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The market is dropping. Tech stocks are taking. Trump and Kudlow are getting trashed on Bloomberg and CNBC. Is this the end for the white House?
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)NEVER take any responsibility for any thing, ever.
Underlying issues of the market are countless and being artificially propped up by $10 TRILLION bucks in FED funds/support is a ticking time bomb
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)We will have to see what happens over a longer period of time. The stock market is not a very good indicator in times like these.
empedocles
(15,751 posts). . . may not be prudent.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)However, the market goes up and down a lot, and most advisers counsel that shareholders stick with stocks for the long term, not the short term.
What I do know is that what happens one day is not much of a clue about where the market will be in a week, a month, or a year. Panic selling is generally a mistake if you sell because of a one-day drop in the DJIA.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)[However, 'buy and hold' may be treacherous for many here. The great preponderance of the economic stats and indicators should be looked, even if triggered by a one day panic selling.
[I do dread this situation. My 2 kids and their spouses have been fortunate in hold their jobs so far. Many others are falling].
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)and 29 million already unemployed...although it may be higher than. that.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)None of us know, and won't for some time, really.
We've had some large movements during Trump's "reign." I expect more of that.
I have not owned any stocks, nor stock funds, for years.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)They have give so much money to the market...that is the only reason it has been up.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)The indices overcorrected in the COVID plunge. A correction was due, and COVID caused panic selling. Many of these investors bought early during Obama, saw 16% per year, so even selling at 2,200 which is still 300% over 11 years.
Then when indices fell further, those same profits were reinvested at bargain rates.
Values rebounded, the the fed threw trillions at corporate bonds, cementing cash positions & funding new expansion at far more favorable debt load.
The markets shot past the upper limit of the aggregated microeconomic equilibrium, econometricians compute.
So, it's overvalued again.
Acknowledging the overvaluation, those that bought Dow shares at 18k, sold happily at 26k. 44.4% is 5 months!
The issue is that grabbing the profits now suggests an expectation of a larger correction to come.
So, given the overarching economic value, 1 or 2 days may be, and has been in the past, more of an indicator than your post suggests.
Like you, I'm no longer tied to the indexes nor to individual equities. My money is annuitized in three funds, with a weighted average 5.85% target yield. However, they're a hybrid investment/income insurance policy.
So, while the money is likely earning far more than 5.85%, these are "zero is hero" plans. The principal can never go down.
The volatility no longer means much to us, but I still can review the conditions that trigger fund reactions. I can't predict them, but I can definitely explain why things occurred quite a bit of the time.
Pretty sure, this is one of those times!
Walleye
(31,028 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)has been screaming at his enablers into this morning's dismal market reports. 'Do whatever necessary, by any MEANS!!!
[Looked like some possible pumping of the pre-markets, and opening bell - didn't hold].
DJIA down 421, S&P worse, Nsdq much worse so far.
'New York (CNN Business) Signs mounted all summer that the meteoric rise in the stock market was unsustainable.
Bullish investors drove Tesla's market value roughly equal to that of JPMorgan Chase (JPM) and Citigroup (C) -- combined. Apple's (AAPL) $2 trillion market cap recently surpassed that of the 2,000 companies that make up the small-cap Russell 2000. And the S&P 500's forward market valuation climbed to levels unseen since the dot-com bubble.
Euphoria was clearly taking over financial markets.'
Seems more clear that the trumper's claim of 'shortest Recession ever' was not true, or ever sustainable.
[Yes, the markets will bounce upward - my view is the summer's craziness, and now, is an opportunity to try and hold on to what you have].
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)and especially those who depend on the market for money for retirement. I just dont like the big emphasis on the Stock Market. There is a huge portion of America just not connected to the market at all except for dependency on companies doing well and the trickle down effects.
Thanks for the reply..
nevergiveup
(4,762 posts)Hoover in 1932 got 39.7% of the vote against FDR. Goldwater got 38.5% against LBJ in 1964. In modern times Wall Street never has nor will it ever abandon the GOP.