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UCmeNdc

(9,601 posts)
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 08:52 AM Sep 2020

MSNBC's Heilemann explains how Trump will exploit COVID-19 to steal the election

‘Their strategy now is very clear’: MSNBC’s Heilemann explains how Trump will exploit COVID-19 to steal the election


MSNBC’s John Heilemann warned that President Donald Trump doesn’t even seem to be trying to win a fair election anymore, and instead is exploiting the coronavirus pandemic to steal the election.

The “Morning Joe” contributor said the president was trying to widen the partisan gap between in-person and mail-in voting so he can challenge any vote that’s not physically cast on Nov. 3.

“Trump has focused explicitly on, how do I win the gameday vote?” he said. “How do I get my core base supporters to come out on Election Day, so on the gameday vote, I can put a flag in the ground and say, I won Pennsylvania on Election Day, in-person voting, and then after Election Day, all of those other votes, those tens of millions of votes that come in by mail, that have come in early, many of which are not going to be counted until after Election Day, then engage in a knife fight in the counting rooms, in the validation-certification process, in the courts, in the Electoral College, in the House of Representatives, ultimately.”


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/their-strategy-now-is-very-clear-msnbcs-heilemann-explains-how-trump-will-exploit-19-to-steal-the-election/

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MSNBC's Heilemann explains how Trump will exploit COVID-19 to steal the election (Original Post) UCmeNdc Sep 2020 OP
If that happens prepare for a civil war. SlogginThroughIt Sep 2020 #1
No bet. It will happen. roamer65 Sep 2020 #19
He will steal it if we let him. n/t tetedur Sep 2020 #2
DUH . . Iliyah Sep 2020 #3
I agree. IMO he won't win on election day. He's 10 points down now... brush Sep 2020 #5
That's what I keep coming back to Sugarcoated Sep 2020 #12
It is VERY tenuous Cosmocat Sep 2020 #20
Even with a GOPer Supreme Court, that isn't going to work. Hoyt Sep 2020 #4
It worked in Florida edhopper Sep 2020 #6
You can also say.. DemsIn2020 Sep 2020 #7
Yep edhopper Sep 2020 #8
OMG just stop obamanut2012 Sep 2020 #17
Not even the same. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #9
The scenerio edhopper Sep 2020 #11
The scenario doesn't concern me as much as people being scared away from actually voting. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #13
That too edhopper Sep 2020 #16
Exactly. Hoyt Sep 2020 #15
Not even close to the same obamanut2012 Sep 2020 #18
It will be worse edhopper Sep 2020 #21
Heilemann seems all torn up about this BeyondGeography Sep 2020 #10
Some people still just have to gin up that horse race. Disgusting. nt crickets Sep 2020 #14
Yes, Trump very clearly has told us what he is going to TRY to do. ooky Sep 2020 #22

brush

(53,970 posts)
5. I agree. IMO he won't win on election day. He's 10 points down now...
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 08:59 AM
Sep 2020

and it will be worse after that hot mess of a performance last night. He's losing bad and he knows it.

Sugarcoated

(7,736 posts)
12. That's what I keep coming back to
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:40 AM
Sep 2020

All the experts and journalists make it sound like Trump's scheme to take the count of mail in ballots to court/challenge of the ballots is a almost a given, but can that ploy actually work if Biden wins all the states he needs to win on election night? The election night results in FL, NC, OH seem possible but the blue wall states, MI, WI & PA, possibly AZ are looking like outright wins on election night for Joe.

Cosmocat

(14,583 posts)
20. It is VERY tenuous
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:46 AM
Sep 2020

at what point till now has the normative system NOT buckled to him?

He stone walled Mueller, who never interviewed him, just did a half assed paper interview and due to them flat refusing to cooperate wrapped it up with SO much left unaddressed, then Barr held back his report to do his own report spinning it,

He ran roughshod over impeachment, again refusing to cooperate as he should, and the Senate completely rolled over.

He has totally evicerated the emoluments clause.

Kids are STILL locked in cages.

He used tear gas on citizens to do a shitty photo op in front of a church.

Everything Heilman layed out here IS going to happen.

Maybe it breaks our way, maybe it doesn't .

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
9. Not even the same.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:24 AM
Sep 2020

Florida wasn't about the initial counts. Florida was about a recount. The Supreme Court ruled against Gore in that regard because he was advocating for only a partial recount and since the state has different recount procedures, or did in 2000, based on county, it was ruled unconstitutional under the Equal Protection Clause.

Nothing in this scenario is similar to that and we wouldn't be dealing with the idea of an actual recount but the initial count.

edhopper

(33,653 posts)
11. The scenerio
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:28 AM
Sep 2020

of one Party's goons disrupting the counting is the same.
Only this time it will be in multiple States.
Count or recount, the same tactic.

BeyondGeography

(39,393 posts)
10. Heilemann seems all torn up about this
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:24 AM
Sep 2020


He makes a plausible point, but he’s just a professional pot stirring buck chaser. Just like his old buddy Mark Halperin. Gives me the creeps.

ooky

(8,933 posts)
22. Yes, Trump very clearly has told us what he is going to TRY to do.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 11:07 AM
Sep 2020

Won't work. He's fucked. He fucked himself.

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