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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:04 PM Sep 2012

Police investigate Obama supporter's missing sign, ominous message in anonymous letter

On Monday she placed a political sign supporting President Barack Obama on her lawn in the 1400 block of Clover Drive. The next day, the sign was gone.

Silva thought little of it until she opened her mail a few days later.

She found a letter — stamped with no return address — with a picture of a dismembered baby and the words “Obama: pro-death baby killer” marked in all caps across the bottom of the page, Silva and Amarillo police said.

“This has gone beyond debate. It’s hate,” she said. “We should all have the right to voice our opinion.”

Silva called police, and officers collected the letter as evidence.

Amarillo police Sgt. Brent Barbee said while officers have seen direct or personal threats by mail, he never has run across a case like Silva’s. Prosecutors will review it to determine whether a crime was committed, he said.

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“I hope people will be
respectful of each other,” she said.

Potter County Republican Chairwoman Tonya Detten echoed that sentiment.

“I condemn that behavior,” she said. “That kind of behavior is atrocious.”

http://m.amarillo.com/news/local-news/2012-09-20/police-eye-sign-theft-ominous-message

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Police investigate Obama supporter's missing sign, ominous message in anonymous letter (Original Post) seabeyond Sep 2012 OP
When my sister's Obama sign was stolen, she put up one that said "Thou shalt not steal." aquart Sep 2012 #1
oh, that is cute. hubby sent me the article. i asked him, so... seabeyond Sep 2012 #2
How do they know that the theft of the sign was ... surrealAmerican Sep 2012 #3
Really? DURHAM D Sep 2012 #12
Yes, really. surrealAmerican Sep 2012 #25
It had to be someone that noticed her sign and knows she's an Obama supporter. Indpndnt Sep 2012 #13
Possibly. . . Borchkins Sep 2012 #17
Repugs can't win in a fair fight. louis-t Sep 2012 #4
That's why we call them malaise Sep 2012 #6
I have been trying to think of ways to handle these petty thugs liberal N proud Sep 2012 #5
Get 10 signs KurtNYC Sep 2012 #8
Now, now. Animals have MUCH MORE integrity than those Teabilly haters catbyte Sep 2012 #11
Take them in at night. Indpndnt Sep 2012 #15
Someone on DU had a great post about this four years ago. hifiguy Sep 2012 #18
Bird-B-Gone - a sticky repulsive ooze that's hard to get off NBachers Sep 2012 #30
Some great ideas here liberal N proud Sep 2012 #34
Thank You! I think I'll do that :-) Care Acutely Sep 2012 #35
How about some of those EC Sep 2012 #33
Ahem. I've heard of this being done by...someone...who has had their Democratic yard signs stolen Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #37
What are the odds that the person might be allergic to peanuts or something? LiberalFighter Sep 2012 #38
In 2008... Laxman Sep 2012 #7
If they put something in your mailbox without paying postage, it is a federal crime liberal N proud Sep 2012 #9
2004 i had 11 bumper stickers on my car. i actually had a man jump out of his car seabeyond Sep 2012 #10
I'm impressed. I've never heard that Amarillo is that tolerant. Indpndnt Sep 2012 #19
yowser... that is something. i read that happened somewhere. seabeyond Sep 2012 #22
Nope. Indpndnt Sep 2012 #28
oh, really. and i am trying to get son down there cause it is way more liberal seabeyond Sep 2012 #29
Oh, it is! That's one of the reasons this is so aggravating. Indpndnt Sep 2012 #31
yes. i know. more a tease... seabeyond Sep 2012 #32
There are a certain number of unhinged assholes out there hifiguy Sep 2012 #14
incredibly sad and horrible. seabeyond Sep 2012 #23
Yes it was. And Minneapolis is about as blue hifiguy Sep 2012 #26
Whether a crime was committed? daleanime Sep 2012 #16
Pro-Lifers, probably. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #20
absolutely. strong in this area. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #24
That's sad and creepy. HappyMe Sep 2012 #21
Sign of the times get the red out Sep 2012 #27
Looks like one of those anti-abortion extremists hard at work meow2u3 Sep 2012 #36
Buy a trail camera or two hootinholler Sep 2012 #39
Republican at work. L0oniX Sep 2012 #40
I had four, or five, John Kerry signs stolen jdadd Sep 2012 #41
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. oh, that is cute. hubby sent me the article. i asked him, so...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:13 PM
Sep 2012

does this mean we put up signs to support silvia or we do not put up signs cause we are afraid....

lol

ah ha.

i am gonna get me some signs.

surrealAmerican

(11,363 posts)
3. How do they know that the theft of the sign was ...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:16 PM
Sep 2012

... connected to the letter writer? They could easily be unrelated incidents by two different people.

surrealAmerican

(11,363 posts)
25. Yes, really.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:43 PM
Sep 2012

You think there's only one hater in her neighborhood or something?

The sort of people who stealthily take people's signs are usually not the same sort who send hate mail.
They might have similar motives, yet these seem like very different crimes somehow.

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
13. It had to be someone that noticed her sign and knows she's an Obama supporter.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:30 PM
Sep 2012

Even if they are two different people stealing the sign and sending the letter, the sentiment is the same. Both incidents should be investigated.

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
4. Repugs can't win in a fair fight.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:17 PM
Sep 2012

They have to cheat, lie, steal, threaten, intimidate.... It's their ideology.

liberal N proud

(60,339 posts)
5. I have been trying to think of ways to handle these petty thugs
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:18 PM
Sep 2012

I too have signs stolen. I even caught a group on night stealing my sign.

I have thought of different methods to either thwart the thieves or at least make it miserable for them.

My first idea was to hook the wire up to an electric fence transformer, but then PETA would get for cruelty to animals (the thugs).
Then I thought about putting a dye packet inside with a wire attached to the ground, when they ran with it, it would open all over them. That is a lot of trouble unless you have access to the dye packs used by banks.

My latest idea has to do with coating the sign with something they would get all over them. It would have to be something that could be applied after the sign was put in the yard, something that will not set up or dry up and it has to be something that would be obnoxious.

I am thinking that if you coated the sign with a thin layer of mentholated rub, it would stink really well, wouldn't be visible until you grabbed the sign and would get all over your clothes as you were running away with the sign.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
8. Get 10 signs
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:24 PM
Sep 2012

Put them one out. If it is gone then immediately put up another as if nothing happened.

I wonder if anyone has tried a GPS tracker like the one embedded in the 'fast and furious' gun stocks.

catbyte

(34,433 posts)
11. Now, now. Animals have MUCH MORE integrity than those Teabilly haters
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:26 PM
Sep 2012

Please don't insult our friends in the animal kingdom!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
18. Someone on DU had a great post about this four years ago.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:34 PM
Sep 2012

I think their solution was to rub habanero extract or pure capsaicin on the edges of the sign. If the thieving goofballs touch that and then happen to touch nose, eyes, or other tender bits they will be in a world of hurt. It doesn't wash off very easily either.

EC

(12,287 posts)
33. How about some of those
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:27 PM
Sep 2012

hunting scent sprays? Really make them stink if they get it on them. Deer urine?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
37. Ahem. I've heard of this being done by...someone...who has had their Democratic yard signs stolen
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:36 PM
Sep 2012

In trucking, there is a type of grease used for lubricating the fifth wheel of a tractor that is impregnated with graphite.

It is incredibly tacky, almost complete waterproof, immediately stains whatever fabric it touches, and is almost impossible to wash off of any surface without scrubbing with a solvent like brake cleaner (and even then, still makes a huge mess), and is dirt cheap.

Never dries out, never loses its tack.

If you get some on you and don't realize it, you end up spreading it EVERYWHERE.

Not toxic unless you eat it.

Coat the edges and the legs of any sign with the graphite-based fifth-wheel grease.

Unless the thief uses gloves and doesn't touch the grease to anything else in any way, the resulting mess might give them pause next time.

LiberalFighter

(51,046 posts)
38. What are the odds that the person might be allergic to peanuts or something?
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 05:31 PM
Sep 2012

Attaching a sign large enough to it suggesting that peanut dust or other items might have been coated on the sign.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
7. In 2008...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:20 PM
Sep 2012

We had an Obama sign on our front lawn in a neighborhood where we've lived for over 20 years. The sign was stolen and in our mailbox was an anonymous letter full of the nastiest most vile and personal comments about us and how dare we support Obama... obviously from one of our neighbors. At the time I was working out of town from Monday to Friday and it was very unnerving to leave my wife and kids back home. It had to be one of our neighbors because of the personal nature of the letter. What hateful and deranged people. Cowardly too. If you have something to say, say it to me directly. Not like they couldn't find me cutting my grass or walking down the street. But then again, I guess confronting a 6'2" 250lb guy face to face might have been a bit much for them. However, this is the nature of the modern day republican. Mean, nasty, hateful and cowardly. I'm still proud to be an Obama supporter in my uber-conservative town.

liberal N proud

(60,339 posts)
9. If they put something in your mailbox without paying postage, it is a federal crime
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:26 PM
Sep 2012

Call the postmaster general if that happens again.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. 2004 i had 11 bumper stickers on my car. i actually had a man jump out of his car
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:26 PM
Sep 2012

at a stop light, pound on my window until i rolled down, and told me how much he LOVED my stickers. i had one young guy stop me and say... that is YOUR car? i heard about YOUR car. lol. they were polite and positive stickers, but all with a message for progressive, love, peace, smart....

2004 adn 2008 we had yard signs. i live on a corner. huge lot. so i needed four to place them where i was hitting so much area.

never had a sign stolen. or anyone say anything. all repug here. most know i am a liberal. it is a house people in town know for different reasons. and know husband cause of his circle and business. he never had a problem.

i expected issues. i was pleasantly surprised.

though.... after 2006 election where we got the house, i had three incidents in a row that was aggressive young white boys/men and that got me to take my stickers off.

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
19. I'm impressed. I've never heard that Amarillo is that tolerant.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:34 PM
Sep 2012

Good to know! We hang empty chairs here.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
22. yowser... that is something. i read that happened somewhere.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:37 PM
Sep 2012

where? kansas? seems like lots of shit happens in kansas. lol

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
29. oh, really. and i am trying to get son down there cause it is way more liberal
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:17 PM
Sep 2012

than the panhandle and he is off to college next year.

lol, huh

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
31. Oh, it is! That's one of the reasons this is so aggravating.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:22 PM
Sep 2012

But that happened in the suburbs (about 12 miles or so from downtown) and is an isolated case.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
32. yes. i know. more a tease...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:25 PM
Sep 2012

we find the bigotry in all areas. that is why it is bullshit when florida and texas are exculsively attacked. it is everywhere.

lets see, .... blue state of calif (where i am from) gave us reagan.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
14. There are a certain number of unhinged assholes out there
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:30 PM
Sep 2012

no matter where you are. Some brave culture warriors here in Minneapolis killed a cat and left it staked to an Obama sign a few weeks back.

There are a lot of bent arrows walking around that should be in nice soft places that are surrounded by razor wire.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
26. Yes it was. And Minneapolis is about as blue
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:44 PM
Sep 2012

a city as can be imagined. Can't imagine what it's like in areas where there are a lot of baggers and fundies. I live in a racially mixed family area - quite a few little kids - and all I see are Obama stickers and signs against the constitutional amendment barring marriage equality. So I can't complain much.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
21. That's sad and creepy.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:35 PM
Sep 2012

We had someone scrawl 'asshole' on our Clinton signs. My ex called the local Dem office and they brought us a huge Clinton sign.
They left that one alone.

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
27. Sign of the times
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:44 PM
Sep 2012

I almost didn't even put an Obama sticker on my car since I've only had it a year and live in Kentucky, where the lady got stomped on the ground at a Tea Party rally for Rand Paul a couple of years ago. The sticker I did use is very small and on my back windshield. I admit to being afraid of tea party types, they aren't known for sanity or the desire for discourse.

I miss the way things were in my childhood, nobody cared what other neighbors' politics were except in passing. There wasn't much threat of violence or harassment.

meow2u3

(24,768 posts)
36. Looks like one of those anti-abortion extremists hard at work
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 02:10 PM
Sep 2012

I don't call those terrorists pro-life because if they were, they wouldn't be accusing Democrats of being the baby killers they are.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
39. Buy a trail camera or two
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:56 PM
Sep 2012

You will have photos of the person actually stealing the sign. Then you may have grounds for a first amendment suit, they committed a crime to deny your rights.

jdadd

(1,314 posts)
41. I had four, or five, John Kerry signs stolen
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:04 PM
Sep 2012

I finally wired one up,to my electric fence charger, leaving the wire in plain sight....that one got left alone. I lived in a rural area at that time, most folks around me, knew what an electric fence looks like.....

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