obama.

[RebelOne]

28. I resent the ageism.

I am 73 years old and I would wear the black leather suit, which would look good on women of any age.

[graham4anything]

105. I resent ageism too.

in 2004, I first had my board name, it was for Bob Graham, Sen/Gov of Florida and was my choice for VP (as he was in 2000).
Yet constantly on the original Kerry board at that time, everyone said he was far too old, too ugly, etc. (and not beautiful looking like John Edwards was, what a joke)

And now, I hear it again when people talk AGAINST Hillary 45 Clinton for 2016
saying she is too old. she has lines on her face

Give me a freakin' break.

(Yet no one says anything about Eliz. Warren's age and the two are just a few months apart age wise).

Does anyone comment on Botox forehead Mitt Romney being the same age?

Age and beauty have nothing to do with anything.And should not be discussed on a political board.

sheesh...thank God that FDR lived in a time when vapidness did not rule nationwide, or the master race philosophy was not around. Because he never would have been able to achieve the Presidency because he was handicapped, something that never came into the picture as it did not stop him from being the single greatest modern day president.

So I too resent ageism, sexism, any type of ism at all (except when talking about raw number statistical demographics that do tell a story).

And btw, since when is age a bad thing? Youth is great, but wouldn't it be great if in 25 years from now, we would be able to elect Barack Obama to some more terms and have his few decade more wisdom? (Much like the great Jerry Brown in California is back and better than ever). Doesn't Bill Clinton look and act so much better now in older age? Same with Jimmy Carter.
With age comes even more wisdom.

(btw-did anyone complain about the age or look when she took office of the legendary Golda Meir?)

As for Ms. Romney, I don't know her, I have seen that Mitt has not been overly nice to her from what I can see, but I know next to nothing about her(Morman men seem to treat the woman as second class citizens as if it were 1850 from what I have seen of Mitt and his treatment of her)so I can't comment on her whatsoever, as I don't know her except I know she is mega rich and seems not to understand anyone who isn't entitled like she is.
I do see the polls where President Obama creams Mitt in the woman's vote, 51 to 37 in the last poll, so women don't seem to have a very good liking of Mitt Romney do they?

I would say though she is the type that puts those so uncomfortable plastic protectors over a couch or chair, so riff raff doesn't soil her seats. (making the chairs/sofas impossible to be comfortable in).

[onecent]

31. I have seen women her age pull off black leather

also, and if I recall, they were all a size 3.

I, personally, don't care if anyone calls it sexism OR ageism....

IT'S also called REALITY.

If the shoe fits wear it! And she looked like a whore wearing cheap perfume
waiting to stroll down Rodeo drive. She's OBVIOUSLY pretending to be someone
she ABSOLUTELY is NOT...Why she would probably fire her help for wearing that
very same dress.

Tell it like it is....is my philosophy.and if you no one likes it they don't have to swing on my gate.

[Warpy]

92. Thanks. Her staff really let her down

trying to dress her like a teenager when she so obviously is not, instead of playing up her real assets. Even with all the toads hopping out of her mouth, she is quite a beautiful woman. Had they dressed her according to her age, weight and status, this whole conversation would not be taking place.

[undeterred]

14. The only things I object to are her political views and her taste in men.

Take those away, she's okay with me.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

15. Women do it to themselves.

Why didn't she just wear a simple dress and pretty pumps? Why wear a T-shirt with a $990. price tag on national television...when about half the women in the country don't spend $900. a year for clothing?

I think Ann Romney is an attractive woman, who has more money than fashion sense and if she wants to flaunt that money, she has to take the criticism.

Carly Fiorina made fun of Sen. Barbara Boxer's hair, when challenging her for the senate seat.... Fiorina lost the election, but Boxer updated her hair style after the election....Smart woman that Boxer.

If more women took the same approach to hair styles, make-up and clothing that Hillary Clinton does, there would be less interest in what they wear...and fewer snarky comments.

[cali]

27. So you've never seen Michelle Obama in a 500 buck sneakers?

Michelle Obama also wears expensive clothes.

And women don't do this to themselves. People like YOU do. I liked Ann Romney's leather outfit. You didn't. Why are we even discussing it?

And if Boxer changed her hair because of Fiorini, well that's idiotic.

Oh, and no one has gotten more shit over what they wear and how their hair is done than Hillary. No one. Sheesh. How can anyone not know that?

[Sekhmets Daughter]

34. You've been caught out doing

exactly what you so sanctimoniously condemn others for doing...re: Michelle's shoes.

You could have chosen to take a pass on the entire thread...perhaps next time you will.

[pennylane100]

48. You did not help you case by mentioning the cost of Michele's sneakers.

I agree there is more criticism of women's clothes and looks, although men are no coming under the same kind of scrutiny, and yes Romney does wear funny looking jeans,

Regarding Ann Romney, she dresses quite nicely, and is fairly attractive but all of that cannot cover up the fact that she has an dark evil soul and does not possess one compassionate bone in her body. These are thinks that money just cannot buy.

[noamnety]

33. I have to disagree with this.

"If more women took the same approach to hair styles, make-up and clothing that Hillary Clinton does, there would be less interest in what they wear...and fewer snarky comments."

Making fun of Hillary wearing suits with pants was a national past time when she was running for office - and people still added their own sexist twist to that, referring to her as an "empty pants-suit" instead of an empty suit. (even though a pants suit IS a suit, but it drew attention I guess to the fact that she was dressing too "manly."

[Sekhmets Daughter]

35. I didn't realize

there was so much silly discussion about what Hillary wore....Of course back in 2008 I hadn't yet discovered DU or other political junkie sites.

The only reason I even commented on this thread is because I had seen an earlier posting of this picture...and I really don't like this outfit on Mrs. Romney.

[noamnety]

61. Her suits were even discussed on abc news

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=5656295#.UGeKn03A9nU (linking one of the least offending articles)

It doesn't matter whether women dress to draw attention to themselves, or dress to look businesslike without drawing attention to themselves. It doesn't matter if they spend a lot on clothes, or buy cheap clothes. Any of those options are cause for ridicule.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

64. It would seem so.

But then people also make fun of Mitch McConnell because he looks like a turtle....something over which he has no control....At least wardrobes are a matter of choice. We are a vain and superficial species.

[magical thyme]

20. I haven't seen a single thread about Mitt wearing mom's jeans or...oh, never mind.

We go after their hair (Eddie Munster and Mitt's Ken-doll hair, except when Mitt's hair was all out of sorts after his Libya disaster hit home, like his been nervously running his hands through it). Just like they went after John Edwards' $400 haircut.

We go after their jeans. We go after the shirtsleeves. We go after their lack of lips and their lifeless eyes, except Ann's laser beam glare.

Oh, and we went after the stage makeup when they got it all wrong. Remember how Mittens "dyed his face" orange-brown for his Univision appearance? DU made the MSM with that one for a reason. He got off the plane with a fake, frontal deep tan. That wasn't Univision's doing. That was his doing.

If all we did was go after their appearance, that would be one thing. And we aren't going after what they were born with, except maybe the lack of lips. We're going after their attempts to look like something they aren't.

They aren't hip. They aren't cool. They aren't regular folks. They are pretenders. And oftentimes it shows in the clothes. Ann's biker chic outfit highlighted today was a perfect example of it.

[calimary]

85. Remember Al Gore's earth-tones? And Jimmy Carter's cardigans?

All the time that went on. People used to deride Gore for it. Lots of snarky columns from the likes of Maureen Dowd and others. Some men have to deal with it. Others don't. reagan got lots of comments every time he wore a brown suit. Made brown suits respectable, actually. And of course, while all that went on, EVERYTHING Nancy wore was an issue. But with her, it fed into the "Queen Nancy" stuff that we're seeing to a lesser extent with ayn wrongney.

The bad part was that Nancy Reagan WAS a First Lady while ayn only aspires. And Nancy had champagne tastes and a coterie of designers waiting on her all the time and a strong sense of entitlement and imperiousness. Anyone remember the "Reagan Red" china? She had the White House china replaced with this design in gold and red (her favorite color, which came to be called "Reagan Red&quot . Even though she claimed it had been funded by private donations (more of their rich friends), and didn't cost tax money, it still sent a Marie Antoinette message - she's acquiring all this fancy expensive china, I think it was said to be about $1000/place setting, while the economy was a mess and people were out of work and couldn't afford a decent meal. Very ayn wrongney-ish, insensitive, didn't really think it through, didn't fully realize what impression it would make on the press or the public, and THEY weren't going to see it as "oh this wasn't tax money, it was a donation." They weren't having any of that. It just reminded everybody of the elite, ultra-rich, have's-and-have-more's circles in which they traveled - that the average Joe and Jane didn't.

[sl8]

21. As to your first point, regarding her attractiveness, ...

I'll keep my opinion to myself.

As to your larger point, I couldn't agree more.

I also think that the men's appearance, especially for the candidates themselves, is a factor in their voter appeal. I think that's an unfortunate, albeit very human, shortcoming that most of us share.

The women do seem to receive much more of the trash talk than the men do, though.

[Quantess]

22. Thank you! Fashion Police are superficial.

I wish progressives were less judgmental and prejudiced about the ways people choose to appear, in terms of clothing, hair, tattoos, etc.

What matters is a person's character, actions, personality, achievements, etc.

Besides, Ann Romney dresses well. I thought her black outfit looked good. Michelle Obama has better taste IMO, but they are both attractive women who dress well. End of story.

[leeroysphitz]

25. You LOOOOOVE Ann Romney.

[Zalatix]

81. I do, too.

She's done nothing but shoot him in the foot from the word 'go'.

And after the "Et Tu, Brute'!" moment she just pulled on Mitt Romney, who can't love her?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57522815/ann-romney-if-elected-mental-well-being-mitts-biggest-challenge/?tag=socsh

[leeroysphitz]

89. They are trying to throw this election. Lose on purpose. They must be.

It's the only thing that makes any sense.

[get the red out]

26. I agree

The problem with Ann Romney is her personality, which has come across loud and clear during this campaign. There is no reason or need to try to slam her on appearance with all the crap that comes out of her mouth every time she opens it.

She's an ideal match for her husband, I will definitely say that.

[LeftyMom]

29. I think her outfits are awful and money can't buy taste.

I've seen plenty of comments about Mitt's hair, weird gait, bad makeup/tanning/whatever that orange situation was, and Ryan's ill-fitting suits and resemblance to Joffrey Baratheon 'round the eyes, so I don't think it's a sexism thing.

That black leather/lace getup was WEIRD.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

55. That getup wouldn't be flattering on anyone, regardless of age.

Sparkles, huge buttons, shiny belt, lace, leather (?)... what a mess. The length was unflattering. but not because of her age. And with a less gaudy dress, the lacy shoes just might have worked.

Indeed, money cannot buy taste.

[kestrel91316]

30. I happen to think she is an extremely ugly woman, FWIW.

Beauty is only skin deep.

And if she dresses immodestly, well, she'll have to answer to her husband first, and then bishop (who isn't her husband).

[Raine]

36. For all that money I think her clothes look cheap & are tacky. I also think Mit looks like an idiot

in that ugly red Nascar jacket and the mom jeans and stupid blue checked shirt don't help any.

[Taverner]

37. I don't care how she dresses, she's out of touch rich elitist bourgeoisie scum

[reformist2]

38. I love her, because she's such a terrible liar. ;)

Enjoy!

[lunasun]

87. really? Lies- how about it!

If you have to brag that you actually went to a grocery store or ironed something
you have lost the folks that HAVE to do these things every week

[dsc]

39. She usually does

and as you know I find your point well taken.

[Samjm]

40. Meh

I personally don't find Ann that attractive, but I really wouldn't give a damn if she looked like a beauty queen or a wooden plank. It's a non-issue for me. I don't like her personality (at least the parts we've been shown).

As to her outfits, I think she looked just fine in her Leno outfit. The thing that made me look twice was that it just isn't her normal style. I'm not at all saying she should wear a certain style that suits her age or whatever, just that it seemed an odd choice compared to everything else I've seen her in. I'd look equally odd to people who know me if I were to walk out wearing cowboy boots and hat. It's just not something I normally would wear.

I do agree with your comments about women being judged differently. There was a segment on one of the talking head shows yesterday about how women in politics are judged. They commented that Obama has 2 styles of suits and never has to worry about what he's going to look like - he can just get dressed and be done, while a female politician has to plan her outfits far more carefully. If you think the media would ignore it if she wore the same things over and over, think again. Not to mention hair and make-up.

[ann---]

41. She has

big teeth. I don't think she's pretty at all.

[ejbr]

42. I agree, she should be seen and not heard

Just kidding!

[sl8]

43. I don't know if it was your intent, but this thread's existence, taken in its entirety ...

goes a long way toward proving your point.

[renie408]

44. In general, I agree. I thought the black leather doilie was a weird choice for her.

That outfit did not appeal to me. I thought the whole thing was a little too "Junior League Meets Pretty Woman" for me.

BTW...I do not always love the things Michele Obama wears, either. But I do think MO has really nice taste. I just don't go in for some of the bit, splashy prints she wears sometimes.

[Nye Bevan]

45. Isn't it a DU rule that we have to pretend that all Republican women are ugly? (nt)

[Cobalt Violet]

46. I find her skanky. n/t

[renie408]

57. I don't think that means what you think it means.

I typically hear 'skanky' used interchangeably with 'slutty'.

Come on...Ann is not slutty.

[Cobalt Violet]

95. Well I typically hear skanky interchangeable with ugly and trashy.

So I guess we live in different worlds miles apart.

[noamnety]

62. I find people who call women "skanky"

to be ... well, I'll let you fill in the rest of the sentence.

[Cobalt Violet]

94. Um....... no you fill it in. It's your opinion.

But thanks anyway.

[noamnety]

106. Okay, I find them to be

acting in sexist bigoted ways. It's unattractive - more unattractive than wearing a suit someone doesn't like, because it reveals something ugly on the inside, instead of threads on the outside.

[Cobalt Violet]

108. So I can call men skanky but not women?

The term applies to both in my world.

Ann Romney is a skank!

[noamnety]

109. You CAN do whatever you like.

But if you use sexist language, don't be surprised if people categorize you as a sexist. The word is used to denigrate women and I'm pretty sure you are aware of that. Heck, if you don't know what the word means, you wouldn't be using it.

Regarding your question - do you think calling a white person the N word is somehow not racist, because the target is white?

[Cobalt Violet]

114. And don't be surprise to be called narrow minded if you behave in such a manner.

There is not just one meaning (your meaning) to the word skanky. The word is used to describe something disgusting and I'm pretty sure you are aware of that. Heck, if you don't know what a word means, you shouldn't be criticizing someone who does know for using it.

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=skanky




I am not going to discuss race with you since it has nothing to do with this topic and I find it repulsive of you to even attempt to bring race into this matter.

[noamnety]

120. Quoting from old DU:

"While specific words are not automatically forbidden, members should avoid using racist, sexist, homophobic, or otherwise bigoted terminology. This includes gender-specific terms such as "cunt," "whore," "slut," "skank," or "pussy," and terms with homophobic derivation, such as "cocksucker," which are often inflammatory and inappropriate. "

It's not just me that recognizes your language as bigoted. Someone should tell skinner that he was repulsive to link it in that paragraph in a way that likens it to racist speech.

[Cobalt Violet]

121. I'm on the new DU, not the old DU. So suck it up!

You've called me bigoted one time too many.

[fun n serious]

47. With the money she has who wouldn't be attractive?

To be honest, I found that she has odd shapped jaws and a big face. Her nose is odd for her face and its lessoned by the make-up artist.

[ProSense]

49. Poll: Sarah Palin is Most Attractive

Poll: Sarah Palin is Most Attractive
Politician, Bill Clinton Second

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/09/25/palin-edges-out-bill-clinton-for-most-attractive-in-politics/

Who gives a shit how that twit looks?

[patrice]

50. Not necessarily. Just because it happens to be about a woman doesn't mean it has to be sexist.

Sometimes it just people talking about an area of shared interest, clothes, which happen to be on a woman in a given instance, but were a guy, with substantive style issues presented, he'd get the catty responses too.

This formulaic stuff about sexism and racism damages authentic and more significant instances of sexism and racism.

Sometimes, TTE, "That looks bad on her" only means that looks bad on her.

[progressivebydesign]

70. THANK YOU! Mitt dresses like a Sears mannequin, and there is nothing sexist about that.

I hate when people assume that it's somehow sexist to comment on a woman's bad taste in clothes. We've been Phil Donahued to death...

[patrice]

74. Some of us are just interested clothes and fashion.

Knee jerk "_______" always equals _ _ _ _ _ _ is an error in logic. Context is important.

It's like saying anyone who says "fuck" HAS to be talking about sex.

[Raine]

97. Yes, I know some here think we shouldn't be but

I've always been interested in fashion since I was a little girl and I always will be.

[hrmjustin]

51. She comes of as snobby.

[liberal N proud]

52. Stepford wife

[Tigress DEM]

53. Sorry, but when some people open their mouths it doesn't matter how good looking they are, it's ugly

I feel the same way about men. Had a friend who was going out with a guy and when he opened his mouth he went from looking like this really cool actor to a punk.

Yeah, it isn't about attire, but the spew of words brings attractiveness down into the dirt.

[Joe the Revelator]

54. Oh my god Cali.....

Do you just sit around thinking of shit to be pissed off at DU about????

[Orrex]

56. Appearance-bashing is fairly common toward males as well

Not as prevalent as toward women, of course, but it still happens all the time. Witness the threads mocking McConnell's absent chin, or Limbaugh's toadishness, or Rove's generally oil repulsiveness, to name a few.

Honestly, I wouldn't recognize Ms. Romney if she sat next to me with a name tag.

[eShirl]

104. yup: Newt Gingrich, Chris Christie, Ron Christie

[99Forever]

58. This woman's real ugly come from within.

I agree Cali, I find the whole demeaning game of 'how she looked" says much more about those that do it, than it does their target.



Very lame high school level style bullying at it's nastiest. Yuk.

[MrMickeysMom]

59. I don't equate beauty with fashion....

Fashion is what I'm wearing, anyway. No, I see beauty as the way a person carries themselves. Her general demeanor and movement of expression is very unattractive after about.... oh..... 2 minutes, I'd say!

[mercymechap]

60. Ann Romney is lovely and

I bet it took a lot of effort for her to give a speech that would try and make her sound more like a real person than a Stepford Wife.
All that crap about using a door for a table, come on, Romney has never known "poor", in fact, he probably has never known "middle class" - his father was a governor for Christ sake. She would have done well to just admit that she's a rich bitch and enjoys it, it would have been more true to life.

[Bluenorthwest]

65. What about Chirs Christie's size John 'of Orange' Boehner, GW 'chimpface' Bush?

I recently read that Obama wears 'Mom Jeans', had to look it up. Men are so not expempt from this shit, it's just that you are not a man. If you really want to learn, stick to searching DU for 'Kucinich Elf'. 'Cause he's short, ya see? Keebler is another key word for Dennis. This is from his own Party.
Of late I have become sick and tired of the arguments about sexism that do not just point out sexism, but continue to claim that men are utterly exempt from that which women are subjected to AND that men are totally happy with the things said about them, the things society demands of them.

[tavalon]

72. You've made some excellent points here

We are an equal opportunity shallow group of people. I've never said anything about her appearance but plenty about her personality. I, however, wasn't immune to the Boehner Oompa Loompa reference, nor the same reference with regard to RMoney's similar transition for Univision.

One thing I was called on and have never repeated was teasing Mitt about his "magic underwear". I was chastised for the same reasons and it resonated with me.

[Astazia]

66. I don't give a shit about her clothes it's her "oh did I offend anyone“ snarkiness

& "you people" attitude that angers me. She thinks WE should be happy to have her husbands vast knowledge & experience leading our country. She is a rich entitled woman with little our no compassion for "you people". She wants the prestige & whatever it takes. She disgusts me on so many levels as will as her husband and those like Turd Blossom. They can dress em anyway they want to...they still look like shit to me. They can be who they are, hang out with who they like, say what they feel,...just don't run for the leader of the free world.

We are interviewing them for a job. Our leader of our NATION. That is my only concern..(Senate & Congress as well)

[Dawson Leery]

67. It's not about her looks.

It is about what she and her husband stand for.

[Marr]

68. I could not care less about her appearance. n/t

[progressivebydesign]

69. Her vile personality makes her unattractive, and that outfit looked like a biker prom.

It's screamed I"M SO FUCKING RICH LOOK AT ME!!!!!

[TomClash]

71. Say what you will . . .

. . . but she has no sense of style, grace or joie de vivre. It may be snarky but it's true.

[classof56]

73. Well, you know what they say about assuming...

n/t

[CheapShotArtist]

75. Yeah she looks decent for someone who is almost 3x my age.

And she seems like she might be a nice person outside of the political sphere. Probably many other Republicans and conservatives are like that. It's just something about politics that turns many people looney, though.

[treestar]

76. I agree her nastiness comes from inside

Though I don't think she's pretty - something about her mouth and nose are off.

[ProSense]

78. And on top of that

her husband sucks.

RollingStone Magazine Exposes Mitt Romney’s Real Agenda. Why Romney is Worse than Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021438592

[TahitiNut]

77. I don't regard her as "pretty" OR "attractive" at all. But that's irrelevant.

Even a nice, shiny, new garbage can can be filled with maggots.

[panader0]

82. I don't know or care much about fashion, Ann's, Laura's or Michelle's.

But I have seen several photos or Ann where there is an inner ugliness, something I have never seen in Michelle.
It's like the photos of our POTUS with children versus those of Mitt with children.
Mitt and Ann exude an inner falseness that our POTUS and FLOTUS do not.
Attractiveness comes from within.

[bluestate10]

90. You make good observations. Ann Romney wears a perma-sneer that is a big turnoff. nt

[MessiahRp]

83. To be honest you should be happy people only snipe at her clothes

Most women get ribbed for their choice of fashion and while that seems bad think of it this way, she could be a black President and because of appearance and name be called a Muslim Terrorist. Oh but hey, his clothes... speaking of clothes is terrible.

[Lucinda]

84. I agree.

It wont stop the crap that comes from both sides, but I agree with you.

[ThatsMyBarack]

86. Lipstick on a pig?

eom

[WinkyDink]

88. I side with CHAUCER:

This pardoner had hair as yellow as wax,
But lank it hung as does a strike of flax;
In wisps hung down such locks as he'd on head,
And with them he his shoulders overspread;
But thin they dropped, and stringy, one by one.
But as to hood, for sport of it, he'd none,
Though it was packed in wallet all the while.
It seemed to him he went in latest style,
Dishevelled, save for cap, his head all bare.
As shiny eyes he had as has a hare.
He had a fine veronica sewed to cap.
His wallet lay before him in his lap,
Stuffed full of pardons brought from Rome all hot.
A voice he had that bleated like a goat.
No beard had he, nor ever should he have,
For smooth his face as he'd just had a shave;
I think he was a gelding or a mare.....

....when he came upon
Some simple parson, then this paragon
In that one day more money stood to gain
Than the poor dupe in two months could attain.
And thus, with flattery and suchlike japes,
He made the parson and the rest his apes......

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sometimes ugly is as ugly does, and vice-versa.

[Ter]

91. A lot of Republican women are mega attractive for their ages

I'll say it because I'm not afraid to speak my mind when it's an unpopular opinion. Ann Romney, Sarah Palin, Christine McDonnell, Michelle Bachman, Nikki Haley, and this one other congresswoman from one of the Dakotas or somewhere. Politics aside, I dare say their cream of the crop is more attractive than ours.

[Cobalt Violet]

96. Ewwwwwwwwwww.

So glad we all have different tastes and I don't have yours. Are we just limiting this topic to politicians and or their wives?

[JI7]

101. cream of the crop ?most of those women are a joke . how about kay bailey hutchison

olympia snowe, susan collins etc ? the governor of new mexico. while one can disagree with these women on issues they would still be far more qualified and able to discuss issues unlike the ones you mention. but i guess they aren't hot enough to be considered for anything.

it said a lot that mccain picked palin rather than one of the many other republican women.

[hfojvt]

119. since you mentioned Dakota

I have not seen that much of the woman who won, although she is said to be attractive. But I consider Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin to be quite attractive as well. Ann Romney is also no more attractive than Michelle Obama. Other Democratic Congresswomen from the Democratic side, for a couple examples that I know about, Tammy Baldwin and Gabrielle Giffords are both gorgeous.

[WinkyDink]

123. Sure, "ours." Suuuuuure.

[Waiting For Everyman]

93. Oh baloney.

Ann Romney started the style and class critique. She dishes it out then she can damn well take as much as she's got coming to her -- which is a lot, because that woman has neither style nor class and she abundantly proves that with each outfit she wears and each time she opens her mouth and puts her ugly-shoed foot in it.

http://www.politicususa.com/ann-romneys-47-percent-moment-contempt-country.html

“My horse has more style and more class in its hoof than they (Democrats) do in their whole deal,”

She's a hot mess visually and intrinsically. And any time any of us want to critique her, it's OPEN SEASON, and it's not over till we decide so.

[cali]

98. one more time: this isn't just about Ann Romney

and thanks for making my case: It's what she says, not what she looks like.

I hate to break this to you but whether a woman is attractive, whether she dresses well, etc is a subjective thing.

[Waiting For Everyman]

100. I hate to break it to you, but there are other opinions besides yours.

It's what she looks like as well as what she says. Or would you like to defend the positon that image doesn't matter in politics? That would be pretty silly but you could try.

[6000eliot]

99. It's her attitude and her words that are ugly.

[JI7]

102. there have been a lot more attacks on Chris Christie's Fat Ass

you can't get a thread on him without any mention of his looks.

[Mopar151]

103. She ain't pretty, she just looks that way...

[avebury]

107. I don't find Ann Romney attractive at all because she

is ugly on the inside which shows in her face. I see a hard look in her face. She thinks she is an entitled princess whose time has come to rule over the masses. Look at the "You People" and "It's Our Turn" statements and the way she points her finger at you. Her husband is the one running for office not Ann yet she always is using the phrases like "This is why we are running ...." and so on. Compassion - are you kidding? She evidently had no problem with putting the dog on the roof of the car for a 12 road trip or her husband knocking over their daughter in law in order to win a race. Horses used for therapy for MS - what BS. When she talks about her horses it is all about the beauty of dressage and the Olympics, it is never how the horses were used as therapy for her MS.

Ann Romney is a trophy wife. You see her occasionally speaking before campaign supporters but you never see her talking with children at a school or hospital. You never see her talking with the elderly. They used her to try to make Mitt look more likeable but where has the campaign used her in situations that make her look warm, compassionate and approachable? Back when Obama ran the first time, Michelle not only was able to campaign effectively for her husband but you got an idea of what areas interested her and what issues she would take on as First Lady. Yes the husband is elected as President, but for quite some time, First Ladies have come to realize that they are put in a position where they can effectively champion some worthy cause. You have to wonder if Ann Romney has what it takes to deal with living in the White House. It says a lot when her own husband says that they don't use her a lot in the campaign so that people don't get tired of her. Either it gives an idea of how little Mitt rates her capabilities or he knows that if people get a chance to really know his wife, they won't like her any more then they like him.

[lonestarnot]

110. She's a plastic son of a bitch who would use your Mom as a mud stepping stone to keep the mud off

her 20 K shoes to get to those two fucking cadillacs. She's an ugly bitch.

[Jennicut]

111. I agree and have been guilty of it myself at times.

It is her attitude and how she looks down on people that makes me dislike her.
But she is an attractive woman. She is one year younger then my Mom and I think she dresses appropriately for the most part. The black leather dress was not her finest moment but she is not hideous, skanky, slutty, ugly, etc. Kind of sexist to say any of that. She is a stuck up, snotty and very unlikable however.

[Trailrider1951]

112. Oh please, not this again. For me, Eleanor Roosevelt proved that looks have got nothing to do with

being a great human being and making a difference in the world. Compared to her, Anne Romney's First Lady Aptitude score is well down into the minus numbers, based on factors such as honesty, compassion, and a willingness to work FOR those who are less fortunate. Looks have nothing to do with it.

[Chorophyll]

115. Which is what the OP actually said.

Hello?

[lumberjack_jeff]

113. I couldn't possibly care less what she looks like.

I care about her only because she's Mitt's closest adviser and as such, gives some insights into his attitudes, beliefs and thinking.

Those insights range between unflattering and scary.

I feel the same way every time an OP is posted fawning over Michelle Obama's looks. It diminishes the work she's done. Some day I hope to have the opportunity to vote for her, and I really won't give a shit what she'll be wearing on that day.

[ZombieHorde]

116. Thank you for this thread. nt

[Bucky]

122. I would totally hit that.

I also find Rifalca rather attractive.

[AndrewRN]

124. Not Me

I might be the only person here that thinks that she is not at all attractive. There is something about her face that makes me cringe. It's almost like she is filled with contempt just to talk to us ordinary people.