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BootinUp

(47,171 posts)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:07 PM Sep 2012

A Quick way to disarm Mitt and his zingers

So Mitt uses one of his zingers...

Obama starts out by complimenting him for how well he practiced the zinger and delivered it, then explains how leading the country is more than memorizing zingers.

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A Quick way to disarm Mitt and his zingers (Original Post) BootinUp Sep 2012 OP
That is good! nt avebury Sep 2012 #1
Yahtzee! fugop Sep 2012 #2
if it weren't a cliche.... grasswire Sep 2012 #8
And memorizing 'zingers' won't help when that 3am phone call comes. nt pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #3
That's my #1 reason for supporting Obama Patiod Sep 2012 #12
Now that it is out on public Mz Pip Sep 2012 #4
I agree - zingers entrance the media, but unless there is a previously karynnj Sep 2012 #13
"Bet you $10,000" That wasn't a 'zinger'? louis-t Sep 2012 #15
You hit the nail on the head! flyguyjake Sep 2012 #31
"That's a good one, Willard! May I call you Willard?" Freddie Sep 2012 #5
That's Kind Of How The Big Dog Handled A Personal Attack By Dole DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #6
Yes, I vaguely remember that BootinUp Sep 2012 #9
4 more days until this fun! lonestarnot Sep 2012 #7
I think he should say "Now, don't get ugly." pamela Sep 2012 #10
He should have shot glasses on his podium Schema Thing Sep 2012 #11
But the prez would still be able to use his zingers, right? nt valerief Sep 2012 #14
And then when he uses another, the President says, "There you go again." marble falls Sep 2012 #16
Sounds like Mitt is copying Palin. But Palin's "Say it ain't so, Joe" zinger impressed only her. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #17
I'd simply ask stupidicus Sep 2012 #18
he has zingers? arely staircase Sep 2012 #19
Obama should carry a zinger in his pocket and whip it out and take a bite aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #20
That would be hilarious! -Steph- Sep 2012 #22
Pretty good idea to diffuse them. If done early enough, it'll make further ones sound forced. nt BenzoDia Sep 2012 #21
I think that plays into Romney's hands oberliner Sep 2012 #23
Nah, too many liberals are too wimpy. If hit, you hit back twice as hard. Obama will counterpunch. RBInMaine Sep 2012 #25
In any case, it will be all about the spin oberliner Sep 2012 #37
I think Obama will do just fine, as well. And the internet has already prepped most folks pinto Sep 2012 #28
That could work oberliner Sep 2012 #29
Obama just smiles and says, world wide wally Sep 2012 #24
I thought of this as well. reflection Sep 2012 #26
I am living for this debate sevenseas Sep 2012 #27
Short of Romney tripping and taking a flying leap into the audience and suffering a concussion aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #30
The Zingers come natural for Mitt. fun n serious Sep 2012 #32
YES- and his poor sons- sevenseas Sep 2012 #33
Someone suggested the leak of the zinger story was calculated... pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #34
I think Obama should mention the so-called "zingers" in his opening. pa28 Sep 2012 #35
Best reply.... Red Mountain Sep 2012 #36

fugop

(1,828 posts)
2. Yahtzee!
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:11 PM
Sep 2012

That's exactly what I hope he does. Early on, too, so every time thereafter, Mitt tries to zing and Obama just smiles, shakes his head knowingly and reminds the audience of Mitt's desperation.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
12. That's my #1 reason for supporting Obama
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:49 PM
Sep 2012

I know in my heart he can handle the 3am call. He's proven it time and time again.

Mz Pip

(27,452 posts)
4. Now that it is out on public
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:15 PM
Sep 2012

By time the debate rolls around people will be more focused on hearing a MittZinger than on the content of his remarks.

Mitt is trying too hard to be cute . If he really tries to be funny it will come across as flat and lame. Go for it Mitt!

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
13. I agree - zingers entrance the media, but unless there is a previously
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:54 PM
Sep 2012

known, but not yet baked in truth behind it, it is hard to see how it moves anyone.

Think of the fact that one of the best lines was Benson's that Quayle was no JFK. Great line and it fit the widely held view that Quayle was a lightweight, but it added nothing new. It didn't do much to the results.

However, think of ALL the primaries. Did Romney have any real zingers? Not really - more often someone got him. In addition, he likely though the bet comment was a zinger to Perry. He looked so proud of himself as he did it. Consider his smile/smirk when speaking of Bengazie. If I (shudder to think of it) had to advise Romney, it would be to avoid anything like that because he sucks at it.

To me, what might be the hardest thing for Romney to do is to show the proper respect for the President as he challenges his positions by offering alternatives. (Consider Kerry 2004 who did this very well being both very much the gentleman he is and attacking Bush.) Consider that Romney spent so many years of his life as the boss who others deferred to. That showed in the primaries where his opponents were peers. Not to mention, he is the unpopular guy attacking the popular guy and a popular guy noted for being able to stay cool and calm. His base wants red meat attacks - and many believe in the fantasy RW version of the President - but at the debate the real Obama is there.

I think that Romney needs to avoid anything like clever zingers unless they absolutely fit the question.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
6. That's Kind Of How The Big Dog Handled A Personal Attack By Dole
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:18 PM
Sep 2012

He said something like no personal attack balanced a budget, fed a hungry child, provided a job, et cetera...

BootinUp

(47,171 posts)
9. Yes, I vaguely remember that
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:34 PM
Sep 2012

and Clinton did a superb job there. I don't really think Obama needs suggestions from me, this is just an example of how easy Romney can be handled.

pamela

(3,469 posts)
10. I think he should say "Now, don't get ugly."
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:39 PM
Sep 2012

or "No need to get ugly, Governor." It would be a good way to get it into the narrative that Mitt gets ugly without actually calling him ugly. That's a good word to have attached to Mitt and his ugly followers.

SunSeeker

(51,584 posts)
17. Sounds like Mitt is copying Palin. But Palin's "Say it ain't so, Joe" zinger impressed only her.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 01:31 PM
Sep 2012

You just KNEW something was coming when she asked Biden if she could call him Joe. Then she triumphantly sprung it on him, while ignoring the pending question. Zingers are how you camouflage your ass when resorting to the other Palin debate tactic: ignore the question and just blurt out talking points. Lastly, of course, there's the third of Palin's three debate tactics, the sexy wink. Good luck with that one, Mitt.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. I think that plays into Romney's hands
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:07 PM
Sep 2012

That will make him seem pompous and smug.

I say, stick to the facts - don't worry about the zingers.

Romney looked awful in debates against his fellow Republicans. I'm confident Obama will do just fine.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
25. Nah, too many liberals are too wimpy. If hit, you hit back twice as hard. Obama will counterpunch.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:17 PM
Sep 2012
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
37. In any case, it will be all about the spin
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:40 AM
Sep 2012

Whatever Obama does, the anti-Obama crowd will spin it against him.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
28. I think Obama will do just fine, as well. And the internet has already prepped most folks
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:26 PM
Sep 2012

for the zinger ploy. Would still enjoy seeing Obama making a simple, good-natured jab at the approach, though.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
29. That could work
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:47 PM
Sep 2012

I am just thinking back to Newt vs. Mitt at the Republican debates. I don't want Obama to come across as "bullying" poor Mitt Romney. I think Mitt would like to try to create that impression.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
26. I thought of this as well.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:17 PM
Sep 2012

Something along the lines of "good soundbite, Governor Romney. I see all that business experience you have was in marketing. I may hire you during my second term."

Ok, I wouldn't say the last sentence. But I would say the first two.

sevenseas

(114 posts)
27. I am living for this debate
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:18 PM
Sep 2012

Go, Obama... .... we are rooting for you!

I can just imagine Williard laughing nervously during the debate, and the next day the pundits will be so enthused saying how Romney beat Obama in the debate no matter how badly he actually does...

...kind of reminds me of the morning after McCain picked Palin how the pundits drooled, (I could use another word but trying to keep this clean), going on and on about McCain's incredible brilliance...

So how'd that work out for ya', John?

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
30. Short of Romney tripping and taking a flying leap into the audience and suffering a concussion
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:52 PM
Sep 2012

I have a feeling that he'll be feted by the pundit BSers as the hero of the debate.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
32. The Zingers come natural for Mitt.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:56 PM
Sep 2012

He is an angry man with a lot of hate in his dark heart. Poor poor Ann. I bet she is the brunt of his zingers all the time.

sevenseas

(114 posts)
33. YES- and his poor sons-
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:59 PM
Sep 2012

I'll bet they see him coming down the hallway and try to duck into a shadow before he sees them, just to avoid another self-esteem shattering remark.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
34. Someone suggested the leak of the zinger story was calculated...
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:08 PM
Sep 2012

...so the Romney campaign can harvest ideas from Twitter and the blogosphere.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
35. I think Obama should mention the so-called "zingers" in his opening.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:12 PM
Sep 2012

He's heard how hard Mitt has worked on them and he's looking forward to hearing his devastating one-liners.

Now he's got a nice little narrative established and Romney will look like a fool when he wheels them out

Red Mountain

(1,737 posts)
36. Best reply....
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:02 PM
Sep 2012

....has to acknowledge the zinger, how clever it was, how he must have developed his keen wit in the business world and add......"but at the end of the day, Mitt, you don't get to close down the country and sell the pieces for a profit."

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