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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:55 AM Sep 2012

"Obama campaign is out with a brutal new ad in Ohio"

The Morning Plum: Romney following Axelrod’s script to the letter

By Greg Sargent

For a year now, Obama advisers have believed that Mitt Romney’s pedigree, business background, lower tax rates, offshore accounts and silver-foot-in-mouth tendencies present exactly the wrong profile to run up the vote totals he needs among blue collar whites to win the presidency, potentially enabling Obama to survive a terrible economy. Back when Romney was still locked in a battle with Rick Perry, Obama advisers were telling people about their plans to paint Romney as a corporate predator who prioritizes profits over jobs and communities, is out of touch with what ordinary folks are going through, thinks keeping taxes low on the rich is the answer to everyone’s problems, and keeps his own rates low via murky international financial dealings.

What’s remarkable is how closely Romney himself has voluntarily hewed to the script produced for him.

On Friday, Romney released his 2011 tax returns, but only revealed an average rate paid from 1990-2009. Even some Republican strategists are questioning this move, as well as his broader refusal not to come clean earlier, claiming it allows Dems to continue raising questions about Romney’s offshore accounts and about what he may be hiding about his own low rate. Romney’s dismissive comments about the freeloading 47 percent were perfectly tailored to the narrative the Obama camp has been spinning. And now the Obama campaign is out with a brutal new ad in Ohio, which has a big population of blue collar whites, weaving those strands together:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-morning-plum-romney-following-axelrods-script-to-the-letter/2012/09/24/c6ea19a0-0632-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

Ouch!

Bill Kristol: Obama Has Turned Around The Financial Meltdown ‘Pretty Well’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021401113
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"Obama campaign is out with a brutal new ad in Ohio" (Original Post) ProSense Sep 2012 OP
Great ad! Jim__ Sep 2012 #1
I still say liberalmike27 Sep 2012 #21
Don't worry. The professionals and small-business taxpayers are getting the message. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #29
Charity deductions mikki35 Sep 2012 #31
Outstanding jsr Sep 2012 #2
Excellent ad! Ties together the aspects of Romney that are noxious... Spazito Sep 2012 #3
More of this. 99Forever Sep 2012 #4
love it! woolldog Sep 2012 #5
Perfect. AzDar Sep 2012 #6
Very succinct, just the right tone. Aldo Leopold Sep 2012 #7
This ad misses one major point that should have been the centerpiece of the ad: loudsue Sep 2012 #8
The other ad covers that: ProSense Sep 2012 #9
Thanks, Pro....I hadn't seen that one! loudsue Sep 2012 #12
They can only put so much in one ad. Brigid Sep 2012 #10
Your 'centerpiece' statement is not true... JohnnyK Sep 2012 #46
One Word: DEVASTATING Coyotl Sep 2012 #11
Great ad... virgdem Sep 2012 #13
Now that's getting down to brass tacks! Major Hogwash Sep 2012 #14
ok... this is it. they are seriously going for this! Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #15
Poor Willard is sooo out of his league. Zorra Sep 2012 #16
Perfect! Kick goclark Sep 2012 #17
well put and accurate. samsingh Sep 2012 #18
Another ad could also serve to drive this point even farther INdemo Sep 2012 #19
Always seems to hurt more when it's true! zorro1 Sep 2012 #20
Perfect, professional response to the Romney irresponsibility. nolabear Sep 2012 #22
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2012 #23
Excellent. Its good they are not letting up on the tax returns. DCBob Sep 2012 #24
You know what ad I'd like to see on cable teevee? valerief Sep 2012 #25
Great ad. mnhtnbb Sep 2012 #26
Point WELL made! I just love that there is an actual video of him saying these asinine things. /nt desertduck Sep 2012 #27
Perfect ad! highplainsdem Sep 2012 #28
The Ref Should Call The Fight After That Haymaker ChoppinBroccoli Sep 2012 #30
Damn right! johnlucas Sep 2012 #43
Um, the Romney quote is out of context. Bette Noir Sep 2012 #32
I think it's perfectly in context XemaSab Sep 2012 #33
I was told that was taken out of context too. Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #39
I don't think it's out of context, but even if it IS kalli007 Sep 2012 #40
They are going to have to hit hard to overcome the OH SoS voter purging and the 1.5m DVDs sent there freshwest Sep 2012 #34
That's nor brutal, that's just common sense. marble falls Sep 2012 #35
I don't see how it can be call "spinning" when Cha Sep 2012 #36
THAT's gonna leave a mark! Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #37
AWESOME AD ! PLAY IT EVERYWHERE ! BEST ONE SO FAR ! SLAM THE CRAP OUT OF THE MittTwit ! RBInMaine Sep 2012 #38
zing - the r0mnbot has been skewered geckosfeet Sep 2012 #41
Romney, it's OVER johnlucas Sep 2012 #42
Great ad. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #44
We saw that ad a couple times last night in Virginia too! peacebird Sep 2012 #45
That is gonna leave a mark. hifiguy Sep 2012 #47

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
21. I still say
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:17 PM
Sep 2012

This "show me your tax returns" is missing the point.

The question should be "Should Mitt, and others in the financial community be able to pay such an incredibly low rate? Even SS recipients pay 15% with employers' contribution, considered part of the employees' wages. Add onto that, federal, state, property, utility, sales, and gas, and a few others, you've got regular wage people paying huge sums by comparison?

And should tax-evasion be ignored? Sure, I guess it's technically illegal. But should our government NOT make this avoidance scheme, and others, illegal?

I'd add, should people be able to avoid taxes just by giving to charity. If you are giving just to get tax cuts, when our country desperately needs them, then what is so great about giving to charity, as you are just giving to yourself.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
29. Don't worry. The professionals and small-business taxpayers are getting the message.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:57 PM
Sep 2012

They know what rate they pay. And they know what their marginal rate is.

Romney should be paying the same high, marginal rate on his income, whether it be from capital gains or from earned income, that they pay. They are getting the message. It's loud and clear.

I've talked to a couple of them.

mikki35

(111 posts)
31. Charity deductions
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 01:05 PM
Sep 2012

I can't say that people giving to charity is a bad thing - that would be ridiculous!! Charities are ostensibly there to help those that need it most, those that are falling through the cracks, etc. The only problem I have is when people give to what is SUPPOSED to be charities that are NOT - like the Mormon church. They are faaarrrrrrr from acting like a charity. Even the stuff that is given to the poor in other countries is given with a recruitment drive sort of thing. Plus, huge chunks of donations are being used to fund all kinds of commercial business ventures that are WAYYYYYYYYY outside the realm of what is supposed to be tax-free church business.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
8. This ad misses one major point that should have been the centerpiece of the ad:
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 10:52 AM
Sep 2012

That he's the ONLY presidential candidate in ....howevermany years....that has REFUSED to release his tax records, and they need to suggest that he has something to hide, because most of us KNOW he has something to hide.

I'm glad some journalists are finally hitting hard on what DUers figured out from the git-go: That RMoney benefitted from the amnesty allowed to those who were sheltering income overseas so they didn't have to pay taxes in the US.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
10. They can only put so much in one ad.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:02 AM
Sep 2012

I agree with you, though. Maybe there will be another ad on that.

JohnnyK

(301 posts)
46. Your 'centerpiece' statement is not true...
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 09:37 AM
Sep 2012

"he's the ONLY presidential candidate in ....howevermany years....that has REFUSED to release his tax records"

That is untrue, loudsue. Mitt released two years worth of tax returns. How does that become refusing to release his tax records? Romney released the same amount as John McCain did in 2008, two years. Obama didn't have a problem with McCain, but he does with Romney. I'm voting for Obama, but I'm just sayin'.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
14. Now that's getting down to brass tacks!
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:23 AM
Sep 2012

Thanks for sharing this ad with us.
Nobody is running any kind of ads here, so I have no idea what is being said on tv in the battleground states.

Last week I got a robocall that said Romney's supporters were starting a petition to stop President Obama from giving the terrorists who attacked our embassies in the Middle East any more money, after they said that President Obama had given them $1.5 Billion dollars of our taxpayer dollars to attack our embassies.

It was totally Twilight Zone shit.
I have never been robocalled by the Republicans ever before.
I don't know how they got my phone number.

So, when I heard that phone message, I almost called Ed Schultz to complain about it.
So, he could talk about how low the Romney campaign has gone in their efforts this year to trash the President of the United States.
But, I figured that people like Ed, Rachel, and Lawrence have already heard about those kinds of calls from Romney's supporters.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
19. Another ad could also serve to drive this point even farther
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:15 PM
Sep 2012

in answer to the Rmoney ad which claims Obama soft on China,jobs...
The point is how Obama has lost so many jobs...well the fact is Rmoney outsourced more jobs to China through Bain than Bush created...
..But this ad about the 47% is an out of the park...

zorro1

(27 posts)
20. Always seems to hurt more when it's true!
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:17 PM
Sep 2012

Man that seems below the belt but it's the truth! How does he even get out of bed in the morning? We've all said stupid things and most of us are quick to realize it was a mistake and apologize but this guy is running with it. He really doesn't get what a fool he sounds like to real people. Oh well, thanks GOP.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
24. Excellent. Its good they are not letting up on the tax returns.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:41 PM
Sep 2012

That reasonates with even the low info voters.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
25. You know what ad I'd like to see on cable teevee?
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:41 PM
Sep 2012

People who've been trashed by the depression and banks and insurance companies state briefly how they've been adversely affected and they end with the punchline, "You Republican politicians are assholes."

Over and over. "You Republican politicians are assholes."

I don't care that it would put the RW propaganda machine into a frenzy. That line--"You Republican politicians are assholes."--can only ring true to the 99%, Republican voters included.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
30. The Ref Should Call The Fight After That Haymaker
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 01:00 PM
Sep 2012

I live in Ohio and haven't seen that one yet. I bet there won't be many undecideds left after that one starts airing.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
43. Damn right!
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:21 AM
Sep 2012

That was a Tiger Uppercut from Sagat on Romney.
Might as well say a Shoryuken from Ryu & Ken at the same time!

For Killer Instinct fans, a Combo Breaker leading into a Ultra Combo from TJ Combo.
John Lucas

Bette Noir

(3,581 posts)
32. Um, the Romney quote is out of context.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 02:21 PM
Sep 2012

The "My job is not to worry about those people" clearly refers to trying to get their votes, not looking out for them after the election. This sort of thing just gives ammunition to the folks who want to say, "They all do it."

When the truth is bad enough (and the truth here is that he implied that all Obama voters are welfare recipients of some sort), there's no need to lie.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
33. I think it's perfectly in context
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 02:26 PM
Sep 2012

The next line is something like "I can never convince them to take responsibility for their lives."

He's not just talking about their votes there.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
39. I was told that was taken out of context too.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:34 PM
Sep 2012

So I sent the entire video to that wingnut who took that stand. Today I asked him for comments, and he didn't want to talk about it.

I wonder why? It is because it is not out of context----and there is so much damning in that video that there is no way to defend it.

kalli007

(683 posts)
40. I don't think it's out of context, but even if it IS
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:46 PM
Sep 2012

He is still staying he only cares for the votes of a certain segment of the population. What if Obama went around saying his "job" was only to care about the black vote, or the white vote, or the young vote-- or any category?


If your perception is the correct one, is his saying he only cares about the votes of certain people any better?

Cha

(297,275 posts)
36. I don't see how it can be call "spinning" when
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:50 PM
Sep 2012

all the facts are out there on mitt except, of course, the stuff he's hidden and shredded.

Good Ad! Thanks for the report, ProSense!

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
42. Romney, it's OVER
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:18 AM
Sep 2012

It's over, cat.
Hang it up.

September Surprise has a better ring to it than October.
I say call October the October Overkill.
'Cause I don't see nowhere Romney can go but down over the next few weeks to Election Day.

This cat is SO done!
John Lucas

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