Time To Impeach (Again)

[berni_mccoy]

There are so many good things to Impeach on, but now we have him red-handed in the cookie jar. ITMFN!

[Kid Berwyn]

1. Hear hear!!!

And every one of his enablers, appointees, and co-conspirators.

[llmart]

2. +1000

[Demsrule86]

3. Waste of time, money etc...win the election. That is what we need to do period.

[Zoonart]

4. Impeachment puts the brakes on the SCOTUS hearings.

It bumps everything else from the Senate schedule. N/T

[dware]

8. No, it doesn't.

https://lawandcrime.com/politics/impeachment-expert-dismisses-possible-tactic-to-stop-new-trump-justice-from-joining-supreme-court/

Ross Garber
@rossgarber
Impeachment wouldn’t slow the Senate down. There’s no requirement that an impeachment trial precludes all other Senate business or that a trial occupy much Senate time at all. (Remember, Trump impeachment trial had no witnesses.)

[berni_mccoy]

12. Yeah but it will open the door to impeaching the Judge after the fact

No President who is convicted by Impeachment should be allowed to have their SCOTUS picks stand.

[dware]

13. Do you honestly think that impeaching Kavanaugh will result in his being convicted

and removed?

And the Mango Menace was never convicted, he was acquitted in the Senate, where the "trial" was conducted, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Again, despite what some believe, an impeachment will not slow down the Senate R's from confirming ACB.

We need to concentrate on winning the election, nothing else matters at this point.

[berni_mccoy]

14. Depends on who controls the Senate next year.

[dware]

15. Do you see us gaining 20 seats in the Senate?

That's how many we need to win to have the necessary votes to convict and remove him.

[berni_mccoy]

17. We will gain some. And there is time between Jan 2 and Jan 20 to do it

The charges of tax avoidance will be clear cut. Let the new / remaining GOP senators try to explain that away.

[dware]

19. It doesn't matter if the Mango Menace is impeached again,

we're not going to have the votes in the Senate to convict and remove, it takes 67 Senators voting to convict and remove him, just where do you see the votes necessary?

[berni_mccoy]

20. You won't know unless you try.

[dware]

22. You didn't answer my question,

just where do you see 67 Senators voting to convict and remove him?

My focus is on winning the election, not some pie in the sky dream that has no chance of succeeding.

[berni_mccoy]

23. New Senate under Democratic control will bring more D seats

And will have more sway over moderate Republicans to stand on the just side of History. If you don’t hope for that you may as well give it up.

[dware]

25. Not going to happen,

even if some of the Mod. R's did vote to convict and remove, it will still fall far short of the needed 67 Senators.

I'm not giving up, I'm just concentrating my attention on what is feasible, and this isn't.

[berni_mccoy]

28. So you say

[dware]

30. No, logic and numbers say so.

It's a great goal, it just isn't going to happen anytime soon.

[berni_mccoy]

31. Logic is not applicable to political matters

What matters is who has the power. Things will change when R’s don’t have it.

[dware]

35. We can argue back and forth on this,

but the plain simple fact is that we don't now, or in the near future, have the necessary votes in the Senate, even after the elections, to convict and remove him.
The numbers don't lie.

Impeachment is not going to slow down, nor stop, the confirmation of ACB.

[dware]

36. Before I take off,

I just wanted to thank you for a spirited, yet insult free discussion.
Have a great week and keep up the good fight, our nation's survival depends on people like you and me and all of DU and everyone who is working to defeat this criminal org. currently in our nation's home.

[berni_mccoy]

38. Agreed. Have a great week as well.

[PTWB]

16. No it doesmt

Removing someone via impeachment takes 67 votes - we will be incredibly lucky to have 51.

[uponit7771]

5. K&R, the impeachment should involve laws on books and last at most 1 week. The point is to say ...

... something is wrong vs going on TV with harsh words.

[Squinch]

6. I totally agree. It could be done very quickly, and I think it's important that we distinguish him

for all time as the only president impeached twice.

[Buckeyeblue]

7. I think only if Republicans have a backroom deal to convict.

Otherwise, I don't know what we gain.

[MineralMan]

9. It's too late for that, and the Senate wouldn't vote to remove.

We need to focus on winning in November, and nothing else.

[dware]

10. It also doesn't stop or delay the Senate hearings on confirmation of

his SC nominee, despite what some believe.

You are 100% correct, We need to focus on winning in November, and nothing else.

[MineralMan]

11. That is also true.

There is literally nothing to be gained by impeaching Trump now. He has already been impeached once. That is part of his history now. Remind people of that.

[berni_mccoy]

18. I'm thinking Impeachment trial can occur

When the new Senate is seated and before Jan 20

[MineralMan]

21. When Trump loses on November 3, he will resign before

inauguration day. He has to do that, so Pence can pardon him on federal crimes he has committed.

I have been predicting that for quite a long time here. He cannot end his presidency in the usual way, or he will end up in a federal prison for the rest of his miserable fucking life. So, he will resign before January 20 so Pence can become President and pardon him.

Simple as it gets.

[berni_mccoy]

24. He'll still end up in Prison, federal or otherwise

Pence can’t pardon him for things he’s not aware of.

[MineralMan]

26. Read Ford's Pardon of Nixon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-4311-granting-pardon-richard-nixon

[berni_mccoy]

27. If Pence replicates that, Trump is fucked

He’s committed these crimes before he was President.

[MineralMan]

29. Pence will probably expand it to include

the time before he became President. The language will be provided by William Barr and reviewed by other legal scholars.

While Pence can only pardon Trump for federal crimes, the likelihood of state prosecutions will be reduced by that pardon. As far as I know, no state has prosecuted a former President for anything. That is a precedent that is unlikely to be broken.

[berni_mccoy]

32. So you say

[MineralMan]

34. Yes, of course.

It's me writing this, after all.

[berni_mccoy]

39. Lol yup

I Appreciate your discourse, sir.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

33. Bookmark for the event of a second term.

Obviously impeaching a month before the election makes zero sense, so no on that.

[Bonx]

37. I like this idea a lot. Do it right now.