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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI haven't had a job in six years...
But I do alright.
I just finished doing my taxes for this year. That April 15th deadline is just a little restrictive, don't you think?
Still, I made over $13 million dollars and only paid 14.2% tax on it. Not bad, huh? Especially since the capital gains rate is 15%. Don't ask me how I was able to get around even a minimum amount like that? I'm not going to tell you.
I could almost get used to not working but I'm afraid some folks might think I'm a moocher and taking advantage of government handouts.
I spend a lot of time with my tax people. I know every loophole in the book. And I use them to my advantage. It's the American thing to do.
upi402
(16,854 posts)and is therefore not qualified to be President - his words.
(unless he's full of shit, of course!)
lol
kentuck
(111,104 posts)Needs a little work, don't you think?
upi402
(16,854 posts)we have no opposition party trying to clean up the corruption and criminality. not even a decent series of investigations.
but... keeping hope alive. hope he's doing a 4 year rope-a-dope.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Brilliant!
Ill-gotten through shady deals made possible by buying members of congress and using loopholes and offshore accounts.
And the more you have, the more you have to spend to buy the best cheat advisers, to make even MORE money, etc., etc....
When will we ever shut this down?
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Did he invent anything? Did he even shuffle papers at a desk job? Did he create any American jobs for which he received $13 million?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)in an accounting sense. For my own example.
I bought 15 shares of a particular stock on Jan 18th 2011 at 48.69. Then I bought another ten shares at 43.90 on March 24th. Bought another 7 shares on August 5th at 33.98 and another 13 shares on Augist 11th at 29.44.
So far, I am doing great, eh. Throwing good money after bad.
Then I sold 20 shares on March 19th, 2012 at $37.58.
The question is WHICH 20 shares did I sell? By FIFO counting (First In, First Out) I have lost money.
But, as I understand it, I am not required to use FIFO. By my own record keeping, I have made $111.08 in profit and still hold 25 shares where my break even point is 48. That's the way I look at it, but I can sort of report it to the IRS how I want. Not making up numbers of course, but picking which 20 shares that I sold, cost wise.
Continuing though, I bought 25 shares on 5-3 for $32.31 bought 25 more on 5-23 for $26.1 (so far I am doing just great, but it does make the sale at 37 look very good.) Then I bought 100 on 7-9 for 26.02. Sold 75 on 7-13 for $26.40 (made $11.14 but the earnings report was coming out on the 15th and I was nervous, decided to reduce my exposure and make a little bit of profit before that report, especially since the CEO was not talking optimistic. In hindsight, it was a very bad move - sorta).
Then sold 50 more at 27.11 on July 30th. For a mere gain of $30. However, the stock went down to about 26.1 from there and I was (I swear I was) gonna buy another 100 shares. But there was a jobs report coming out the next day. Anticipating bad news, I thought the stock might go down to 25.8 or so.
But it was not bad news and instead the stock has taken off and now stands at about $34.
Big players are playing these games much more often and also have the ability to hedge their bets, like I did on July 13. Fearing bad news, I sold half my holdings just in case. If it was good news, then I would make even more on the other half, and if it was bad news, I could take the gain from the half I sold and buy again when the price went down. Same thing with the jobs report. Having a good price on Thursday before the jobs report I could have bought 5,000 shares if I was Mitt Romney (or his fund manager). If the jobs report was bad, I could buy another 5,000 at an even better price, and if the jobs report was good I would at least still make money on that first 5,000. In fact, I shoulda bought 50 shares myself and I would not be kicking myself so hard every time I check the market.
I am still out about $150 on the transactions that I have listed (not including the gains which would reduce my losses to about zero), but so far I have turn a $5,000 investment into $5,490.93. If I'd been playing with more money, I coulda turned $5,000,000 into $5, 490,930 and I fully expect to get that $150 back and then some within the next five years.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)Since I'm not working, I really think I'm paying too much in taxes. I think my tax rate should be zero. What do you think?