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babylonsister

(171,076 posts)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:59 AM Sep 2012

GOP Poised For Epic Fail in Senate

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/9/28/185033/921

GOP Poised For Epic Fail in Senate

by BooMan
Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 06:50:33 PM EST


If you can believe the Democrats' internal polls, Heidi Hetkamp is on pace to retain Sen. Kent Conrad's North Dakota seat. There are a lot of close Senate races this year, but it looks like the Democrats are ahead in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Missouri, North Dakota, and Nevada, and Angus King has the advantage in Maine. The Arizona race is too close to call. Other than Pennsylvania, none of these races are in the bag, but we could be looking at a really strong result on election day.

Currently, the Dems have 53 senators caucusing with them. If things stand as they are, the Dems would lose their seat in Nebraska, but pick up seats in Maine, Massachusetts, Indiana, and Nevada. That would be a three-seat pick up. Winning Arizona would make it a four-seat pick up. The Dems could wind up with 56 or 57 seats. Add in that Joe Lieberman will be replaced by an actual Democrat, and the shift is even better.

Women would have something to celebrate, too. We could add the following women to the Senate:

Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Shelley Berkley (D-NV)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)


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In any case, the assumption has been that the Dems would lose control of the Senate. That is still a real possibility. But it's actually looking more likely right now that the Dems will add a seat or two or four.

That's a testimony to the compelling nature of Mitt Romney's campaign themes.
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GOP Poised For Epic Fail in Senate (Original Post) babylonsister Sep 2012 OP
nice post! bigtree Sep 2012 #1
Lets get busy with the House C_U_L8R Sep 2012 #2
It's been in play since February nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #33
'Epic'. I like the sound of that. randome Sep 2012 #3
Connecticut has a close race going on as well,,, geckosfeet Sep 2012 #4
What do we need to make it filibuster proof? Auntie Bush Sep 2012 #5
60 actual Dems, not blue dogs. hobbit709 Sep 2012 #6
To get to 60, there will have to be Bluedogs in the mix. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #14
I no longer trust ANY blue dog. hobbit709 Sep 2012 #20
We must clean the House of Bluedogs. They are simply closet Repubs. ywcachieve Sep 2012 #26
If democrats win the majority, they can and must change the rules at the start of the Congress. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #15
Perhaps a take-home message to the GOP? Zambero Sep 2012 #17
Uhh, your source is Booman? Iggy Sep 2012 #7
Here's a data source... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Sep 2012 #30
Thank You Iggy Sep 2012 #45
I like this one Kingofalldems Sep 2012 #8
I'm in CT...Dem Murphy is NOT winning. Atman Sep 2012 #9
Overview of Connecticut's Senate Race Xipe Totec Sep 2012 #13
Murphy +2 ProSense Sep 2012 #19
A Woman's Place is in the House and Senate. nt Xipe Totec Sep 2012 #10
Nice! randome Sep 2012 #22
The trends show that a party must have a driving principle beside bluestate10 Sep 2012 #11
DU rec rucky Sep 2012 #12
nebraska is hardly a loss PatrynXX Sep 2012 #16
Sounds good to me dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #18
It's also evidence that voters are tired of vlyons Sep 2012 #21
Angus King is not a Democrat jopacaco Sep 2012 #23
Have you already forgotten Gov. 38%? magical thyme Sep 2012 #25
Florida: Nelson has a slight lead -- might win. SDjack Sep 2012 #24
. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #27
Say that again. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #42
Stop the chicken counting! MsPithy Sep 2012 #28
Normally, I would agree with you Patiod Sep 2012 #32
Don't forget state legislatures nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #34
It's overwhelming, especially as they keep gerrymandering Patiod Sep 2012 #35
This is why the GOP nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #36
You are 100% absolutely correct Patiod Sep 2012 #37
Ain't gonna happen ... UNLESS we G.O.T.V.!!! 66 dmhlt Sep 2012 #29
K&R K Gardner Sep 2012 #31
K & R Scurrilous Sep 2012 #38
I honestly was pretty pessimistic about this at first. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #39
I hope so. jwirr Sep 2012 #40
We are going to win. hrmjustin Sep 2012 #41
I thought Joe Lieberman wasn't up for another two years. tavalon Sep 2012 #43
Since I think Deb Fischer is a tea-party nut, I'm not sure we would be celebrating RFKHumphreyObama Sep 2012 #44

bigtree

(86,004 posts)
1. nice post!
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:02 AM
Sep 2012

Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Shelley Berkley (D-NV)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
4. Connecticut has a close race going on as well,,,
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:14 AM
Sep 2012
In Blue-Leaning Connecticut, Tight Senate Race Has Democrat On Offense


It might seem counterintuitive, but the man running against Republican Linda McMahon in her second attempt at becoming Connecticut's first female senator wants this race to be all about women.

Democratic Rep. Chris Murphy released an ad this week, hammering McMahon's stance on women's health and reminding voters of McMahon's former role as CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment.

Two years ago, McMahon lost by 12 percentage points to Democrat Richard Blumenthal. This year, McMahon and Murphy are competing for the Senate seat being vacated by independent Sen. Joe Lieberman.

Yale University political scientist Eleanor Powell says McMahon, using her vast personal fortune and fame, really never stopped running, although this time she's been aggressively courting women.


I think that she is trying to ride in on Jesse Ventura's coat tails. But she does not have the military cred that he had. She's a wannabe with some cash she doesn't know what to do with.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
5. What do we need to make it filibuster proof?
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:18 AM
Sep 2012

It's so hard to get anything passed without a filibuster proof senate.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
14. To get to 60, there will have to be Bluedogs in the mix.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:29 AM
Sep 2012

The important factor is that those Bluedogs be principled politicians instead of the Ben Nelson cut. Honestly, I think that a Bluedog from the south that has remained a democrat and is willing to run as a democrat is a person that I can sit down and hammer out agreements with. It would be far easier for southern democrats to renounce their party and become a republican, that they stay democrats say something positive about their makeup.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
15. If democrats win the majority, they can and must change the rules at the start of the Congress.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:34 AM
Sep 2012

Harry Reid has hinted that he may change the rules if he remains Majority Leader. A rule change that a bill must be voted on with a simple majority will force the chicken-shit republicans to spill some blood on the floor and carry out an actual fucking filibuster when they want to stop legislation. Reid should also change the rule that allows an anonymous hold on bills or appointments to force Senators that want a hold to publicly push for that hold and win a vote for the hold or rejection.

Zambero

(8,965 posts)
17. Perhaps a take-home message to the GOP?
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:48 AM
Sep 2012

If Democrats can increase their Senate margin on top of President Obama's re-election, it would hopefully convey a message to Republicans that their steadfast obstructionism of the past 4 years did not go over well with voters. The hard righties would not budge of course, but the few remaining moderates (Collins and Murkowski come to mind) might reconsider whether to fall in line with Mitch McConnell's tactics, especially since his blatant campaign to sabotage the President was (hopefully) a dismal failure.

30. Here's a data source...
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:11 AM
Sep 2012
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Senate/Maps/Sep29-s.html. This is my favorite go to site for data, and insightful commentary. Notice that he also offers both the general election and senate maps *without* Rasmusen polling which is known to lean GOP by several points. Here's another site with data on this: http://election.princeton.edu/2012/09/19/post-conventions-senate-and-house-races-go-national/.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
9. I'm in CT...Dem Murphy is NOT winning.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:22 AM
Sep 2012

Linda McMahon is spending a TON of money -- and star power -- running a nasty campaign, and so far it appears to be working. We have our work cut out for us on that one.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
13. Overview of Connecticut's Senate Race
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:27 AM
Sep 2012

9/24/2012 -- Murphy continues to find himself battered by allegations of poor management of personal finances. If this were a midterm election, he would have real problems here, but the general election electorate is probably enough to push him thorugh (sic).

...

(Lieberman) opted not to stand for re-election this year, creating the second open Senate seat in Connecticut in as many cycles. Republicans nominated their candidate from the 2010 cycle, Linda McMahon. Democrats opted for the congressman from the 5th Congressional District -- the most Republican area of the state -- Chris Murphy.

On paper, Murphy should have an edge. But three things have kept the race close. The first is cash: The largely self-funded McMahon has been pounding Murphy on the New York City airways. The second is ethics: Murphy has had some problems with his finances, and other Democrats in the state have been implicated in various scandals, And the third is outsider status: McMahon is about as non-establishment as you can get, while Murphy is a member of a terribly unpopular legislative body. So for now, the race remains close.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/senate/ct/connecticut_senate_mcmahon_vs_murphy-2111.html

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
11. The trends show that a party must have a driving principle beside
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:24 AM
Sep 2012

hate and paranoia driving it. Scott Brown has come unglued in Massachusetts, but he has a lot of money backing him. Elizabeth Warren must continue to lay out a positive policy agenda and parry back the increasingly desperate attacks from Brown.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
21. It's also evidence that voters are tired of
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:06 AM
Sep 2012

obstructionist Reps. The GOP has nothing to offer except corruption, bigotry, a return to Geo. Bush policies, and foreign wars of adventure.

and oh, fear-mongering.

jopacaco

(133 posts)
23. Angus King is not a Democrat
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:21 AM
Sep 2012

Angus King is a Maine Independent who refuses to say who he will caucus with if he wins. Why is he being listed as a potential Democratic pickup? His campaign office is even saying that he has no need to caucus with any party. How is that supposed to work in the Senate?
The DNSC is now running adds in the state opposing the Republican candidate and they have not yet endorsed any candidate. How can the DNSC not endorse the Democrat who won the primary election? Cynthia Dill did not get my vote during the primary but she won the election. I can understand that with a finite amount of money, the DNSC might not be able to support a candidate who is down in the polls. There is absolutely no excuse for them not even endorsing the Democratic nominee.
I never voted for Angus King when he ran for Governor. Until he states that he will definitely caucus with the Democrats, I will not even consider voting for anyone other than the Democratic nominee, Cynthia Dill.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
25. Have you already forgotten Gov. 38%?
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:49 AM
Sep 2012

You know, I drove past an old Dexter's shoe outlet store a couple weeks ago. You remember Dexters? Shoes that were made in Maine?

It's been replaced with a fireworks outlet. You know...fireworks that are imported from China. That's Gov. 38%ers idea of creating jobs in Maine -- legalizing home fireworks. Well, I suppose sooner or later it will start increasing ER check-ins, so may help the healthcare industry

How about teabagger obstruction in Congress? Remember that? How much better shape would the country be in if we didn't have teabaggers obstructing Obama's every move?

Angus King is left-leaning and well-liked here. The top-tier dems, such as my rep, Chellie Pingree, opted out of running for the senate seat *immediately after* Angus King announced he was running. There was a reason for that.
We can't afford a repeat of Gov. 38%. Instead, the lesser known, "2nd tier" dems are using this election as a chance to garner name recognition for future runs.

Angus King is an old-style, sane politician. That means what he says now may not be what he does later. But unlike teabaggers who are out to destroy everything, what King does will help bring some bacon to Maine, which we desperately need. In other words, he will use his status as independent as a bargaining chip, which all pols do. But he'll also do the right thing when the chips are down.

I strongly suggest Maine dems do what I did in '10. I waited until late in the game. When it became clear that the dem candidate (I can't even remember her name now) with only 20% in the polls and 2 weeks to go had zero chance, I voted independent to try to protect us from the teabagger. Had more dems done that, we wouldn't be suffering under Gov. 38% today. Independent may not be perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better that teabagger stupidity.

By all means, tell pollsters you're voting dem no matter what. But when push comes to shove, please, please, please vote against another teabagger. Please.

MsPithy

(809 posts)
28. Stop the chicken counting!
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:17 AM
Sep 2012

As in, before their hatched. The republicans have billions in untraceable cash to drop into senate races. And, there is the voter suppression.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
32. Normally, I would agree with you
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:18 AM
Sep 2012

But I actually think that the chance to win is energizing Dems, rather than prompting them to sit back and relax.

It should energize us to show up at campaign HQ, make that extra donation to a tight race, or walk that extra block - we can not only ensure Obama wins, but this year, we have the chance to shore-up the Senate and chip away at the House if every one of us just gives a little bit more.

PS -- Here's a shout out to the folks from totally safe or totally hopeless areas and hop on buses to pitch in on nearby races that are not safe or not hopeless. SCs helping out in NC, and folks from DC who pitch in on races in VA, PA or OH - I'm looking at you! Here's hoping the bus is clean, the company is good, and the sandwiches aren't too soggy!

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
35. It's overwhelming, especially as they keep gerrymandering
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:29 PM
Sep 2012

I'll be totally honest - until I became a committeeperson, I didn't have any idea who represented me locally because they keep re-drawing the districts.

In addition, my immediate neighbors aren't even in the same district I am. I don't know how people who aren't attending regular committee meetings are keeping up with this nonsense.

I meet with local Dems for ONE township, and this ONE township is divided into FOUR different state legistlative districts. The Republicans have divided the mostly-Democratic areas up so that they have the least possible influence. So in our county, Dems have out-registered Republicans 3:2, and yet NOT ONE of the county's state representative is a Democrat, thanks to legislative districts that extend way far out into rural PA.


 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
36. This is why the GOP
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 01:07 PM
Sep 2012

Makes it a priority to take over local government. They get it.

Me, not a member of either, or any political party...as a reporter can't afford to...but it is baffling how dems forget about THAT ground game.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
37. You are 100% absolutely correct
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 01:23 PM
Sep 2012

They started with the school board elections around here.

Tough though it is to get through to the average voter (like I used to be), we need to work on it.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
39. I honestly was pretty pessimistic about this at first.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 06:55 PM
Sep 2012

Even as late as this spring, I was expecting a Republican House & Senate, without election shenanigans. But it seems I had definitely underestimated the effectiveness of the Democratic Party's support & campaigning machine. Frankly, I think part of this is because of a significant number of people are beginning to wake up to the bullshit that's been going on around them, and Mitt Romney's failure as a candidate has even helped multiply the numbers of sane Republicans crossing over to vote Obama.....or at least for a third-party or sit out altogether.

RFKHumphreyObama

(15,164 posts)
44. Since I think Deb Fischer is a tea-party nut, I'm not sure we would be celebrating
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:14 PM
Sep 2012

if she got elected in Nebraska

But I hope the rest is true

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