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rpannier

(24,329 posts)
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 05:51 AM Aug 2020

Could this be why the Republicans think American workers won't work because of unemployment benefits

I went through the House and Senate calendars for 2020. They can be found at congress.gov
https://www.congress.gov/days-in-session

What I found interesting was the number of days the Senate was in session for 2020: (or should I say, not in session)
In January the senate did actually work 20 days.
In February they worked zero Fridays and took the 18th, 19th and 26th off
On the 10th of February: Senate convened at 3 p.m. and adjourned at 6:38 p.m., until 10 a.m. on Tuesday, February 11, 2020
On the 17th: The Senate met at 1:45:01 p.m. in pro forma session, and adjourned at 1:45:33 p.m. until 2:30 p.m., on Thursday, February 20, 2020.
On the 3rd and 24th it appears they were actually in session for the whole day

March 18 days
Took 3 Fridays off. They were in session one Friday, one Saturday and one Sunday
Mon, Mar 2: Senate convened at 3 p.m. and adjourned at 6:56 p.m., until 10 a.m. on Tuesday, March 3, 2020.
Mon, Mar 9: Senate convened at 3 p.m. and adjourned at 7:10 p.m., until 10 a.m. on Tuesday, March 10, 2020.
Mon, Mar 16: Senate convened at 3 p.m. and adjourned at 7:19 p.m., until 10 a.m. on Tuesday, March 17, 2020
The 30th they were in session, but were nor Mar 31 and Apr 1. I guess they were celebration April Fool's Day

April 10 days
They worked no Wednesdays or Fridays
They worked 1 Tuesday
Mon Apr 6: The Senate met at 10:00:20 a.m. in pro forma session, and adjourned at 10:00:49 a.m. until 10 a.m., on Thursday, April 9, 2020
Mon Apr 13: The Senate met at 10:00:02 a.m. in pro forma session, and adjourned at 10:00:41 a.m. until 3 p.m., on Thursday, April 16, 2020.
Mon Apr 20: The Senate met at 2:00:03 p.m. in pro forma session, and adjourned at 2:04:25 p.m. until 4 p.m., on Tuesday, April 21, 2020.
Mon, Apr 27: The Senate met at 8:02:15 a.m. in pro forma session, and adjourned at 8:02:45 a.m. until 1 p.m., on Thursday, April 30, 2020.

May 15 days
They worked 1 Friday, 3 Mon and 3 Wed
Mon May 4: Senate convened at 3 p.m. and adjourned at 6:21 p.m., until 11 a.m. on Tuesday, May 5, 2020
Mon, May 11: Senate convened at 3 p.m. and adjourned at 6:36 p.m., until 10:30 a.m. on Tuesday, May 12, 2020.
Mon, May 18: Senate convened at 3 p.m. and adjourned at 6:44 p.m., until 10 a.m. on Tuesday, May 19, 2020.

June 19 days (However did they stand working all those days?)
They took off 3 of 4 Fridays
All 5 Mondays they opened session at 3 pm and adjourned between 6 m and 8 pm

July 14 days
July 6: Pro Forma session 30 seconds. Then they took 2 days off
July 13: Pro Forma 33 seconds. Took two days off
July 20: 3pm to 7 pm
July 27: 4pm to 7:12 pm

For people who get all upset that people are getting 600 bucks a week and then claim they'll do nothing
Senators make about 170k a year and their calendars reflect very little work
Maybe they just think those on unemployment are as lazy as they are
For anyone who wants to know about the House, 2 things:
1. I didn't check
2. Isn't relevant, since it's not Pelosi and the House Democratic leadership that is pushing this narrative about people living like Jeff Bezos on unemployment

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Could this be why the Republicans think American workers won't work because of unemployment benefits (Original Post) rpannier Aug 2020 OP
Seriously, applying THEIR justifications and self image Hortensis Aug 2020 #1
Also, they do not worry about Scarsdale Aug 2020 #2
Here is the retirement Old Crank Aug 2020 #7
Yes. Deserving people are rewarded for their industry. :) Hortensis Aug 2020 #10
The less the current Senate is sitting Chainfire Aug 2020 #3
When do you expect them to meet with lobbyists malaise Aug 2020 #4
You do realize that they do most of their work when they are not in session. cstanleytech Aug 2020 #5
But it makes for such a great way to beat them up..... Old Crank Aug 2020 #9
Better to beat them up over what they voted for and why they did it as well as the cstanleytech Aug 2020 #12
What Is The Definition Of A Pro Forma Session?....nt global1 Aug 2020 #6
Republicans are fundamentally cynical. Happy Hoosier Aug 2020 #8
This is absolutely ridiculous....... a kennedy Aug 2020 #11

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
1. Seriously, applying THEIR justifications and self image
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 06:21 AM
Aug 2020

to lesser people in general, no.

Fwiw, normal aspects of conservative personality have been twisted and harnessed to serve increasingly extremist RW ideology. Which serves those among the very wealthy who wish to eliminate taxation and regulation of their actions.

Conservatives by nature have a relatively dark view of human nature, tending to believe people will behave badly if left to themselves. This is a very general statement, of course, and the belief varies greatly in degree. Pretty obvious where this is going: Of course people given $600 a week would be delighted to refuse to work while it keeps coming.

Similarly, conservatives tend to have a belief in a natural order, which is incorporated into Christianity, as well as other religions. That is, that people behave in more and less deserving ways and tend to be naturally rewarded or punished accordingly. Not irrational at all when relation to reality is maintained.

These days it's not. It's been deliberately skewed to encourage RWers to oppose progressive use of government to benefit society. The argument has become extreme to the point of encouraging eliminating all government programs because they injure society by encouraging people in dysfunctional behaviors, sloth, theft, destruction of moral codes. Dismantle it all to save society. Of course racism is a big motivator in this, but hardly the whole thing. Even receivers of entitlements are portrayed as not entitled -- they're sponges on society.

That last is a problem for those who paid into government programs all their working years, of course, leading to rebellions against those who'd take them away like the Tea Party and electing Trump. But hard-core "deserving" RWers nevertheless always know there are hoards of undeserving "others" being supported by the taxes of good, hardworking people like themselves.

Anyway, just imagine the disgust of a couple hundred of the stupider among the kind of Repubs now being elected who are being asked to embrace the swamp and keep throwing money at people who will of course keep refusing to work. Much better to funnel it to the deserving classes who'll use it to create jobs. And even those too smart to swallow all this whole, cynically using the argument to sack the populace to empower their donors, tend to believe in the transcendent truth behind it anyway.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
2. Also, they do not worry about
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 08:08 AM
Aug 2020

health insurance, or a pension when they "retire" (to become lobbyists). Not many companies give pensions, so why are taxpayers on the hook for the politicians pension, when most of them scam enough to become millionaires while "working"?? No wonder many of them refuse to go away, and continue to run for office time after time.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Yes. Deserving people are rewarded for their industry. :)
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 09:28 AM
Aug 2020

But really, who should pay for the hard work of public servants but the public?

Below are some figures I found interesting. Sadly for those who'd like to, congress isn't where people go to make big money, and most don't "scam enough" while in office, the potential for disgrace and prison lacking appeal. For most, the large majority Republicans, big rewards for service and so on come after leaving. High-paying jobs, a lobbying career, of course, being a goal for some, positions on boards. (There are big exceptions, of course, like Senator McConnell.)

"... The average time in office among current Democratic members of the House of Representatives is 9.7 years, well above the average Republican tenure of 7.8 years. ... The shorter average time in office for GOP members of the 116th Congress could be all about their core motivations, expert says. ...

Democrats believe in government and its role in society, and usually want to expand that role,” Sabato told MarketWatch. “Republicans often come from the private sector to run for Congress in order to limit and trim back government. Which motivation would keep you in politics longer?”

Republicans, more likely to have come from the business world, tend to want to return to that type of work, given it has higher pay and better perks, Sabato said. ...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/newcomers-congress-is-still-all-about-long-timers-and-one-party-has-more-of-them-2019-


Uhuh. I've read that in this era a lot of young cons seek to "serve" in government as a first big boost up the business career ladder to come.

And, as a little additional motivation to go that route, congressmen earn a pension by serving 5 years in office, to start paying at age 62. Isn't that a nice little "perk"?

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
5. You do realize that they do most of their work when they are not in session.
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 08:20 AM
Aug 2020

The sessions for Congress are simply where they make official any proposals and introduce bills to consider and vote on them and in the Senate's case they have the job of voting on nominations to varies government positions.

Old Crank

(3,589 posts)
9. But it makes for such a great way to beat them up.....
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 08:42 AM
Aug 2020

The same goes for trips home. Yes they meet with lobbyists, but they do meet with some constituents. You stand a better chance meeting a House member especially in a state like CA.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
12. Better to beat them up over what they voted for and why they did it as well as the
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 05:16 PM
Aug 2020

consequences of said vote.
Susan (Concerned) Collins is a perfect example of someone that deserves to be beaten up over her voting.

Happy Hoosier

(7,308 posts)
8. Republicans are fundamentally cynical.
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 08:38 AM
Aug 2020

Many of them are looking for a scheme to fleece their neighbors and assume everyone is.

It's why they resent public assistance.

It's why they are surprised when people do something out of principal, even if it hurts them financially.

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