Hillary Clinton tweets out on Maureen Dowd's egregious blunder of a column today:

[George II]

NY Times correction:

An earlier version of this column incorrectly stated the history of the Democratic ticket. It has been 36 years since a man chose a woman to run as his vice-president on the Democratic ticket, not 36 years since a man and a woman ran together on a Democratic Party ticket.

Link to tweet

WASHINGTON — On the cusp of Joe Biden teaming up with a woman, I am casting back to my time covering the first woman who was a serious contender for veep.

The feminist fairy tale — which began with women crying and popping champagne on the convention floor in San Francisco in 1984 — had a sad ending. Cinderella with ashes in her mouth.

It’s hard to fathom, but it took another 36 years for a man to choose to put a woman on the Democratic ticket with him. To use Geraldine Ferraro’s favorite expression, “Gimme a break!”

[bluedye33139]

1. Dowd sought legitimacy by promoting Whitewater

I literally have not ever read an entire column by her since then.

Yes, that's a bit extreme, but she was foul. She made up about 20% of the Whitewater allegations.

[Lonestarblue]

24. I'm with you.

I refuse to read her columns because of her anti-Clinton nonsense.

[obamanut2012]

25. I had never heard hw she made up some of it

Ugh.

I believe it.

[bluedye33139]

35. Jeff Gerth and Dowd were given free rein to create endless whitewater accusations

https://www.amazon.com/Fools-Scandal-Media-Invented-Whitewater/dp/1879957523

"Lyons argues that Whitewater is basically a hoax created and sustained by the media. He singles out the New York Times for special attention and offers a detailed critique of its Whitewater coverage; four major stories from the Times are included in the appendix. The partisan sources that journalists have relied on for their articles are documented here," says one review

[StarfishSaver]

26. I stopped reading Maureen a long time ago

I just can't take her mean girl tone and attitude. I didn't deal with girls like her in high school and I don't give women like her the time of day now.

[agingdem]

30. She hated the Clintons

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not because they were Democrats but because they weren't
Washington DC elite...she thought they were common, no pedigree....how dare they go where they clearly didn't belong (Dowd in't exactly descended from royalty but she is the ultimate social climber)...she loved Bush I...didn't care for Bush II..pretty sure she wasn't much of an Obama fan...had more to do with color than ideology..Dowd's columns are a reflection of her...vindictive snarky grievances...she needs to go away and she can take Andrea Mitchell with her...I sometimes think Andrea and Maureen are the same person...

[bluedye33139]

34. Reading hers like reading Mean Girl social media posts

And her concerns are not policy or ideology but pedigree and social class. I really have never liked her.

[virgogal]

2. Maureen Dowd is right,it's about

a man choosing a woman,not a woman choosing a man.

[LiberalBrooke]

3. How about McCain choosing Palin?

[JHB]

7. They weren't on the Democratic ticket

But you'd think that might clue her in that this isn't a subject worth a column.

[Hortensis]

12. :) That choice reminds me of our blue dog #FiveWhiteMen

Democrats saying if the house wanted a woman speaker they had a lot of women to choose from, any of them could do the job, no need to settle for some old hag.

The attempt of their fellows over in McCain and company to "out-Democrat the Democrats" was an nuclear-grade failure because they didn't know how. And made a horrible choice for the wrong reasons. President Palin?!

An argument at least that McCain-Palin shouldn't be counted as an attempt to elect a woman VP, it was strictly an attempt to elect an old white man.

[certainot]

16. putin/manafort/limbaugh pushed palin on mccain. manafort was campaign cochair and

we know manafort was already working for the russians then - his job was getting their preferred candidates elected around the world. limbaugh would not support mccain's choices of pawlenty or lieberman and friday before the GOP convention mccain announced palin minutes before the limbaugh show started - at the start of that show limbaugh announced that he could now support mccain. without his blessing the convention would have been a disaster. palin had been wooed by russian oil and gas interests.

technically mccain had to choose palin or he would not have talk radio's support going into the convention.

i forgot who but someone well known in republican politics blamed limbaugh for losing the election. before leaving the white house bush had limbaugh in for a private birthday party and they gave him a chocolate cake shaped like a 'microphone' - he told his audience proudly about this after that weekend and then may have realized when someone pointed it out, that bush rove may have been saying "thanks a lot. now suck on this for 8 years"

these were way too many coincidences for media and dems not to consider it early evidence of russian use of talk radio, and limbaugh specifically

[Kitchari]

17. Good summary

Good insight

[certainot]

32. if true it means the collusion keeps going right under everyone's noses

it means the mueller investigation was way too limited altho there are clues in the un-redacted parts
it means putin has been using talk radio since at least then whether the blowhards know it or not. limbaugh would be especially valuable to feed. guys like jerome corsi need to be asked why he wrote nearly every day in october 2014 that ebola was coming and then stopped right after they got 9 senate seats in the election - limbaugh was echoing that.

media needs to stop having sam nunberg on without asking him why he said he "listened to 1000s of hours of talk radio" for trump in 2014. who paid for that and did those reports he said trump was getting also go to coordinate russian trolls, one of whom said he "got a list of topics to write about" in 2014.

were the russians behind the anti-repub establishment tea party? in 2009 "climategate" started from a russian hack and wikileaks helped and then within about 4 days limbaugh was gung ho on it for a week to derail obama in copenhagen - saving putin many billions in fossil fuels. corsi was involved too. and what republican billionaires would want limbaugh to push for debt default for 2 months in 2011, ending in the sequester that reduced military spending?

limbaugh was coordinated with the white house calling COVID a hoax or he wouldn't have done it. if so is that them (putin>limbaugh/trump) again coordinating a disaster to effect elections - like ebola in 2014?

media and dem investigators have really screwed up

they need to be checking limbaugh out - is he getting payola?

[Kitchari]

36. This deserves its own OP

Very thoughtful and well said

[keithbvadu2]

18. JM didn't choose Palin. She was forced upon him.

JM didn't choose Palin. She was forced upon him.

[dsc]

5. she got it right the 2nd time

her first draft, which was run, stated that it was 36 years since a man and a woman ran on a Dem ticket.

[UTUSN]

6. MoDo originally wrote "36 yrs since a man AND a woman" ran together. Wrong.

[violasays]

9. It was changed

The original copy said it had been 36 years since a man and a woman ran on the Dem ticket.

[agingdem]

33. semantics and euphemisms

don't like either...

[NNadir]

4. Dowd has always been a trivializing idiot. The so called "Paper of Record" has squandered...

...its credibility on the likes of Dowd, who is most famous for carrying on about how Al Gore's suit looked.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, were blown to pieces, including children.

We heard nothing from her about how Iraqi children looked in their shrouds.

I detest this idiot.

[Hortensis]

15. Same here. We get the NYT and haven't read Poison Pen Dowd in years.

Strictly a specialized taste for people we'd likely regret discussing politics with anyway.

[PatSeg]

19. I think her style of journalism

might have worked in a different time, but she's become more and more irrelevant over the years. I can't even begin to imagine what the point of her column is. She's kind of the Louella Parsons of politics - superficial, petty, and meaningless. A waste of newspaper space.

[elleng]

21. Yes.

[irisblue]

8. The NYT editors and fact checkers look terrible here as well

[NNadir]

22. They look terrible for having this idiot in the paper for decades in the first place. n/t.

[tavernier]

10. Lol @ HRC...

“again”...

[still_one]

11. Geraldine Ferraro with Mondale, Shirley Chisolm ran for President

[Tommymac]

13. Once a hack always a hack.

Shame on the NYT for giving her a forum to spout her imbecilic rants.

[alphafemale]

14. "again"

[peggysue2]

20. Really like the fact that HRC as a private citizen can now answer Dowd back

For years Dowd has used a hatchet to go after the Clintons, Hillary specifically. I've often wondered what grudge Dowd was harboring because she took such glee in swinging the axe. Now HRC can twist the weapon back, bring up Dowd's drama queen reaction to 'edibles'.

Revenge is best served cold, as they say.

[gulliver]

23. Not Hillary's best...Dowd's ok on this one, imo.

I don't like making fun someone on the basis of pot brownie consumption for one thing. Also, yes, Dowd's a two-edged sword, no question, but this column is a good one. It forewarns of sexism.

Dowd name-checked Hillary in a "sort of" unflattering way by suggesting Hillary was "tripped up" wondering what to do in the debate where Trump snuck up behind her like a creep. I don't think it's serious shade.

I don't think this column should have been about Hillary and the sexism she definitely experienced, and it wasn't. Hillary's not on the ballot this time.

[yardwork]

28. It's a reference to Dowd's hysterical column years ago.

Dowd flew to Colorado to try a pot candy bar when they became legal. She ignored the instructions and warnings on the wrapper, ate way too much, and then wrote about how uncomfortable she was. Her column played into misinformation and paranoia about legalizing pot. She was rightly ridiculed.

[gulliver]

31. Fair enough to ridicule Dowd back then. But that context is lost now.

Hillary's comment can easily come across as implying pot brownies somehow addled Dowd in writing this new column. I'm very strongly in favor of legalized pot, so I'm perhaps overly sensitive to things like this.

[Trumpocalypse]

27. Reading Dowd's column is like

reading a spoiled teenager’s slam book.