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annabanana

(52,791 posts)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:35 PM Sep 2012

Every House Republican voted to kill Medicare - EVERY ONE!

On April 15th 2011.

That was a unanimous vote by the Repub Conference in the house to turn Medicare into COUPONS.

If that's not great ammo for down-ticket races, I don't know what is.

I want Nancy to get that gavel back.
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Every House Republican voted to kill Medicare - EVERY ONE! (Original Post) annabanana Sep 2012 OP
I think that we are going to do alot better in the house than they say we are. n/t hrmjustin Sep 2012 #1
where is the tea party?..........oh yeah, they've led the republican party into the wilderness! bocaoma Sep 2012 #2
Hallelujah left-of-center2012 Sep 2012 #6
No make that deafskeptic Sep 2012 #7
No Make That sevenseas Sep 2012 #41
50% of the electorate doesn't understand the coupon issue flamingdem Sep 2012 #3
The first thing I thought about when reading that the Republicans voted to kill medicare is that midnight Sep 2012 #4
The only problem with the "menu" is that it costs much more flamingdem Sep 2012 #5
I see another problem with this expensive route, and it is trying to get rid of medicare the door midnight Sep 2012 #22
Did they actually use the word "coupon" . . . I hope? pnwmom Sep 2012 #9
Rachel Maddow named it that -- voucher = coupon. tosh Sep 2012 #16
No. All the more reason why WE should. n/t eridani Sep 2012 #25
I think the word "Couponcare" would resonate Canuckistanian Sep 2012 #12
I totally agree. They know what coupons are and they don't want them pnwmom Sep 2012 #19
Remind everyone malaise Sep 2012 #8
It is a hugely powerful message. Even if YOU don't use Medicare, Do you want to be annabanana Sep 2012 #10
I hope that people are beginning to wake up enmasse Stewland Sep 2012 #11
Remember lemmings? Delmette Sep 2012 #13
I would like to see the Republicans so angry towards the Tea party asjr Sep 2012 #14
Some graphics to post ErikJ Sep 2012 #15
The DNC should run an ad about that in every district. n/t gkhouston Sep 2012 #17
Scream it from the mountain tops! nevergiveup Sep 2012 #18
Didn't they try this with education? Astazia Sep 2012 #20
the bigger they are, the harder they fall... corkhead Sep 2012 #21
I want the Democrats to get the gavel back... harmonicon Sep 2012 #23
+1 OnyxCollie Sep 2012 #34
This does not AsahinaKimi Sep 2012 #24
K&R. Every Republican voted for CouponCare. Let's get them out of there! Overseas Sep 2012 #26
I would bundle this with pro rape votes......... kooljerk666 Sep 2012 #30
I'd keep them separate. Strong separate ad on Your Guy Voted with Akin and Ryan. Overseas Sep 2012 #35
Oh how I wish ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #27
Hmmmm, I wonder how much it costs for bulk mailed postcards? Zalatix Sep 2012 #29
Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #32
Damn! Is there anyone doing this??? Zalatix Sep 2012 #33
Replace all obstructionist Congressional republicans now! n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #28
Say this again. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #38
I'd love to see Biden charge ryan with doing exactly that in the debates SemperEadem Sep 2012 #31
Replacement Legislators elbloggoZY27 Sep 2012 #36
signage madamesilverspurs Sep 2012 #37
That is beautiful!. . .n/t annabanana Sep 2012 #39
shameless weekday kick. . .n/t annabanana Oct 2012 #42
Kick! sarcasmo Sep 2012 #40

bocaoma

(23 posts)
2. where is the tea party?..........oh yeah, they've led the republican party into the wilderness!
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:42 PM
Sep 2012

i luv the tea party! hope they drop another TURD or two into the GOP.........

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
3. 50% of the electorate doesn't understand the coupon issue
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:46 PM
Sep 2012

this was discussed on Bill Moyers Journal yesterday - the program about ALEC

midnight

(26,624 posts)
4. The first thing I thought about when reading that the Republicans voted to kill medicare is that
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:56 PM
Sep 2012

Is ALEC and this guy: Paul Ryan

How The GOP Plan To Kill Medicare And Medicaid Would Work:



http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/the-reviews-are-in----gops-plans-for-medicare-medicaid-get-an-f-from-advocates-and-experts.php

APRIL 5, 2011, 9:26 AM 21422
On Tuesday, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) will introduce a 10-year budget proposal that would over time eliminate Medicare and Medicaid and replace them with less generous health care plans for the elderly, poor, and disabled. The reviews are in, from experts and advocates, and it looks like there’s gonna be a fight.

Phasing Out Medicare

Starting with Medicare, Ryan’s critics attack his plan as a step back from the single-payer system that, despite looming financing problems, serves the elderly very well.

“There ought to be a TV show called ‘That 90s Show,’” said David Cutler, a Harvard economics professor and one-time adviser to President Obama. “What Paul Ryan has in mind is to recreate the managed care era, do for the elderly what we rejected for ourselves.”

Republicans will be loath to admit this, but the system Ryan has in mind for Medicare works a lot like dread ‘ObamaCare,’ too. He developed it in concert with Alice Rivlin, who used to run the Office of Management and Budget for President Clinton. They propose giving the elderly a menu of private insurance options (think the health care exchange) and then subsidizing those plans based on need (think insurance credits). Thus, in addition to all the questions Republicans will have to answer about the plan from experts and stakeholders, they’ll have to explain why the health care law is terrible for working adults, but a great idea for retirees.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
5. The only problem with the "menu" is that it costs much more
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 05:01 PM
Sep 2012

and that's really the whole point, plus the elderly often make poor decisions about health without help and thus can be exploited..

I can't imagine they'd be allowed to have caps when dread deseases can occur .. so what you'd get is some kind of additional insurance -- none of this makes sense when the boomers don't have much savings! It's death panel stuff

midnight

(26,624 posts)
22. I see another problem with this expensive route, and it is trying to get rid of medicare the door
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:32 PM
Sep 2012

that keeps the single payer option with in reach....

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
9. Did they actually use the word "coupon" . . . I hope?
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 05:44 PM
Sep 2012

"Voucher" doesn't really get the true meaning across.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
12. I think the word "Couponcare" would resonate
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 06:23 PM
Sep 2012

It would be yet another complication for seniors, some of whom are barely able to keep up with basic PLUS supplemental coverage.

The chief advantage of Medicare is it's simplicity. Just apply.... and done.

The "coupons" or "vouchers" proposed by the Ryan plan are still mysterious and nodody knows how they'll work. But even with the minimal information on Ryan's plan, health care insurance WILL go up for seniors.

Simplicity. Sell that.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
10. It is a hugely powerful message. Even if YOU don't use Medicare, Do you want to be
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 05:51 PM
Sep 2012

on the hook for your folks at the same time you're trying to get the kids through school?

 

Stewland

(163 posts)
11. I hope that people are beginning to wake up enmasse
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 06:05 PM
Sep 2012

These Republicans have no shame and i hope that they will loose the House and Senate.What are they thinking? My Grandparents had to fight for and support FDR. My parents generation reaped the benefits of Progressives and my generation saw the decline of progressive policies and programs. Its time to restore and add on to those programs that uplift and create middleclass. What an insane road we have traveled these past 35 tears. I thank Jimmy Carter"s Grandson for helping expose Romney and his cohoarts and their disregard for so many of us

Delmette

(522 posts)
13. Remember lemmings?
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 06:26 PM
Sep 2012

The rodents that will follow the one in front off a cliff? We have to stop these Republican Lemmings. My mother and my son depend on Medicare to be there when they need it. Thankfully both are in good health right now, but that could change overnight. One way to control medical costs is for everyone to be covered by insurance, Medicare or Medicaid. No doctor or hospital bill should go unpaid just to have the cost passed on to future patients.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
14. I would like to see the Republicans so angry towards the Tea party
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 06:35 PM
Sep 2012

denizens, they would spend their time badmouthing them. Make the Republicans feel really stupid for amost ruining their party. And for being so stupid as to allow it to happen.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
24. This does not
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 03:35 AM
Sep 2012

Surprise me coming from a REPUBLICAN party that would deny Veterans a COST OF LIVING increase. BUSAIKU ne!!

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
26. K&R. Every Republican voted for CouponCare. Let's get them out of there!
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:04 AM
Sep 2012

Ads could ask -- Did Congressman R vote for Coupon-Care? Yes. Every House Republican did. We want Medicare, not coupon-care. Let's vote for Congressman D.

 

kooljerk666

(776 posts)
30. I would bundle this with pro rape votes.........
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:09 AM
Sep 2012

Sorry your coupons will not cover the child of your rapist, but don't worry. Oh yea abortion is illegal & the raper will get to visit the love child.

The all voted for ryans aikin-ized bill i believe.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
27. Oh how I wish ...
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:44 AM
Sep 2012

someone would print up a simple mailer that reads:

"On April 15, 2011, Representative {fill in the name of gop representative} voted for the Republican House Member and Republican Vice-Presidential candidate paul ryan's budget that would end medicare as you know it."

Then place one in every mailbox/on every door in these republicans' district.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
29. Hmmmm, I wonder how much it costs for bulk mailed postcards?
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:47 AM
Sep 2012

That's good to put on a postcard. That and the given GOP rep's face, too.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
32. Maybe ...
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:28 PM
Sep 2012

to make it more manageable ... send it to those constituents with households having members 50 years and above. That cohort could drastically impact turn-out AND anti-gop votes.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
31. I'd love to see Biden charge ryan with doing exactly that in the debates
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:11 PM
Sep 2012

also, I want to see boehner hand that gavel back to Pelosi and Pelosi hold it up with a huge smile in victory.

 

elbloggoZY27

(283 posts)
36. Replacement Legislators
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:01 PM
Sep 2012

This group of Republicans get a failure grade as our Representatives in Washington. Actually since they are in Congress for Two Years they are actually Replacement Congressmen.

That's a real HOOT.


Hope the general public realize they are getting Health Care Benefits off of your backs and since they are all rich do not give a darn about us Citizens including those who are Veterans in the past and now.


NO MEDICARE but a Coupon worth on practical terms as WORTHLESS.

madamesilverspurs

(15,806 posts)
37. signage
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:32 PM
Sep 2012

I made a sign for our local race for congress. Here's a template if you'd like to do likewise.



note: I print these 2 to a sheet on Avery 8.5 x 11 shipping labels; they stick great to car windows. I've made others that have lasted for three months so far, so they'll last at least to the election.

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