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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:51 PM Sep 2012

Face That Screamed War's Pain Looks Back, 7 Hard Years Later

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/330-131/13607-face-that-screamed-wars-pain-looks-back-7-hard-years-later

Until the past week, Samar Hassan had never glimpsed the photograph of her that millions had seen, never knew it had become one of the most famous images of the Iraq war.

"My brother was sick, and we were taking him to the hospital and on the way back, this happened," Samar said. "We just heard bullets.

"My mother and father were killed, just like that."

The image of Samar, then 5 years old, screaming and splattered in blood after American soldiers opened fire on her family's car in the northern town of Tal Afar in January 2005, illuminated the horror of civilian casualties and has been one of the few images from this conflict to rise to the pantheon of classic war photography. The picture has gained renewed attention as part of a large body of work by Chris Hondros, the Getty Images photographer recently killed on the front lines in Misurata, Libya.

The photograph of Samar is frozen in history, but her life moved on, across a trajectory that is emblematic of what so many Iraqis have endured. In a country whose health care system has almost no ability to treat the psychological aspects of trauma, thousands of Iraqis are left alone with their torment.
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Face That Screamed War's Pain Looks Back, 7 Hard Years Later (Original Post) eridani Sep 2012 OP
That photograph should, in a fair world, shame the USA for decades and decades. nt Bonobo Sep 2012 #1
That photo...didn't even have to read the article to know which one. Lars39 Sep 2012 #2
Me either. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #3
Nor me. nt. Hong Kong Cavalier Sep 2012 #4
Nor me. Scuba Sep 2012 #7
I knew it was going to be that one, too. pamela Sep 2012 #5
"health care system has almost no ability to treat the psychological aspects of trauma" Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #6
All for a war that should never have happened newfie11 Sep 2012 #8
And if this was a post about a Puppy or Kitten that was covered in blood losing family KoKo Sep 2012 #17
The unbelievable thing is that everyone acts like this is something odd in war lunatica Sep 2012 #9
that photo was scorned by war supporters and the media Evasporque Sep 2012 #10
Thanks for reposting that from your blog. n/t KoKo Sep 2012 #14
Here's the photo. It is graphic. It's a fantastic news photo and reminds us of the loss Brickbat Sep 2012 #11
full image Evasporque Sep 2012 #12
I really wished that you wouldn't have posted that Victor_c3 Sep 2012 #16
Thanks for posting that Duer 157099 Sep 2012 #18
Thanks Victor_c3 Sep 2012 #20
I think you should write it all out Duer 157099 Sep 2012 #22
I would love write and publish something Victor_c3 Sep 2012 #23
thank you for bearing witness, i can't imagine that was easy. Agony Sep 2012 #19
thanks Victor_c3 Sep 2012 #21
I remember that photo...It was devastating to those of us here on DU at the time... KoKo Sep 2012 #13
Another snip from article: Her brother was sent to US for treatment, but died 3yrs later by bomb. KoKo Sep 2012 #15

pamela

(3,469 posts)
5. I knew it was going to be that one, too.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:30 AM
Sep 2012

I remember debating a pro-lifer in 2004 about Bush's pro-life record. I posted that picture and, I swear, that convinced her not to vote for him. She didn't vote for Kerry but voted third party. She was an exception though, the rare pro-lifer who truly is pro-life: anti-war, anti-death penalty and works with pregnant women to help them if they decide not to terminate the pregnancy.

Sorry I kind of rambled there. I just vividly remember that picture. That poor little girl.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
6. "health care system has almost no ability to treat the psychological aspects of trauma"
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:51 AM
Sep 2012

This is where the UN needs to step in.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
17. And if this was a post about a Puppy or Kitten that was covered in blood losing family
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:55 PM
Sep 2012

It would have many recs and huge amount of replies.

This child gets little interest. I wonder why that is? It wasn't that way years ago here on Democratic Underground. At least this post got some recs..

Maybe no one knows what to say about war atrocities on civilians anymore.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
9. The unbelievable thing is that everyone acts like this is something odd in war
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:28 AM
Sep 2012

How many terrified, screaming and dying civilians have to be photographed before people get it? It's like everyone thinks war is noble and glamorous and that the casualties of war are just something bad that happens occasionally and are nothing more than a rare aberration.

Fuck!

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
10. that photo was scorned by war supporters and the media
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:48 AM
Sep 2012

They brushed it off....I blogged about that photo and the Nick Ut comparison...how ever the photo was not run as widespread nor did it win a Pulitzer. That war is and was a nightmare. A giant mistake. I wrote on my blog the following and posted the picture and one of the Nick Ut photo

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 19, 2005

The Hidden Cost of Freedom
George W. Bush and followers are fond of saying that Freedom isn't free and that our troops are "winning the peace" in Iraq. Like so many other wars fought by corporate and ideological interests the real costs of war are succinctly pictured below.

The media empires that feeds our nation with a steady diet of fake reality are driven by profit to prevent Americans from seeing the day to day horror that is Iraq. In the past 20 days over 200 people have been killed including 38 U.S. service personell.

So as George Bush ascends the throne on Thursday, January 20, 2005 for his second term we can thank him for the quagmire that is the Iraq war.

photo


And Iraqi girl screams in the night after U.S. Troops killed her parents at a check point. An investigation is pending. The photo reminds us all of the horror of war and it's effects upon children. - Source of Photo unknown but is linked from New York Times.

Photo

Like Vietnam, Iraq is bringing us images that we thought we would never again have to see in our lifetime. Images like the picture that showed America the horror of war on the innocent taken by Nick Ut in 1972

TITLE: VIETNAM NAPALM
AP PHOTOGRAPHER: NICK UT
6/8/1972
TRANG BANG Vietnam.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
11. Here's the photo. It is graphic. It's a fantastic news photo and reminds us of the loss
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:55 AM
Sep 2012

of Chris Hondros as well.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
16. I really wished that you wouldn't have posted that
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:46 PM
Sep 2012

I read this thread before I went to work today and it really hit a cord with me. Like was mentioned above, I knew exactly what photo was being discussed without even having to click on the link.

I really wished that you wouldn't have posted that. It is a remarkable picture, but it is VERY tough for me to look at. By the way, I'm not looking for any type of apology. I'm just saying...

Look at the blood on the Soldiers boot and on the ground. I can't even look at the girl's face.

If/when (unfortunately) we approach another war in the future, we need to get this picture out and talk about the true cost of war as much as we can in public. I found this figure a few weeks back. In the 20th century the ratio of civilians to Soldiers killed in war is 10:1. (I can find the source if anyone wants to reference it).

While I'm typing this I'm also running around my house making my two daughters dinner. My oldest daughter (she is 4) is telling me what she wants to eat for dinner and I just look at her and I really have a hard time keeping it together.

I was an Infantry Platoon Leader in Iraq from Feb 2004 through March 2005. On 20 June 2004 I had to escort my boss and provide security for a weekly meeting he had with local Iraqi town leadership. We were in the outskirts of Baqubah, just a few miles north of Diyala University when an IED on the west side of the road blew up on the third vehicle in my patrol (we patrolled with a minimum of four HMMWVs and 12 people - more depending on the mission we were doing for the day). The vehicle was messed up, but nobody was hurt. I was in the lead HMMWV and my gunner identified who he thought was the trigger man. The guy stood up, ran, then ducked behind a sand berm and the IED blew up. After the explosion, the guy stood up to run and my gunner cut him down with machine gun fire. Some other guy in my rear HMMWV got out and open fire one someone else.

Immediately after all vehicles stopped, I dismounted and ran to the disabled vehicle. I saw nobody was hurt. My boss (the company commander) was dealing with our headquarters and he called for a vehicle recovery and for the QRF (quick reaction force, i.e. backup) to launched immediately. Given the distance, it'd be about 30 minutes until they arrived. Since we were only running the minimum number of people at the time, I grabbed my platoon medic, my M249 (light machine gun) gunner and my 1SG and the four of us walked on foot in the area surrounding where we fired on what we suspected was enemy.

The area was kind of bare dirt with a little bit of grass and a few large trees (not what you really picture when you think of Iraq). There were a few square cinder block/concrete houses about 500 meters away and people were out and about doing their daily business. We were stopped on the side of a four lane road. About 200 meters off of the road I came across a guy kind of in a little sunken hole in the ground by a tree. He had a beard, was wearing what I called a white man-dress, unarmed, and covered in blood. He was just rolling on the ground and scrunched up quietly bleeding to death. I left my medic and M249 gunner there and I continued with my 1SG towards group of three guys I saw sitting on a log about 50 meters away.

There were two men in the 20s-30s and a 6 year old boy sitting down. As I got closer to their position I saw that there was a boy that I'd guess was 8-10 years old lying face down in the dirt. There wasn't much blood, but he had a pretty formidable hole in his lower back. I yelled for my medic and told him to let the other guy die. He ran over and began to apply first aid to the kid. We turned him over and saw that he was still alive. His breathes were shallow and he had a very blank look on his face We tore off his shirt and found that he had a small entrance wound in the top left portion of his chest. It was obvious that he had what we would call a "sucking chest wound" in which the lung is punctured and you become unable to breath. He was cold and sweaty and very responsive.

The two guys sitting on the log were the kid's uncles. They were holding a little tuxedo wrapped in a plastic bag and they were on their way to a wedding. The boy just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't know why I did this, but I had the guys zip-tied (hand cuffed with plastic zip ties) [I'm yelling out loud to myself while I'm typing this]. I have no idea why I thought they were dangerous or a threat. I really regret the way I treated the adults. I should have brought them over to hold the boy's hand and to comfort him.

The little boy's house was just a few hundred meters away and the boy's father and mother saw that something was up and came running to my position. My translator (who was a local Iraqi civilian) came running to my position and told me that the father wanted the mother to be kept away from the boy who was shot. The father had missing teeth, was wearing a white man-dress and had a light beard. He looked completely harmless and was very distraught. I pushed the mother back (on the father's request). She had some sort of crazy blue tattoo on hear forehead (I don't remember exactly what it was). A crowd began to gather about 100 meters in the distance and I had one of my HMMWVs come to our position to provide a little bit of over watch on out position. The crowd saw our weapons and gave us space.

When we first saw that a little boy was shot we immediately called for helicopter MEDIVAC. While we were waiting for the helicopter, my medic was trying in vain to get an IV started on the kid. As you go into shock, your veins and arteries constrict and they become harder to find and it become very hard to start and IV - which is a vital first step in applying first aid. We weren't able to get an IV started on the kid. The guy who we first found finally stopped breathing and died and the helicopter MEDIVAC showed up after about 15 minutes to pick up the kid.

About that time the QRF arrived on the scene and was working on recovering the the damaged vehicle.

I was told that the kid was going to Ballad (a large air base about 40 minutes from where we were) and, the kid's father started to cry. He hugged me and kissed me on the cheek when he found out that he was going to an American hospital. I felt so ashamed.

The kid was cold and sweaty and looked half-dead when MEDIVAC arrived. I didn't even mention how the boys little brother stood by his older brother who was shot and held his hand why we tried to give him first aid. I don't know what happened to the kid and I don't know if he even lived.

I came to my senses and cut the zip-ties off of the two uncles. Again, I don't know why I cuffed them.

After the whole incident was over and the kid was taken away, We drove back home and pigged out on a huge lunch. The local Iraqi translator who we had with us that day kept saying "he was just a boy" and was really shaken up by the event. At the time, I was mostly numb to it and it didn't bother me. Since I got home from Iraq and since I've had kids, the memories and the images have come to really haunt me. So much so that when I play with my own children (who are 2 and 4 years old) that I frequently have flashes of what I saw that day and I have a hard time interacting with my own kids. I couldn't imagine losing my kids to the errant actions of some foreign Soldiers like that dad in Iraq lost his son to.

I hope this whole post makes sense. In the course of writing it I downed 3 beers and my two kids are going crazy running around the house while I'm mentally back in Iraq. They just want to play while I'm on the verge of a meltdown.

I almost don't even want to post this, but I hope someone can pull something worth reading out of it.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
18. Thanks for posting that
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:04 PM
Sep 2012

I have no words, but appreciate you taking the time to share your experience. I was rivited by the story and your writing.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
20. Thanks
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 06:59 AM
Sep 2012

I don't know what my point was in the whole story or why I wrote it all out. Nobody would probably believe me if I wrote out everything that happened to me when I was in Iraq, but this one event really stands out in my mind as the most traumatic for me. Being close and seeing firsthand who really pays the price for our wars really got to me.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
22. I think you should write it all out
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:53 PM
Sep 2012

Number 1, it will be therapeutic for you to get it out in a safe way, just put it on paper. Yes, you'll relive it, but I think in the long run, it will help to get it out.

And 2, you write beautifully and effectively.

I would love to read it if you ever published it.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
23. I would love write and publish something
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 07:21 PM
Sep 2012

I have thought about it for years, but my background has nothing at all to do with writing and I'm a little intimidated by the idea of writing a book. I'd love to get my experience in Iraq out there and be very frank and raw about what happened. You're rght, it would be therapeutic. If nothing else, writing it in a book form might make it easy for me to pass the stories on to my family (who I never really told what I did in Iraq).

I've never been told that I have any ability in writing. You did wonders for my ego! I'm a chemist by trade and I figured my writing was dry and technical.

If I ever have anything completed and/or published I'm sure I'll make a big deal about it on this forum. I don't know how you could write a detailed description of war and it not be antiwar by its very nature.

I think I'll start compiling stuff and see where it takes me.

Again, thanks.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
21. thanks
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 07:01 AM
Sep 2012

The sting has faded over the years (that was back in 2004) but I like to get things like that out into the public. Too many vets hold their stories in and never share anything. By default, I think everyone assumes that us vets are all heroes or something and they have no clue that so much of what war about isn't heroic and is completely disgusting.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
13. I remember that photo...It was devastating to those of us here on DU at the time...
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:31 AM
Sep 2012

So sorry to hear that the photo journalist who took it was killed in Libya. But, the images of what we did in Iraq and are doing in Afghanistan/Pakistan are yet to be revealed.

Hopefully Chris Hondros Getty Images will get more viewing. The "Faces of War" how soon we forget.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
15. Another snip from article: Her brother was sent to US for treatment, but died 3yrs later by bomb.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:44 AM
Sep 2012

(From the article)

"The pains of war have been visited on thousands of Iraqis, but even here Samar's story stands apart. Three years after her parents were killed, her brother Rakan died when an insurgent attack badly damaged the house where she lives now. Rakan had been seriously wounded in the shooting that killed their parents, and he was sent to Boston for treatment after Mr. Hondros's photos were published. An American aid worker, Marla Ruzicka, who helped arrange for Rakan's treatment, was herself later killed in a car bomb in Baghdad.
Intisar's husband, Nathir Bashir Ali, suspects his house was bombed by insurgents as retribution for sending Rakan to the United States. "When Rakan came back from America, everyone thought I was a spy," he said.



Samar left school last year because she was too shy and not doing well, Mr. Ali said, although Samar said she would like to return and hoped to be a doctor when she grew up. She leaves the house only on infrequent family excursions and has two friends who visit to play with dolls and chat. She spends her days cleaning, listening to music on her purple MP3 player and watching episodes of her favorite television show, the Turkish soap opera "Forbidden Love," about lovers named Mohanad and Samar.

"I am Samar," she said, wearing a long red dress and sitting on the couch next to Mr. Ali. Two of her siblings, also in the car when their parents were killed, sat nearby."

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