Are we screwed?

[vercetti2021]

Mean legit are we now? RGB passing away

[qazplm135]

1. Roe v Wade is done

there were already four votes to get rid of it, this will add one more.

[LiberalLoner]

4. Yeah.

[dustyscamp]

35. We need to play dirty

Get cons arrested by getting them to attack us first, Get them fired by doxing them for their bad behavior, no more playing nice and 2nd chances always report them

[qazplm135]

37. that's not happening

there are only two possible outs:

1. Hope a couple of republicans (3 in fact) have enough decency to say no to a rushed through election year justice. I give that about a five percent chance.

2. Get to 50 or more in the senate, win the presidency, and expand the court.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

45. I wish we would get vicious

And fight the damn Repugs..dox them ,expose them,use the damn media to destroy them,give them no quarters or kindness. Go for the jugular make them bleed money. Crush them all.
It's trench warfare now
No use avoiding the dirt and letting them win.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. If you are a Woman, POC, Latino, Asian, Jewish , LGBTQ or a liberal, yes

[vercetti2021]

5. LGBTQ

I guess I am.

[Claustrum]

3. yup. Trump and GOP will replace her.... thanks to 2016

[Hero57]

6. In short Yes unless Mitch has a heart

Which I think we are screwed.

[Drunken Irishman]

7. In terms of the Supreme Court? Absolutely.

Trump will put a right-wing conservative on the court and they'll be confirmed.

[Demovictory9]

17. sadly, I agree

[beaglelover]

8. Why? The CONS can't push a new justice through before the election.

If we all get our the vote and elect Joe, he will choose the next justice. If tRump is a lame duck there is no way the democrats will allow him to seat a justice between the election and inauguration day. IMO.

[BlueLucy]

10. They don't need democrats.

[beaglelover]

13. No, but democrats can delay it enough so it can't happen before the election.

[Drunken Irishman]

21. No they can't. Democrats have no control to delay.

McConnell can expedite the process, force a vote (simple majority) and they can be on the court by the end of 2020.

[beaglelover]

23. Oh well, I guess we're fucked then until Joe expands the number of seats on the court.

[Drunken Irishman]

36. That or hope McConnell decides he doesn't want this fight right before the election.

[TwilightZone]

14. How are they going to stop it?

The Rs have the votes. They'll push it through before the election.

[beaglelover]

16. Dems can delay it. Schumer will find a way.

If not and they succeed in sitting a new CON justice, then we expand the court when Joe is POTUS.

[Codeine]

22. We'd better win the fucking senate then.

Goddamnit, everything just keeps getting worse.

[qazplm135]

29. how?

Filibuster doesn't apply.

Republicans have a majority of the Senate.

Trump will have a name ready by sometime next week.

The ONLY chance at this point is if a few Republicans decide to all of a sudden embrace some version of comity and reasonableness.
And that's not really something to place one's hopes on.

[NYC Liberal]

56. Don't forget that the vote will likely happen after the election.

Faux moderates like Collins would be pressured to vote "No" to save their necks if they had to vote before the election. After the election, they'll be free to vote for the right-wing justice without fear of consequences.

[qazplm135]

58. that's what a few Senators are saying now

the pressure to do otherwise is going to be ridiculous.

I give it 50/50 odds it happens before the election, and 90/10 odds it happens after.

[Codeine]

18. Why not? The process doesn't take that long, really.

Tangerine Idi Amin already has his list; expect to see the nomination by Monday and McTurtle will fast-track the approval. Done and dusted.

[ansible]

20. He already knew last week, must be why he announced his list

Someone must've been trying to suppress this news for some time

[qazplm135]

25. can't? lol If there isn't a new justice by election day

I'll be somewhat surprised.

If there isn't one by New Years, I will give you the limb of your choosing.

[shanti]

55. They can and they will

McConnell has no scruples whatsoever.

[catbyte]

9. It's not good because it's for damned sure that McConnell is going to ram though some awful

nominee. He will conveniently have some rationale for a vote. Merrick Garland is a distant memory to these people.

[katmondoo]

11. What a tragedy. There will be a fight and we do not know how this will end.

I will wear my RGB t-shirt tomorrow in her honor.

[RockRaven]

12. The only way out is to elect Biden and win both houses of Congress, nuke the legislative

filibuster in the Senate and then pass a comprehensive judiciary reform act which includes among other things expanding the SCOTUS.

It can be done, but every single person needs to convince everyone they know to vote, and vote blue at every level of government.

[Catherine Vincent]

15. McConnell's underpants is moist

[MH1]

19. Yes. No one should be surprised. This is what "progressives" wanted.

(note the quote marks, would-be alerters)

Certain people have this fucking fantasy that if things get bad enough, people will "rise up" and help them create utopia.

Never mind the real people who get destroyed in the process.

[Codeine]

26. All the fucking 'Bros,

they caused this shit. The holier-than-thou purity fucks with their “why choose between two evils?” bullshit.

Fuck them. Fuck them all forever. Fuck anyone who defends them. Anyone.

[MH1]

33. What you said. To the fucking infinity power.

Tonight is the worst I've felt since Nov. 8 2016. Now we know it really can be this bad.

[Blaukraut]

34. This! n/t

[helpisontheway]

24. Yes. Nt

[demtenjeep]

27. yes

yes

[In It to Win It]

28. Yup. Abortion laws are being written as we speak

[Blue_true]

30. I came of age during the 80s.

I remember a lot of horrible 6-3 conservative rulings, we only had Brennan, Marshall and Blackmon. But John Paul Stevens became more liberal and we started getting 5-4 conservative rulings. Then one of the conservatives became a reliable swing vote, so we started getting 5-4 liberal rulings.

It is hard to predict what the Court will do. Roberts seems to be swing voting regularly now and Gorsuch has even done a few swing votes. Gorsuch, in particular doesn’t strike me as a big cultural warrior, he may balk at repealing Roe v Wade, but may allow some more trimming of it, as will Roberts. I think the Trump will put a staunch conservative in, likely a Black or Hispanic female, and they will try to find a person as young as possible. But as with John Paul Stevens and Harry Blackmon, it is tough to predict that a person put on as a conservative will stay that way.

What we have to start doing is be more strategic. Republicans encourage Justices to quit, we didn’t do that with Ginsberg and Breyer, and now we are going to pay a short term price for that.

[qazplm135]

38. I think Gorsuch would absolutely vote to repeal Roe

I know Alito and Thomas would.

I suspect rapey boy probably would, but maybe not.

I don't think Roberts would. Trump's new justice is a guarantee to.

So we are I think at LEAST at four, with a possible.

But it's not just abortion. How many of them want to return to the Lochner Era and all that would bring?

[Blue_true]

43. Gorsuch has not shown himself to be a zealot cultural warrior.

If push comes to shove on Roe v Wade, I expect him to adhere to his statement that the basic ruling is settled law. But he will likely allow more restrictions to go in place.

[qazplm135]

44. Eh, there's going to be a crapton of pressure on him

and I think it's premature to suggest he isn't a threat to vote yes.

Moreover, there's a ton of other ways our society can be wrecked that don't involve Roe.

[Blue_true]

47. He has a lifetime seat. Exactly how will pressure affect him if he is not an ideologue? nt

[qazplm135]

48. He most certainly is an ideologue

And look at how they got the last justice to retire via positive pressure towards his son.

Pressure isn't always negative.

[Blue_true]

49. I was writing about Gorsuch. He is a libertarian, but not a cultural warrior.

He seem to be referring to Trump getting a Justice to retire so that Kavanaugh could fill the seat. Kavanaugh clerked for Kennedy and there was some speculation that Kennedy saw him as his replacement.

[qazplm135]

52. You don't have to be a social warrior to be

Anti Roe.

[RhodeIslandOne]

53. He'll pick his spot I'm afraid.

But all the smaller rulings will do the job anyway before it's done.

[Blue_true]

54. He won't repeal it, but he will likely be ok with weakening it.

The thing is he has libertarian tendencies, that to me would imply that he doesn’t want government telling women what to do with their bodies. I could be wrong.

[Crunchy Frog]

40. Today's conservatives are not the same as those of forty years ago.

Trump will go pure fascist on this next one.

[JI7]

31. We have already been screwed for 4 years, we are trying to get out of it

[GoCubsGo]

32. It remains to be seen.

[Crunchy Frog]

39. I think so.

[Generic Brad]

41. Not necessarily

Emotions are running high right now and we know Republicans are heartless opportunists. However, we just have to play this out. Nothing is a 100% certainty.

[BannonsLiver]

46. The only truly sane response in the thread.

Nobody does panic like DU.

[crickets]

57. Well said. nt

[cry baby]

42. I believe so, sadly. nt

[Raine]

50. In a word ... YES. nt

[Baclava]

51. They just need a simple majority in the Senate, 3 defections and they still get it, Pence tie breaks

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So magic 8 ball says, 'As I see it , yes'