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Demovictory9

(32,479 posts)
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 10:56 PM Sep 2020

100s of 1000s of migratory birds found in dead in NM. "a very large event", maybe millions

Biologists at New Mexico State University are trying to find out why hundreds of thousands of migratory birds have been found dead across the state.



The mystery started August 20 with the discovery of a large number of dead birds at the US Army White Sands Missile Range and White Sands National Monument, according to Martha Desmond, a professor at the university's department of fish, wildlife and conservation ecology.

What was first believed to be an isolated incident turned out to be a much more serious problem when hundreds more dead birds were found in regions across the state. including Doña Ana County, Jemez Pueblo, Roswell and Socorro.

"It's just terrible," Desmond told CNN. "The number is in the six figures. Just by looking at the scope of what we're seeing, we know this is a very large event, hundreds of thousands and maybe even millions of dead birds, and we're looking at the higher end of that."

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Dead migratory birds -- which include species such as warblers, bluebirds, sparrows, blackbirds, the western wood pewee and flycatchers -- are also being found in Colorado, Texas and Mexico.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/14/us/new-mexico-birds-died-migration-trnd/index.html

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100s of 1000s of migratory birds found in dead in NM. "a very large event", maybe millions (Original Post) Demovictory9 Sep 2020 OP
Every damn day is another "JUST FUCK" event Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 #1
shit... I've been seeing some in Colorado. At first I thought raptors had knocked them off.. or WNV hlthe2b Sep 2020 #2
it's being called a massive bird die off. Dying in "unprecedented" numbers. Demovictory9 Sep 2020 #4
It's like every imaginable version of hell is being unleashed upon us at once. Initech Sep 2020 #24
If we could only go back in time and contain the source before it festered... DSandra Sep 2020 #43
Horrible. nancy1942 Sep 2020 #3
Can this please cilla4progress Sep 2020 #5
Migratory birds? WTF? BComplex Sep 2020 #6
I think climate change and the wildfires PatSeg Sep 2020 #37
Pretty sure wind turbines--I mean, "windmills"--didn't do it. Grokenstein Sep 2020 #7
every once awhile i have to post this poem ... dweller Sep 2020 #8
❤ Cross posted. littlemissmartypants Sep 2020 #25
Heat has reached the tipping point? Miguelito Loveless Sep 2020 #9
It's been unseasonably cold here. alittlelark Sep 2020 #13
Colorado too. triron Sep 2020 #16
Well, whatever it is Miguelito Loveless Sep 2020 #20
It started near a Military base ItsjustMe Sep 2020 #10
Or one of the sonar weapons? Hekate Sep 2020 #19
Military related was my FIRST thought Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 #35
Poor things MustLoveBeagles Sep 2020 #11
I found 2 in my yard yesterday. alittlelark Sep 2020 #12
Air pollution from the fires? 3Hotdogs Sep 2020 #14
Of all things that should be relatively easy to determine as a common cause ... nt mr_lebowski Sep 2020 #22
I'm wondering if the fires drove them from their normal migratory pathway in CA and they couldn't rwsanders Sep 2020 #26
But one species of mammal keeps on multiplying. roamer65 Sep 2020 #15
+100 / Exactly Duppers Sep 2020 #27
Could it be a bird pandemic? nt ecstatic Sep 2020 #17
Avian flu? Klaralven Sep 2020 #32
Please provide info to Southwest bird mortality is you have any findings to add . This is real lunasun Sep 2020 #18
I have a house and yard pretty much devoted to birds-- BusyBeingBest Sep 2020 #21
Damn! Bayard Sep 2020 #23
Hmm. I live in New Mexico. I have not seen dead birds. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #28
I live in NM too and I haven't seen any dead birds womanofthehills Sep 2020 #30
I also read stuff about how cats kill millions of birds every year. And how PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #31
Agree. I could count on 1 hand I've seen my entire time here (most of my 74 years). triron Sep 2020 #48
Awful. Man is killing the earth. radius777 Sep 2020 #29
Birds can't handle smoke. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2020 #33
It must be from the fires. It's destroying the quality of the air. Very sad. Vinca Sep 2020 #34
Most likely it is the smoke from the forest fires. MineralMan Sep 2020 #36
wow... all the way to Minnesota!! Demovictory9 Sep 2020 #39
Yup. The sky is yellowish today. MineralMan Sep 2020 #40
You are getting a little piece of California!! Demovictory9 Sep 2020 #44
Probably a piece of Oregon. MineralMan Sep 2020 #47
true Demovictory9 Sep 2020 #52
The sky has been a weird color at least as far east as Chicago n/t Withywindle Sep 2020 #41
Wow Demovictory9 Sep 2020 #45
I live in Southeast MN and our air has been hazy since Monday..... a kennedy Sep 2020 #49
Yes. Fortunately the smoke is at high altitude MineralMan Sep 2020 #50
This made me cry Goodheart Sep 2020 #38
Is smoke from the fires blowing that way? lindysalsagal Sep 2020 #42
It has to be lung related and from the fires Awsi Dooger Sep 2020 #46
What about COVID-19? It originated in bats. But smoke is more likely, I guess. nt LAS14 Sep 2020 #51

hlthe2b

(102,408 posts)
2. shit... I've been seeing some in Colorado. At first I thought raptors had knocked them off.. or WNV
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 11:03 PM
Sep 2020

but, this is disturbing as hell.

Demovictory9

(32,479 posts)
4. it's being called a massive bird die off. Dying in "unprecedented" numbers.
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 11:08 PM
Sep 2020
https://www.lcsun-news.com/story/news/2020/09/14/new-mexico-researchers-gather-info-public-massive-migratory-bird-die-off/5792102002/

Reports from around the state indicate migratory species are dying in numbers described as "unprecedented" Saturday by Martha Desmond, a professor in the university's department of Fish, Wildlife and Conservation Ecology.

Last weekend, biologists from NMSU and White Sands Missile Range examined nearly 300 carcasses gathered at the range and in Doña Ana County, but based on photos, videos and written observations from locations statewide, professor Martha Desmond anticipates the casualties are in the hundreds of thousands, "if not millions."

On golf courses, hiking areas and residential neighborhoods, residents have reported birds of migratory species dying in groups and living birds exhibiting lethargic and unusual behavior — not eating, flying low or gathering on the ground and being hit by vehicles.

The affected birds included both insect- and seed-eaters, but did not appear to include resident species such as roadrunner or quail.

PatSeg

(47,625 posts)
37. I think climate change and the wildfires
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 10:41 AM
Sep 2020

could be the cause. It is mentioned in the article as well.

Grokenstein

(5,727 posts)
7. Pretty sure wind turbines--I mean, "windmills"--didn't do it.
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 11:12 PM
Sep 2020

These are canaries in the coal mine.
Except the "coal mine" is the entire damn planet.

Hekate

(90,848 posts)
19. Or one of the sonar weapons?
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 11:31 PM
Sep 2020

They are known to harm whales and porpoises by disrupting their ability to echolocate.

Gods, this is awful, whatever caused it.

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
12. I found 2 in my yard yesterday.
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 11:22 PM
Sep 2020

It was odd, neither one was near a window. We have many birds of prey out here, but they don't leave corpses, just feathers.

rwsanders

(2,608 posts)
26. I'm wondering if the fires drove them from their normal migratory pathway in CA and they couldn't
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 01:26 AM
Sep 2020

find food or water, or the desert environment was too cold.
But a direct effect of the smoke is certainly plausible.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
18. Please provide info to Southwest bird mortality is you have any findings to add . This is real
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 11:28 PM
Sep 2020

Here is the link
https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/southwest-avian-mortality-project
All info will help and the death spreads over more than NM



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BusyBeingBest

(8,059 posts)
21. I have a house and yard pretty much devoted to birds--
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 11:52 PM
Sep 2020

I have observed most of the species they mention in my yard. Colorado snowstorm and three full miserable days of cold really was a hardship for migratory insect eaters--they usually are through here and gone well before the snow flies and such cold temps are sustained. Right before that was the godawful smoke from northern CO. Might not be the only factors, but probably contributed. It's sad as hell.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,906 posts)
28. Hmm. I live in New Mexico. I have not seen dead birds.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 01:46 AM
Sep 2020

Actually, in my somewhat long life (I recently turned 72) I can recall exactly one and one only incident where I saw a dead bird on the sidewalk. That would have been sometime between 2000 and 2006 or so.

I will repeat, one and only one dead bird. What exactly am I missing?

womanofthehills

(8,781 posts)
30. I live in NM too and I haven't seen any dead birds
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:05 AM
Sep 2020

I live rural in the middle of the state but I usually have lots of ravens and have been wondering where they have been the past days. Not good - makes me worry about toxins.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,906 posts)
31. I also read stuff about how cats kill millions of birds every year. And how
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 04:49 AM
Sep 2020

wind turbines also kill vast numbers of birds every year. Somehow, I am not convinced.

a kennedy

(29,719 posts)
49. I live in Southeast MN and our air has been hazy since Monday.....
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:21 AM
Sep 2020

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sunshine is really diminished because of the smoke.......so weird looking.

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
50. Yes. Fortunately the smoke is at high altitude
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:31 AM
Sep 2020

for now. If it drops down, we'll be smelling it, too.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
46. It has to be lung related and from the fires
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 05:07 PM
Sep 2020

That's the only thing that makes sense to me at first glance

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