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When a cigar shop clerk told Adam Zaborowski on Friday he had to wear a mask in the shop, the 35-year-old angrily refused. Instead, he grabbed two stogies, stormed outside and then pulled a handgun and shot at the clerk, Bethlehem Township, Pa., police said.
The next day, cornered near his home, Zaborowski allegedly fired at police with an AK-47, sparking a wild shootout with at least seven officers that ended with him shot multiple times and under arrest.
The case is the latest violent incident tied to arguments over mandatory mask orders. But Zaborowskis reaction was driven by his own intense difficulty with the pandemic, his attorney claimed; before the shootout, Zaborowski had lost his job and had also recently lost custody of his child
He just wasnt dealing well with the loss of his job, the loss of his child, just not handling the pandemic well, John Waldron told the Express-Times on Sunday, while noting those factors didnt justify his violent conduct. I think he was getting stretched too tight.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/03/mask-mandatory-pennsylvania-shooting-police/
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 3, 2020, 07:29 PM - Edit history (1)
Picture at this link:
https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/2020/08/man-believed-to-be-shooter-in-mask-dispute-is-wounded-in-gunfight-with-cops-police-say.html
And they didn't leave him in the road for 4 hours like Michael Brown to bleed to death, they immediately got him a life flight.
RT Atlanta
(2,517 posts)we all know if the fucker is still alive, he's white.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. The pandemic shows what happens when you feed a base a mixture of racism and propaganda with Trump validating all this craziness as the President.
https://www.salon.com/2014/10/23/tea_partiers_scary_extremism_joni_ernst_carries_a_gun_in_case_the_government_decides_my_rights_are_no_longer_important/
Speaking at the NRA and Iowa Firearms Coalition's Second Amendment Rally, Ernst said, I have a beautiful little Smith & Wesson, 9 millimeter, and it goes with me virtually everywhere. But I do believe in the right to carry, and I believe in the right to defend myself and my family -- whether its from an intruder, or whether its from the government, should they decide that my rights are no longer important.
Ernst's statement is reminiscent of remarks made by Tea Party Senate candidate Sharron Angle in 2010. Angle, the Nevada GOP's ultimately unsuccessful nominee against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, said in an interview that year that the Second Amendment "is for us when our government becomes tyrannical."
"I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies," Angle added. "I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems."
ms liberty
(8,573 posts)I hope he gets the help he needs.
Glorfindel
(9,729 posts)Awww...poor baby. OF COURSE he needed to unwind by stealing, shooting at a clerk, and then engaging in a wild shoot-out with police. Who among us has not been in the exact same situation? I'm glad he didn't hurt anyone, though.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Mr. Zaborowski was lucky he didn't grab some Swisher Sweets. That's a capital offense in some parts of the country. But at least he was able to get access to firearms. Easier to do that than get help for a mental health crisis.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)EVERYONE goes through hard times, fuck these gun humping cowards
justgamma
(3,665 posts)The man seems slightly unbalanced. No wonder he lost custody.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)I can't quit laughing!!
Doreen
(11,686 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)the enemy (those like him) are clearly insane. So if they do decide to resort to violence as they are shown the door it will be stupid violence that is easily stopped by the sane folks of our country.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)and is expected to recover. I didn't know police knew how to do that? By rights, he should have been shot 10-12 times, at least.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)PSPS
(13,594 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)their aim is completely different with white people, and they must have less bullets. Maybe a black gun and a white gun?
HuskyOffset
(888 posts)It knows to fire fewer bullets at white people and only at non-lethal body parts. That's gotta be it, right? I mean, no way police are deliberately emptying the whole magazine at non-white people, while only firing a few bullets or no bullets at Caucasians, right? It must be those magical guns. After all, people don't kill people, guns do.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Then no surprise. Handgun wounds are surprisingly survivable if the head or vital organs are missed.
Polybius
(15,398 posts)There's no way anyone takes it lightly when they are being shot at with an AK-47.
Crunchy Frog
(26,580 posts)I'm always reading on here that cops are trained to shoot to kill, and never, EVER aim to disable someone nonlethally.
They must have been aiming for the head and trunk, and just screwed it up.
hack89
(39,171 posts)They are not trained to be skilled marksmen. Many only shoot twice a year.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)half a dozen cops, each shot problem ~15 rounds. They hit the guy once total, but it was in the head and he died on the spot. I walked down there after they clear out a few hours later, it was like a warzone. Bulletholes in windows, brick, poles, everywhere.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)Could be serious brain damage with this clown.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 4, 2020, 04:28 AM - Edit history (1)
imagine the county DA making excuses like this for a black man who had stolen from, and then shot at, a shop owner, and then used an AK-47 against the cops themselves when they showed up to arrest him?
And if one did, do you think he'd be in a hospital right now?
Okay, well maybe in the basement ...
EDIT: sorry that was his own lawyer, not the DA. Misread a different article on this ...
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)BGBD
(3,282 posts)the person quoted was his attorney, not the DA.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)"He just wasnt dealing well with the loss of his job, the loss of his child, just not handling the pandemic well, Waldron said. I think he was getting stretched too tight.
It doesnt excuse his conduct, Lehigh County District Attorney James Martin said."
Is how it reads.
I caught the name in the second part and thought it was all the same person. Thanks for the correction.
Paladin
(28,255 posts)Afromania
(2,768 posts)He just wasnt dealing well with the loss of his job, the loss of his child, just not handling the pandemic well, John Waldron told the Express-Times on Sunday, while noting those factors didnt justify his violent conduct. I think he was getting stretched too tight.
Of course, he's white. He's still alive.
Meanwhile, I break down in the middle of a highway at night and need to pray that I don't get "help" from the police.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)ornotna
(10,800 posts)Before bringing him in.
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)An actual, real AK-47?
Fully automatic?
For a guy who is wrapped as tight as his lawyer claims?
If this guy has this kind of gun, they might as well pass out RPGs to everybody and seal the deal.
hack89
(39,171 posts)and was not fully automatic. Real Ak's are rare and damned expensive - as they should be.
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)But, this does bring up a question.
Why are they expensive?
One of the major benefits of the design was all stamped parts, therefore easy & cheap to manufacture.
Is it because fully auto models are, by definition, black market items?
hack89
(39,171 posts)with no new weapons legally entering the marketplace since 1986. So they are a scarce commodity that command extremely high prices - and extensive background checks. Legal fully automatic weapons are basically toys for the very rich.
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)Getting them in any way is pricey because it's either loaded with barriers to entry or illegal.
Got it!
Thanks
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)I'm sure if one hits you, it makes no difference how "real" the AK47 is.
He may lose his gun privilege over this. I hope the cigars were really good. Cubans, maybe.
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)I've been into cigars for decades.
There are people at the golf course that only know me as "Cigar"! That oughta tell you something!
But, I wouldn't think to steal a couple then open fire!
My conclusion?
Cigars don't cause violence!
Did I convince ya?
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)... but I'm afraid a good cigar might cause me to take up smoking again. I think I'm too weak to stop at "just one".
I'll settle for some aromatic second-hand cigar smoke at the golf course. Hmm, izzat you?
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)And yeah, that's me!
ooky
(8,922 posts)Grins
(7,217 posts)You mean like Michael Brown Jr. in Ferguson, Mo? And the cops didnt shoot him dead?
Was he white....?
His pic at this link: https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/2020/08/man-believed-to-be-shooter-in-mask-dispute-is-wounded-in-gunfight-with-cops-police-say.html
And they didn't leave him in the road for 4 hours like Michael Brown to bleed to death, they immediately got him a life flight.
Grins
(7,217 posts)Gee. I wonder why? I hope he could afford an AK-47....
Crunchy Frog
(26,580 posts)If he were black, would he still be alive, and would we be hearing about his "difficulties"?
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)Back. And he needs to go to jail. I don't care what his excuses are..we all have to deal with covid.
lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)because I really, really want to help.....
BGBD
(3,282 posts)had a lot more to do with him being batshit crazy than the pandemic.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)don't pull out a gun...this time has been hard on all of us, magnifying things though..
SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)psycho
JI7
(89,249 posts)Poiuyt
(18,123 posts)It's not that big of a deal. He's going to be in prison for a long time, but that could have been prevented by wearing a mask.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)resulting in insane individuality and massive loss of community-mindedness and civic responsibility.
Resulting in....
* Another adult life lost to prison and the community will have to pay his medical and incarceration costs.
* Child will likely lose all child support and will have zero relations with his father.
* Numerous people in that community now living in even more fear.
All over refusal to perform the simple unselfish act of wearing a mask for what.....10-minutes?
May people like Rupert Murdoch, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich and Donald Trump burn in hell forever for the destruction they've done to what used to be a reasonably decent America.
KY...........
greyl
(22,990 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)dlk
(11,561 posts)Theres just no logical reason for civilians to carry weapons of war.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)He'll now have a future of never legally having a gun, or even bullets.
He lied on the registration question where he claimed sanctity of mind.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Bettie
(16,100 posts)usually white dudes can do whatever they want to.
Aussie105
(5,395 posts)The police come gunning for you!
Might just be easier to wear a mask? Not rocket science. Or brain surgery.
But too difficult for some, it appears.
Nice of his attorney to make excuses for him . . . 'he was getting stretched too tight' is no excuse. But White privilege and all that.
Cha
(297,196 posts)personally.
This latest for him only makes it worse. All he had to do was follow the rules of the Cigar store.