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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 02:51 AM Sep 2012

Bum Rap—Joe Biden and the Neil Kinnock speech

Last edited Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)

This isn't apropos of anything, but it's always good to remember the truth beneath the popular mythology.

Everyone knows that Joe Biden was drummed out of the 1988 primaries for passing off a Neil Kinnock speech as his own life story. (He credits being forced out of the race as having saved his life—a check-up he had been putting off while busy campaigning discovered a serious brain aneurysm.)

What I think is less well known is that Joe Biden never actually tried to pass off Neil Kinnock's reminiscences as his own words, let alone his own life story. The extended quote from the Kinnock speech was part of Biden's stump speech. He delivered it time and again, prefaced with saying that he wanted to quote this really awesome thing from a Neil Kinnock speech that reminded him of his own upbringing.

(I only learned this in 2008 from a TV documentary about Biden's career made after Obama picked him for VP.)

One day he forgot the attribution (Biden is guilty then, as now, of being kind of free-style when he gets rolling), and a creature named Maureen Dowd happened to be in the audience as a reporter. And Ms. Dowd recognized the Kinnock speech and thought that her brilliant recall had blown open the story of the year.

At the time, Ms. Dowd was a working journalist (she's an op-ed writer today) who got the overblown story on the front page of the New York Times under her byline without noting that the same 'plagarized' material had been delivered, attributed by Biden to Neil Kinnock, many times in the preceding days and weeks.

There was really no story there. But Biden decided the contrition route was best, so he went way overboard in apologizing, which made it sound like he was apologizing for something serious.

So why was he forced out of the race? Because it was 1988. There wasn't 24-hour political news, or the internet, or cable news. (The 1991 Iraq War was what first made CNN a big deal.) Not everything was videotaped. Not everybody knew everything about everything.

So if you were a long-shot primary candidate and there was a front page story in the NYT saying you were a plagiarist and liar and perhaps delusional that was pretty much it.

Today Biden's team would have quickly released a video reel of him attributing the quote over and over in other speeches and it would have blown over.

(For comparison, consider that Ronald Reagan, who was president in 1988, routinely did things like claiming incidents as part of his personal biography that were things that had actually happened to characters he played in movies.)

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Bum Rap—Joe Biden and the Neil Kinnock speech (Original Post) cthulu2016 Sep 2012 OP
How very nice of you to post this -- thanks. gateley Sep 2012 #1
. cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #2
I see that a lot. renie408 Sep 2012 #4
I don't know if it has a meaning. I was just self-kicking the OP cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #6
Ah! renie408 Sep 2012 #7
Always bears repeating... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #3
Thankfully, in the long term, it didn't destroy him. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2012 #5
The good people of Delaware kept sending him back again and again -- they knew who they had gateley Sep 2012 #9
Agreed PatSeg Sep 2012 #10
Not crediting Kinnock at the time PatSeg Sep 2012 #8

renie408

(9,854 posts)
7. Ah!
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:51 AM
Sep 2012

LOL...I have tried to figure out what it means! I figured it was some kind of DU shorthand that I had missed. I guess in a way it is.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
3. Always bears repeating...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:45 AM
Sep 2012

Wingers routinely accuse Joe of plagiarism based on this incident.

Often wondered in Dowd ever acknowledged that her reporting was incorrect. I doubt it, but one can hope.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,216 posts)
5. Thankfully, in the long term, it didn't destroy him.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:45 AM
Sep 2012

The guy ended up as Vice President, and that's nothing to sneeze at.

Joe Biden strikes me as being one of the most down to earth, approachable men in Washington. And that's why he's an asset to the ticket and to the administration, despite all that his critics try to pin on him.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
9. The good people of Delaware kept sending him back again and again -- they knew who they had
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 01:50 PM
Sep 2012

And that this was bullshit.

And I agree -- I think he's the MOST down to earth and approachable guys in DC -- I really can't think of June else quite like him.

PatSeg

(47,649 posts)
8. Not crediting Kinnock at the time
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:58 AM
Sep 2012

was unfortunate, but understandable if you realize all the things that were going on in his life at the time. He was chairman of the Judiciary Committee when Robert Bork was nominated and he was suffering from severe headaches that later turned out to be the result of an aneurysm that almost killed him.

Because of Joe Biden, Robert Bork was not confirmed and of course, he survived the aneurysm. Unfortunately the stain from overzealous journalists has stuck over the years. I'm quite sure George H. W. Bush was relieved that he never had to run against Joe Biden.

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