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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:21 PM Sep 2012

Mother Jones: How the Tea Party Killed Mitt Romney

Of all Romney’s primary-season decisions, the most damaging was his choice to repel the challenges from Perry and Gingrich by attacking them from the right—and using immigration as his cudgel. That process led Romney to embrace a succession of edgy, conservative positions anathema to many Hispanics, including denouncing Texas for providing in-state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants; praising Arizona’s immigration-enforcement law; and, above all, promising to make life so difficult for the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants that they would “self-deport.”

Romney’s inability to dent Obama’s support among Hispanics (or other minorities) means the GOP nominee probably can’t win without attracting at least 61 percent of white voters. Yet a second early decision has greatly compounded that challenge. Through the primaries, Romney embraced an unreservedly conservative social agenda (such as defunding Planned Parenthood and allowing employers to deny contraception coverage in health insurance plans), especially after Santorum emerged as his principal rival. That positioning helps explain why polls consistently show Obama drawing a majority of college-educated white women—not only the most socially liberal sector of the white electorate but also the fastest-growing. If Obama can hold a majority of those women and match his 80 percent with all minorities in 2008, Romney would have to carry two-thirds of all other whites to win—as much as Ronald Reagan won among those remaining voters in his 1984 landslide.

Sure. This is just another way of saying that the Tea Party has been Romney's downfall. They forced Romney too far to the right and didn't give him the room (or the trust) to move back toward the center during the general election.

In other words, the fundamentals predicted a fairly close election, which means that the candidate and the campaign really mattered this year. All that horserace stuff played a real role. But the tea party made it impossible to play that role smartly. They've moved so far outside the mainstream that they make demands on politicians that doom them in a general election.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/09/how-tea-party-killed-mitt-romney

Not exactly a news-flash but a well written article on the impact of the tea party on romney's candidacy.

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Mother Jones: How the Tea Party Killed Mitt Romney (Original Post) pampango Sep 2012 OP
For once, the Tea Party has actually done something useful Blue Owl Sep 2012 #1
Oh, they're not done. They still have a whole party do destroy in the next few years corkhead Sep 2012 #10
And for flip-flop mittens, the irony is delicious. n/t eggplant Sep 2012 #16
Astute political Cha Sep 2012 #28
Not exactly a news-flash Flashmann Sep 2012 #2
Good article! Thanks for posting it. DonViejo Sep 2012 #3
Tea Party Not Dead Yet Vogon_Glory Sep 2012 #21
Tea party politics is doing extremely well in TX. ananda Sep 2012 #32
Don't blame ME. I voted Democratic n/t Vogon_Glory Sep 2012 #33
Be awesome to send Cha Sep 2012 #29
"self deport" sounds like vigilantism to me & that message from people absolutely in love with guns. patrice Sep 2012 #4
What's hilarious is that the concept of "self-deportation" started as a goof! Cooley Hurd Sep 2012 #7
Wow! Proof positive of how Republicans, apparently so used to privilege, think just saying something patrice Sep 2012 #13
LOL! deafskeptic Sep 2012 #37
I hope Obama gets in a mention of self-deportation at the debates nt flamingdem Sep 2012 #5
Which reminds me.. did Univision ask Cha Sep 2012 #30
Where did the Tea Party come from? patrice Sep 2012 #6
I had thought that some Republicans would join forces with Democrats to fight the TP. randome Sep 2012 #8
Anyone who knows anything about focus grouping should wonder where the word "unzip" cam from, I mean patrice Sep 2012 #9
Whoa! Well said! randome Sep 2012 #11
Yep. Either she is that stupid and whorish, or they are listening to some stupid whorish people, or patrice Sep 2012 #14
Pampango, great article and also the link in your sig line. Very good stuff there. freshwest Sep 2012 #12
The Tea Party is to republicans what ultra-Liberals once were to Democrats. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #15
What is called "ultra-liberal" now, Doc_Technical Sep 2012 #19
Hell, Liberal These Days Is Almost Vogon_Glory Sep 2012 #22
K&R DeSwiss Sep 2012 #17
Exactly, DeSwiss.. Cha Sep 2012 #31
I hate to say it but Mother Jones is wrong.... LynneSin Sep 2012 #18
And the T-baggers will kill the republican party also magic59 Sep 2012 #20
They are running the GOP right over the cliff, and the cowards in closeupready Sep 2012 #23
Since Rmoney and Ryan lie so easily ejbr Sep 2012 #24
After the Obama victory... SHRED Sep 2012 #25
Disagree with thesis believeinhope Sep 2012 #26
Yep I agree with you Ian62 Sep 2012 #34
At least locally the T-party was more than just a collection of bad economic/fiscal ideas quaker bill Sep 2012 #36
"In other words, the fundamentals predicted a fairly close election" Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #27
Um, yeah, sort of, but actually Mother Jones killed the Romney campaign tavalon Sep 2012 #35

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
10. Oh, they're not done. They still have a whole party do destroy in the next few years
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:45 PM
Sep 2012

the real irony is that his trying to stay true to what he said in the primaries is part of what is doing him in.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
3. Good article! Thanks for posting it.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:29 PM
Sep 2012

The Tea Party is helping the Republican Party swirl around the ceramic bowl. I think if the Dems recapture the House, we'll be able to play taps for the Tea Party.

Vogon_Glory

(9,127 posts)
21. Tea Party Not Dead Yet
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:17 PM
Sep 2012

The Tea Party isn't dead yet. It's still got enought strength to determine Republican primary winners in the Mountain West and in former Confederate states. Republican politicians will hold on, if for no other reason that the Democratic parties in so many of those states has been on the ropes for so long that a Republican Party nomination is a ticket to getting elected.

I hope to see that cycle come to an end in Texas, but I fear we're still several elections away from that point.

In the meantime I am reveling in the fact that the Tea Party bunch is going to force the Republicans to nominate another unelectable presidential candidate in 2016 and maybe in 2020.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
4. "self deport" sounds like vigilantism to me & that message from people absolutely in love with guns.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:31 PM
Sep 2012

That is, in love with their own guns - AND - pumping high volume of ANY and all guns across our southern border as fast as they can.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
7. What's hilarious is that the concept of "self-deportation" started as a goof!
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:36 PM
Sep 2012
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/the-deep-comic-roots-of-self-deportation/

As the radio program “This American Life” reminded its audience on Tuesday, there is an argument to be made that the term self-deportation was invented in 1994 by two Mexican-American satirists, Lalo Alcaraz and Esteban Zul. That year, “sickened” by a ballot initiative known as Proposition 187, which aimed to prohibit illegal immigrants from using state-run hospitals and schools in California, the comedians began posing as conservative activists who backed the measure.

The two men started a satirical media campaign to support the initiative, faxing radio and television stations a fake news release that touted the benefits of “self-deportation centers” and invited reporters seeking more information to call a Latino Republican and “militant self-deportationist” named Daniel D. Portado. Eventually the men founded “Hispanics Against Liberal Takeover,” or Halto, and produced a mock radio ad, in which Portado claimed to support “California Gov. Pete Wilson’s self-deportation message.”

Apparently unaware that Portado was a fictional character, in November 1994 the Spanish-language channel Telemundo invited him to appear on television defending the proposed ballot initiative just days before voters went to the polls. The comedians accepted the invitation, and Mr. Alcaraz showed up, pretending to be Portado, with Mr. Zul at his side, playing the part of the conservative activist’s bodyguard. In an e-mail to The Lede on Tuesday, Mr. Alcaraz recalled, “I was in character at the Telemundo show, and neither the participants nor the producers were aware of our true identity.” Two years after the event, Mr. Zul told The Chicago Reader, “It was the longest half-hour of my life.”

Mr. Alcaraz, who is now an award-winning editorial cartoonist and the editor of the Chicano humor site Pocho.com, is convinced that California’s governor at the time only started using the phrase self-deportation after it was injected into the body politic by the satirical news releases.


Leave it to the Repugs to not understand "irony".

patrice

(47,992 posts)
13. Wow! Proof positive of how Republicans, apparently so used to privilege, think just saying something
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:00 PM
Sep 2012

makes it so.



Alcaraz & Zul pulled one off that belongs in the history of these times.

Cha

(297,503 posts)
30. Which reminds me.. did Univision ask
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 05:43 PM
Sep 2012

Mitt Romney about "self deportation" with his man tan? I read they were asking Pres Obama about some of his "failures".

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. I had thought that some Republicans would join forces with Democrats to fight the TP.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:40 PM
Sep 2012

I thought it would take a year or two for that to happen but now I'm thinking it will be sooner. The 'smart' Republicans (yes, I know) will see that a worse enemy for them is the TP.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
9. Anyone who knows anything about focus grouping should wonder where the word "unzip" cam from, I mean
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:44 PM
Sep 2012

is Ann really that stupid and whorish?

Or did someone tell her that her fan club recommends that she boost, excuse me , Romney's sex appeal, because her female Tea Party base has a chronic "wandering eye"?

patrice

(47,992 posts)
14. Yep. Either she is that stupid and whorish, or they are listening to some stupid whorish people, or
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:03 PM
Sep 2012

the stupid whorish people they are listening to evoked their complement in her.

It's ALL bad. I mean, she was talking about her HUSBAND here, wow!, just holy fracking Wow!

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
15. The Tea Party is to republicans what ultra-Liberals once were to Democrats.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:08 PM
Sep 2012

A group that doom their party chances of gaining control and at least getting SOME of what those extreme groups want done.

Vogon_Glory

(9,127 posts)
22. Hell, Liberal These Days Is Almost
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:21 PM
Sep 2012

Hell, "liberal" these days is almost moderate-conservative. President Obama's economic agenda has more in common with Richard Nixon's that those wild-eyed "marxist-socialist" fantasies right wing-nuts claim Democrats are pursuing.

Cha

(297,503 posts)
31. Exactly, DeSwiss..
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 05:49 PM
Sep 2012

The mad haters ..er, hatters want the whole gop down the rabbit hole.

Horsey!

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
18. I hate to say it but Mother Jones is wrong....
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:31 PM
Sep 2012

Tea Party isn't killing Mitt Romney but the entire GOP party.

Today's GOP is not the party of Dwight Eisenhowser or Abraham Lincoln. Hell I think even Ronald Reagan would come across too liberal for today's Tea Party standards.

The Tea Party has allowed for hateful, racist, homophobic people to have a voice and to be honest this is not a voice we want for America.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
23. They are running the GOP right over the cliff, and the cowards in
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:23 PM
Sep 2012

that disgusting party are frightened of them, so much so that they won't push back.

Which, hey, is all good, as far as I'm concerned.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
24. Since Rmoney and Ryan lie so easily
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:29 PM
Sep 2012

they should have lied to the country to pretend to be moderate and hope that the Tea Party hated Obama enough to vote for him anyway. THEN, once in office, he could demonstrate that he is a liar.

believeinhope

(16 posts)
26. Disagree with thesis
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:41 PM
Sep 2012

I don't think the tea party has much of anything to do with Romney's problems. Romney is as un-Tea Party as you can find. He ran as far away from them as possible and he and his people specifically distanced themselves from the tea party. He's a legacy/establishment pluto/technocrat from MA. The tea party is more of a populist movement from the South and West. He's a perfect representative of the GOP establishment, of the Bush wing of the party that the tea party aims to repudiate.

He went out of his way to stiff the tea party during this campaign. Never did any tea party events/rallies. Never got involved in any of the tea party primaries in states like TX, IN and elsewhere. Made his convention as removed from the tea party as possible. Very few if any top tea party associated figures spoke. The term tea party wasn't even said during the RNC.

The issues the article mentions don't really have much to do with the tea party. Immigration has never been a major issue of theirs. Neither have the social issues like abortion or contraception.

Look at various major tea party events/gatherings and figures and they rarely if ever talk about immigration or social issues. None of those town halls in 2010 focused on them. For example, consider Sarah Palin's speech in IA last year. She never mentioned either. Look at folks like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Jim DeMint, Marco Rubio, etc... they rarely talk about them either.

The Tea Party's animating issues are economic/fiscal. Less spending, smaller govt, lower taxes, the health care law, etc... They're not really interested in social issues.

In 2010 when the tea party was at its apex the GOP got 40% of the hispanic vote, its highest # ever in a midterm. The GOP won women overall 49-48 their best performance in a midterm in at least 50 years, and won white women 60-39, also their best performance in a midterm.

If things like immigration and abortion/contraception were that important there's no way they would have done that well back then. If so, how does the writer explain the GOP/tea party doing so well among groups he says they should have the biggest trouble with?

How did a tea party dominated GOP do so well among hispanics in 2010? Among women and white women especially? Maybe their position aren't as anathema as some think.

Romney is in trouble for a # of other reasons.

 

Ian62

(604 posts)
34. Yep I agree with you
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:06 PM
Sep 2012

Mother Jones usually produces exceptionally well researched and written articles.

But on this one they have got it totally wrong and obviously from a position of ignorance.

Romney is waaay off what the Tea Party started out as.
But the Tea Party no longer exists in any meaningful sense.
It has been absorbed into the corrupt GOP Establishment.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
36. At least locally the T-party was more than just a collection of bad economic/fiscal ideas
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 07:28 AM
Sep 2012

It was clearly about "American Values" that implied a far broader swath of things and used the "size of Government" as a proxy to express them. The "Obama as Hitler" and "Obama as the Joker" signs were plentiful said most of what you needed to know. The fact that the KKK described itself as a social club that celebrated "Southern Heritage" does not mean that is what it was. The T-party was a protest movement over the results of the 2008 election, and one I was sure would happen the moment I knew the election results.

The size of Government never was the problem, nor was the size of the deficit/debt, until the people had the audacity to elect Barack Obama. Barack Obama "blew up the deficit" by putting W's war expenditures on the books for the first time. Before that, the same money was being spent, it just did not count. Further, taxes, the debt, and the deficit had nothing to do with the economic problems we were going through, it had absolutely no relevance what so ever, and still doesn't.

I do tend to agree however that the T-party is not soley responsible for Rmoney and his problems. Rmoney was not only required to be a greater "fiscal conservative", but also a greater "nativist conservative", and a greater "social conservative", with a bit of great "libertarian conservative" tossed in for good measure. Had Ron Paul done better, he would have had to go even more "libertarian", but that is water under the bridge. All that stuff welds up into a hodgepodge of ideas that cannot be reconciled to one another. A big reason why his plans are "see me after the election" is that he cannot come across with a detailed plan without angering a significant portion of his "base", because the various elements want different things with some passion. This too was predictable and a reason why many of the potentially bigger republican names took a pass on 2012.

When an ideology collapses, this sort of thing happens. The diehards in various policy directions get determined that it was not their portion of the orthodoxy that caused the failure, it was the other misguided souls that caused a "lack of focus" and "destroyed our chances". "If we only stuck with my priorities and ignored the other stuff we would have won" the argument goes.

I spent a long time in the peace and environmental movements after the Carter, Mondale, and Dukakis, defeats. The argument was the same, though the favored policy positions were wildly different. All the factions "had the answer" and anyone who did not agree "had it wrong" on some level. It was impossible to build a movement of it, and I tried. Rmoney is a personally flawed candidate who would not have come close to the nomination if the repugs were united. Out of their division he ended up with the nom by default, he had the $ and straddled the middle of their divide well enough.

To the repugs around my office, I predicted that BHO would win re-election comfortably in early 2009 after he was in office for only a couple of months. I made the prediction because I expected this sort of division. They laughed then. They don't bring up the issue anymore.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
27. "In other words, the fundamentals predicted a fairly close election"
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 03:05 PM
Sep 2012

Okay, I like that term in this case as there are election watchers that really do act like they are members of a cult full of non truths.

They are the ones who go into history and make predictions based on prior elections and come up with all of these weird and inaccurate models and pat each other on the back for their wisdom while ignoring the fact that the game is different. It's mostly composed of white males who talk to other white males and minorities are considered to be an outlier in their minds and women are lumped in with those minorities.

Even by their own standards their assumptions don't fit. I did an animated gif years ago based on modern election trends from 1960 to 2004. It's a little crude and could use a do over but it gives you an idea of how much this country has refused to go along with their whole "it's always been a close race decided by a few swing states" lie.

[IMG][/IMG]

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
35. Um, yeah, sort of, but actually Mother Jones killed the Romney campaign
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:29 AM
Sep 2012

Well, actually, Romney killed the campaign but Mother Jones lifted the curtain so we could watch.

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