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Most bizarre ending to an NFL game EVER! This happens when scabs replace professionals. (Original Post) Bozita Sep 2012 OP
They even missed the obvious offensive pass interference sadbear Sep 2012 #1
Zactly. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #12
My husband KatyAnn Sep 2012 #2
They showed class, xmas74 Sep 2012 #9
this is what happens gopiscrap Sep 2012 #3
More bizarre hfojvt Sep 2012 #4
No to 1, yes to 2. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #13
Or the time the ref blew the whistle in the final minute mythology Sep 2012 #18
By far, the most level-headed analysis of the situation I've seen. opiate69 Sep 2012 #20
"hard to say which shoving is legal and which is illegal." You're joking, right? cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #22
Not a huge football person so thanks for this post obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #37
That QB was Matt Hasselbeck for Seattle.... a kennedy Sep 2012 #35
What happened this time? Electric Monk Sep 2012 #5
Seahawks fans here...Green Bay got robbed. N/t EmeraldCityGrl Sep 2012 #6
This Seahawks fan agrees. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #14
Ditto. gateley Sep 2012 #28
Next step with scab refs: Vegas takes NFL games off the board Bozita Sep 2012 #7
They should. sadbear Sep 2012 #8
Yes, Vegas doesn't care who wins. Egnever Sep 2012 #26
Looked kosher to me. tritsofme Sep 2012 #10
Yep Son of Gob Sep 2012 #11
Oh myyy... that is funny... Yooperman Sep 2012 #32
Super Bowl XL mick063 Sep 2012 #15
I kind of agree with that aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #16
That was the only time I thought a game was actually fixed. MrSlayer Sep 2012 #21
Zorn/Largent -- those we're the days! gateley Sep 2012 #29
at the least, you kinda feel soiled. i would love karma to bite the shit out of steeler QB. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #34
LOL! Seattle local news is about to come on. This should be interesting. nolabear Sep 2012 #17
Gotta link for live viewing? Bozita Sep 2012 #19
Sorry I was gone too long. Check out nolabear Sep 2012 #25
The play was reviewed up in the booth, not by the scab referees. Alduin Sep 2012 #23
are you sure of that? dsc Sep 2012 #24
Yes. I am sure. Alduin Sep 2012 #27
Yep.. all scoring plays are reviewed automatically! Yooperman Sep 2012 #33
But the ref does make the call as to whether the call is overturned. The final decision is the ref's fishwax Sep 2012 #41
Thanks for the clarificaton.. Yooperman Sep 2012 #43
I thought the booth official called for an official review of the play fishwax Sep 2012 #30
Thanks for the info obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #39
that info is not entirely correct, however fishwax Sep 2012 #40
Upon further review, ... Bozita Sep 2012 #31
That sums up the replacement refs perfectly. nt hifiguy Sep 2012 #44
The non-union refs being sued are professionals obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #36
I swear to god, if I'm a referee on strike, my price to return to work just TRIPLED Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #38
As CreekDog said... Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #42

KatyAnn

(66 posts)
2. My husband
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:56 PM
Sep 2012

is from Wisconsin and he is pissed.

This is unbelievable. I was hoping GB wouldn't come back out.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
9. They showed class,
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:08 AM
Sep 2012

coming back out on the field. I'm originally from WI and I'm proud of them for doing just that but...

Jennings had the ball. He caught it, had it in both hands, pulled it to his chest, landed, hit the ground, and still maintained control possession. There is no simultaneous possession in this instance.

Jennings was hosed.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
4. More bizarre
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:00 AM
Sep 2012

than when the refs blew the coin toss in overtime and the Steelers lost?

More bizarre than when the quarterback won the toss and announced "we want the ball and we are going to score" and a few plays later, threw a touchdown pass - to the other team?

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
18. Or the time the ref blew the whistle in the final minute
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:06 AM
Sep 2012

costing San Diego the win because even though the play was reviewable, the whistle resulted in the wrong team getting possession?

The refs have the problem of trying to make calls in real time that then get shown on tv in super slow motion and high definition. Unfortunately sometimes they make the wrong call. Most often the wrong calls tend to balance out and don't cost a team the game. Sometimes they do.

Remember that because the call on the field was a touchdown, they had to see indisputable proof to overturn the call via replay. I think there's a case to be made that when the Seahawks player hit the ground, on his back, being touched by a Packers player, he was down by contact and both players had a legitimate grip on the ball. And the tie goes to the offense.

As for an offensive interference penalty, that's rarely called under any circumstances and it's really hard to call it in that situation. Because all of the players have a right to the ball and all are looking for it, it's hard to say which shoving is legal and which is illegal. So most anything will be ignored on that play.

Additionally the Packers played the pass strategically incorrectly. They should be working to bat the ball down rather than trying to intercept the pass.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
20. By far, the most level-headed analysis of the situation I've seen.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:12 AM
Sep 2012

And the camera angle from the front clearly shows Tate had both hands on the ball from the instant it got there as well.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
22. "hard to say which shoving is legal and which is illegal." You're joking, right?
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:15 AM
Sep 2012

Plant your feet, use two hands between the opposing player's shoulder blades, PUSH, then jump. That's against the rules. I HAVE seen pass interference called on Hail Mary plays.

Watch the way the Green Bay player gets caught off guard. Most players are ready and braced for incidental contact in that situation. He wasn't.

obamanut2012

(26,083 posts)
37. Not a huge football person so thanks for this post
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 09:32 AM
Sep 2012

I know the rules, etc., but am far from being analytical about it.

a kennedy

(29,677 posts)
35. That QB was Matt Hasselbeck for Seattle....
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 09:27 AM
Sep 2012

and threw the TD (interception) to Al Harris of the Green Bay Packers if I'm not mistaken....

oh yeah, loved this one. Payback??

Yooperman

(592 posts)
32. Oh myyy... that is funny...
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 03:14 AM
Sep 2012

I really did laugh out loud ... As a Lion fan... I had to post this one on my FB...especially since I live in the U.P. of Michigan and we have more Packer fans here than Lion fans... the FB page is ful of livid Packer fans... their heads are exploding! They forget that frikken Seattle sacked Rodgers like 3lbs of potatoes!

Thanks for the post!

YM

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
15. Super Bowl XL
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:50 AM
Sep 2012

Is the only reason this Seahawk fan is not going to apologize.

I only wish it had happened to the Steelers instead of the Packers. Then true Karma would be realized.

Super Bowl XL demonstrated that the real referees dictate outcomes as well.

Feel bad for the Packers though. I feel kinda soiled. Something Steeler fans never felt.

Screw it......Go Seahawks!!!

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
16. I kind of agree with that
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:58 AM
Sep 2012

As bad as the officiating has been lately, it seems to be affecting all the games and teams evenly. Blown calls are going both ways. I'm convinced the regular refs have either conscious or unconscious biases favoring certain teams and disfavoring others.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
21. That was the only time I thought a game was actually fixed.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:14 AM
Sep 2012

The refs weren't merely incompetent in that one, they seemed intent on giving it to the Steelers. I was a big fan of Jim Zorn and Steve Largent as a kid so I was pulling hard for the Hawks in that one. They got robbed, blatantly so.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
34. at the least, you kinda feel soiled. i would love karma to bite the shit out of steeler QB. nt
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 08:07 AM
Sep 2012
 

Alduin

(501 posts)
23. The play was reviewed up in the booth, not by the scab referees.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:23 AM
Sep 2012

The booth worker is a full-time NFL employee, not a scab of a ref. The final call came from the booth since all scores are reviewed in the booth.

Blaming this on scabs is just stupid and makes no sense.

Yooperman

(592 posts)
33. Yep.. all scoring plays are reviewed automatically!
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 03:21 AM
Sep 2012

The refs don't make that call. It is out of their hands.

What makes the difference is what call is made on the field. If they make a call for a touchdown..it will automatically be reviewed and will either be overturned, confirmed or let it stand. Overturned means they have conclusive visual proof of a mistake... confirmed is they have conclusive visual proof they made the correct call and the last one "Upheld" means they didn't have enough proof to overturn the call.

I suspect that is what they determined here. Not enough visual evidence to overturn.

It isn't the first game lost by a poor call..won't be the last ... even if the regular refs return.

YM

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
41. But the ref does make the call as to whether the call is overturned. The final decision is the ref's
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 11:03 AM
Sep 2012

Yes, all scoring plays (and turnovers, and all plays in the last two minutes) are reviewed by the replay official in the booth. However, that review is only to determine whether or not to initiate an official review by the referee. If they determine that the play should be reviewed, then the official review is performed by the ref.

Yooperman

(592 posts)
43. Thanks for the clarificaton..
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 04:59 PM
Sep 2012

I was under the impression that the booth officials determine the overturn or not.

YM

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
30. I thought the booth official called for an official review of the play
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:43 AM
Sep 2012

The booth worker doesn't actually make the final decision when there is an official review. Rather, they decide (on turnovers, scoring plays, and all plays during the final two minutes of either half) whether or not the play is close enough for an official review. But the review itself is performed by the official on the field. In this case, the ref said that after review, the play stands. That would seem to indicate an official review, in which case, I think, the decision to review the play would be the booth assistant's call and the decision that the play stood would be the ref's.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
40. that info is not entirely correct, however
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 10:58 AM
Sep 2012

For the record, all scoring plays (along with all turnovers and all plays within the last two minutes) are reviewed by the booth to determine whether they are worthy of an official review. If they decide it is worth an official review, then that review is performed by the ref on the field. So if there *is* a review, then the referee, not the booth, has the final word. And that is what happened last night.

obamanut2012

(26,083 posts)
36. The non-union refs being sued are professionals
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 09:29 AM
Sep 2012

They are not, however, NFL-level officials, and they are scabs.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
38. I swear to god, if I'm a referee on strike, my price to return to work just TRIPLED
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 09:33 AM
Sep 2012

You can't BUY leverage like this!

Remember, before last night all it would have taken was a paltry $100,000 per team to settle...

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