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Siwsan

(26,291 posts)
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 10:40 AM Sep 2020

Some wise words from Jason Alexander

I just got home from my weekly errand run and saw just one unmasked individual, in a parking lot. She was elderly and obviously physically compromised so maybe she had a legitimate medical reason to not wear one. Everyone else was totally compliant with both masks and social distancing. This has been my experience, in my part of the county, for the vast majority of this pandemic, where we have some of the lowest numbers IN the county.

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Some wise words from Jason Alexander (Original Post) Siwsan Sep 2020 OP
Some people have a fucked-up view of rights Cirque du So-What Sep 2020 #1
And those same people would probably hate Abraham Lincoln. calimary Sep 2020 #27
By the same token Cirque du So-What Sep 2020 #30
Our gigantic obstacle.....they did not have this young_at_heart Sep 2020 #2
The BBC also wasn't Fox or Hate-speech radio either. CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #8
You shouldn't insult Mary Todd that way. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #20
I should have phrased that better. CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #28
Mary Todd Lincoln was an educated woman. She suffered from clinical depression Texin Sep 2020 #38
If you're referring to Mary Todd Lincoln, SunnyATT Sep 2020 #22
Please check out my reply #28. CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #29
It goes well beyond him Cosmocat Sep 2020 #23
Some people qazplm135 Sep 2020 #3
They don't want us to tell them what to do with their bodies. CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #10
Alexander is speaknow Sep 2020 #4
He is using one of the analogies I have used ms liberty Sep 2020 #5
I drive at night without headlights. JohnnyRingo Sep 2020 #6
Glad I live in a blue state RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #7
me too. Our governor is great. CTyankee Sep 2020 #15
Yeah. Me too. calimary Sep 2020 #18
Here in NY, I recently visited an area upstate with Trump signs all over... NYC Liberal Sep 2020 #35
I remember my Mom telling me about Bev54 Sep 2020 #9
If Fox News had been around during the Blitzkrieg... Initech Sep 2020 #11
My contrarian side says, Londoners in WW2 were probably taught to all think alike Beringia Sep 2020 #12
Only reason repugs are anti-mask is because their "stable?" genius tells them so. KS Toronado Sep 2020 #13
Siwsan......Excellent..... Upthevibe Sep 2020 #14
Having mask off in parking lot. I see lots putting on as they enter and take off as they leave. LizBeth Sep 2020 #16
Yeah, once outside it's not so critical, just maintain distance. forgotmylogin Sep 2020 #19
I never wear a mask outside, unless I would happen to be somewhere very crowded. BusyBeingBest Sep 2020 #33
I walk dog twice a day and almost none of us old cautious staying home old people do. I have one LizBeth Sep 2020 #34
Just like Trump thinks having gold colored furniture makes him look wealthy, he is world wide wally Sep 2020 #17
Londoners, and pretty much everyon else in Europe during WWII PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #21
Oh but my rights! MY rights! calimary Sep 2020 #24
There were volunteer Air Raid Precautions wardens enforcing the blackout and other safety measures. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2020 #25
Their leaders played a big role. Sanity Claws Sep 2020 #26
My mom enforced blackouts in PA during the war when she was 12. oldsoftie Sep 2020 #31
KNR Lucinda Sep 2020 #32
KR! Cha Sep 2020 #36
Those who are screaming about their constitutional rights forget... pazzyanne Sep 2020 #37

Cirque du So-What

(25,984 posts)
1. Some people have a fucked-up view of rights
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 10:46 AM
Sep 2020

The phrase (commonly attributed to Abraham Lincoln), ‘ My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins‘, will probably draw anything from a bovine gaze to getting shot.

calimary

(81,487 posts)
27. And those same people would probably hate Abraham Lincoln.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:17 PM
Sep 2020

Probably would try to find some way to impeach him.

Cirque du So-What

(25,984 posts)
30. By the same token
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:28 PM
Sep 2020

those selfsame cretins would claim Lincoln as a Republican and call the Democratic Party the party of slavery and the KKK.

young_at_heart

(3,772 posts)
2. Our gigantic obstacle.....they did not have this
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 10:48 AM
Sep 2020

They did not have the worst leader/president in history!

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
8. The BBC also wasn't Fox or Hate-speech radio either.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 11:28 AM
Sep 2020

Yet "Mary's uncle" compares himself to Lincoln and Churchill. His fine brain only compares with Mary Todd.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,898 posts)
20. You shouldn't insult Mary Todd that way.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:34 PM
Sep 2020

Seriously. I know she had her issues, but she wasn't deliberately cruel to people.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
28. I should have phrased that better.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:49 PM
Sep 2020

There was no malice toward the First Lady. I began with sarcastically using "fine brain" of the Great Pumpkin, who is unaware of his emotional, cognitive, and psychological shortcomings. He's a self-proclaimed stable genius who is neither. Remember the Moral Majority? Same backward logic.

Texin

(2,597 posts)
38. Mary Todd Lincoln was an educated woman. She suffered from clinical depression
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 10:20 AM
Sep 2020

in an era well before diagnosis and treatment of mental disorders were treated as part of the human condition for those affected. BTW, her husband also suffered from depression (and between the two of them, they had a heaping helping of things to make even the strongest human being buckle).

SunnyATT

(56 posts)
22. If you're referring to Mary Todd Lincoln,
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:49 PM
Sep 2020

she was well educated studied literature and spoke French fluently. His "fine brain" can only be compared to other "useful idiots" and "despot" wannabe's.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
29. Please check out my reply #28.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:06 PM
Sep 2020

My intent was about her mental illness (respectfully). I know she was educated and he's uneducable (because he already knows everything). No malice at all toward anyone with Ms. Lincoln's issues.

Trump's purpose in life is to hurt as many people and other species as possible. It's the only thing that makes him happy. It isn't enough though, as he's resorted to killing and even celebrated the rubber bullet that struck Ali Velshi. Your despot reference is spot on.

My words are intended to hurt him and his cult followers. I seriously hope he reads my posts because figuratively, it's like the Three Stooges emptying a table full of cream pies on a roomful of snobs.

Cosmocat

(14,573 posts)
23. It goes well beyond him
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:50 PM
Sep 2020

They did not have a relentless profiteering network of hate filled propogandists like Faux, countless Rush Limbaugh's, all the well funded "think tanks" etc. that created 45 in the first place, and have 40% of the country tweaked out like meth addicted canabilistic zombies.

speaknow

(321 posts)
4. Alexander is
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 11:19 AM
Sep 2020

right, but that might be to hard
for 41% that wants FRB. It only shows
how many screw ball are on
the loose in this country!

JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
6. I drive at night without headlights.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 11:23 AM
Sep 2020

I have perfect night vision and if others can't see me, it's because they're flawed. Not my fault. Stay home if you're afraid.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
35. Here in NY, I recently visited an area upstate with Trump signs all over...
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:36 PM
Sep 2020

and everyone was still wearing a mask. I think the examples our leaders set make a difference. If you've got a right-wing, anti-science governor telling people they don't have to wear masks, they're not gonna wear them.

Bev54

(10,072 posts)
9. I remember my Mom telling me about
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 11:29 AM
Sep 2020

having to blackout as well on the coast of BC Canada, and my guess would be east coast as well, because of German submarines, they did not want to give them a beacon.

Initech

(100,103 posts)
11. If Fox News had been around during the Blitzkrieg...
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 11:32 AM
Sep 2020

They would have people convinced that the air raid bombings were a democratic hoax, and we'd currently be under Nazi rule.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
12. My contrarian side says, Londoners in WW2 were probably taught to all think alike
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 11:44 AM
Sep 2020

the 60s was a ways away.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
16. Having mask off in parking lot. I see lots putting on as they enter and take off as they leave.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:19 PM
Sep 2020

I do not have an issue with someone walking to car taking off mask, or getting out of car putting mask on. we do that here all the time. I do. And I consistently wear mask. Everyone has it on in the store.

forgotmylogin

(7,531 posts)
19. Yeah, once outside it's not so critical, just maintain distance.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:33 PM
Sep 2020

It's just indoors or in any close-crowds we need to be completely masked.

BusyBeingBest

(8,059 posts)
33. I never wear a mask outside, unless I would happen to be somewhere very crowded.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:28 PM
Sep 2020

The risk would be so low as to be almost nothing if you aren't super-close to others. It's important to heed rules and laws, but just as important to retain common sense, so anti-maskers have less of an argument about their "freedoms" being taken away.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
34. I walk dog twice a day and almost none of us old cautious staying home old people do. I have one
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:34 PM
Sep 2020

in my pocket if someone wants to talk and are more comfortable for me to wear a mask but even at that we stand far away from each other.

Except the couple weeks with ash raining down on us. Then I wore mask, tight and filter,

world wide wally

(21,755 posts)
17. Just like Trump thinks having gold colored furniture makes him look wealthy, he is
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:20 PM
Sep 2020

only concerned with how anything makes him look. He sees the masks as a symbol of a problem and he doesn't want anyone to think he is responsible for any problems in the world.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,898 posts)
21. Londoners, and pretty much everyon else in Europe during WWII
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:36 PM
Sep 2020

sacrificed a fuck of a lot. And that's without even considering the many soldiers who were wounded or died, or the millions deliberately murdered in the concentration camps.

calimary

(81,487 posts)
24. Oh but my rights! MY rights!
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:02 PM
Sep 2020

Oh, YOU have rights, too?

Meh - not important to ME. Only MY rights count here. Only MY rights count, EVER.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
25. There were volunteer Air Raid Precautions wardens enforcing the blackout and other safety measures.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:04 PM
Sep 2020
To police the new blackout, in March 1937 the Home Office appealed for 300,000 "citizen volunteers" to be trained as air raid precautions (ARP) wardens, rather unfairly immortalised in the television series Dad's Army officiously telling householders to "put out that light".
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/nov/01/blackout-britain-wartime

From what I can gather, even though the blackout itself caused many injuries,
Some of the early work that ARP wardens had to contend with was enforcing the blackout that was introduced on 1 September 1939 and lasted until April 1945 (5). Shop windows were darkened from 6:00 pm as were houses – requiring heavy curtains or blankets to ensure that no light escaped. Streets in almost darkness were dangerous with a large increase in injuries – 20% of the population reported as having suffered blackout related injuries in the first 4 months that they were in operation.

Road deaths increased around 40% when compared with pre-war fatalities. Regular readers will recall that a few years earlier Lewisham streets were noted as being some of the most dangerous in London.
https://runner500.wordpress.com/tag/arp-wardens/
most Brits willingly complied.

However, Jason Alexander's tweet oversimplifies the matter:
Blackout measures introduced in 1939, where external lighting had to be limited during hours of darkness and extinguished during air raids, were certainly the subject of complaints. Historian Robert Mackay writes that at the time, the public felt this measure was the most inconvenient aspect of the war, due to the lack of bombs in late 1939 and early 1940. He adds that those enforcing blackout, such as volunteer ARP wardens, were unpopular. Blackout measures also led to a rise in traffic and road-related deaths early on in the war, which at one point were higher than Royal Air Force and Navy deaths according to a report in the New York Times. Despite frustrations, blackout was a successful measure, with most UK cities described from the air as “comprehensively darkened”.
https://fullfact.org/online/blitz-spirit-tweet/

Also:
Other safety measures weren’t perfectly adhered to. The Centre for War, State, and Society at the University of Exeter notes that a significant cause of death early on in the Blitz was due to a failure to find shelter, with bodies pulled from the rubble indicating that victims had been sleeping in upstairs rooms.

Unlike with those refusing to mask up in public, in this case, those who refused to go to a public or other recommended shelter, were mostly hurting themselves. Though, as with COVIDiots, the injured or dead put added stress on services such as healthcare workers, and in the case of those refusing to take shelter, rescue workers.

Sanity Claws

(21,852 posts)
26. Their leaders played a big role.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:05 PM
Sep 2020

As a young woman, Princess Elizabeth (now Queen) was a mechanic. She wore a military uniform.
The King and Queen respected rationing, just as their subjects.
If I recall history, the Queen inspected the bombing sites.
All of their leaders connected with the people in a way to encourage them in those tough times.

oldsoftie

(12,604 posts)
31. My mom enforced blackouts in PA during the war when she was 12.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:36 PM
Sep 2020

"Close your curtains! turn out your lights!"
She did have a couple stories about a couple of homes that always HAD to be told.

pazzyanne

(6,557 posts)
37. Those who are screaming about their constitutional rights forget...
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 05:04 AM
Sep 2020

... that there are constitutional responsibilities that go along with those rights. They are babies in constitutional law and willfully do not want to learn more. They are only concerned about me, me, me. There area couple of million Americans that need to grow up.

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