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Delarage

(2,186 posts)
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 10:01 AM Aug 2020

I would not buy a house near deplorables

If I could avoid it.

I took my ailing pup for a ride yesterday and ended up in rural Pennsylvania (near Quarryville). I was admiring the rolling hillsides, corn fields, farm houses, etc. and visualizing living in a nice quiet area like that. Then we rolled by a string of houses with confederate-traitor-loser flags and a couple also adorned with Trump 2020 signs. That was pretty much it on our hour-long ride, but it occurred to me that I would definitely need to assess any area I might move to for political compatibility. Until this current crop of Republicans have been thoroughly eradicated. I cannot imagine the stress and angst it would cause me to be living next door these cretins.

I live in a solidly blue area of Wilmington, so I don't worry too much. A couple randos floating around with Trump stickers and one honking giant sign on someone's shed facing the highway, but I know they're viewed as the whack-job minority around here.

My friends that moved to Maine used to live near Oxford and had a beautiful house with a beautiful view of farmland---but their neighbors on either sides did not like dogs and both have Trump signs up near their front doors. Blech.

I feel bad for people stuck in deplora-ville and wish you strength in surviving and, hopefully, creating some change there--if nothing else by being an example of what normal people are like.



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I would not buy a house near deplorables (Original Post) Delarage Aug 2020 OP
Maine used to be a lot more sane and independent. avebury Aug 2020 #1
maybe you haven't heard the news that we have a new governor eShirl Aug 2020 #4
I have heard - a Democrat at that. avebury Aug 2020 #13
I was not aware Delarage Aug 2020 #15
They used to appear rational in Delaware Delarage Aug 2020 #12
Living next to deplorable neighbors has taught me some things. peacebuzzard Aug 2020 #2
Good advice Delarage Aug 2020 #8
You were about 20 minutes away from me Amishman Aug 2020 #3
I've always loved the area Delarage Aug 2020 #5
I am going to adopt your "abstract concept" description. thanks! n/t peacebuzzard Aug 2020 #6
My thought is I can never have enough land, to have a nice bubble Amishman Aug 2020 #9
You would be amazed at the number of trump signs louis-t Aug 2020 #7
Yep. Desert_Leslie Aug 2020 #10
We have a little island of peace and solitude Bayard Aug 2020 #11
I think many neighborhoods decline as rational people die off Baked Potato Aug 2020 #14
I think it's impossible to avoid them entirely... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #16
If you want to break up their white islands, you have no option. Baitball Blogger Aug 2020 #17
You're expressing the ideological separating out that's taking place Hortensis Aug 2020 #18
I do like the country Delarage Aug 2020 #19
Delarge, you're going to be the wingnut for a while. :) Hortensis Aug 2020 #20
Good advice Delarage Aug 2020 #21
I love dreaming. In my dreams beautiful trees are planted and Hortensis Aug 2020 #23
I suppose some of my neighbors are deplorables sanatanadharma Aug 2020 #22

avebury

(10,952 posts)
1. Maine used to be a lot more sane and independent.
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 10:23 AM
Aug 2020

I grew up there and the Republican Party was actually not that bad. My father was a President and CEO of a Canadian company headquartered in Maine so he was in a position to have to deal with politicians from both sides of the aisle. A good friend of the family was Margaret Chase Smith's Personal Assistant for years and we actually took her to lunch one Sunday and she opened up her Senate Library and gave me a personal tour. And I actually like Bill Cohen and Olympia Snowe. The Maine that I grew up in was big on giving people the chance to create change. Citizen initiated petitions were common and, if the State Legislature refused to do something that the people wanted, someone would drag out a petition and get it on the ballot. And there were a few Don Quixotes who lived by the motto, if at first you don't succeed, try, try, try, try again. There were numerous efforts to shut down the nuclear power plant for example.

Then I moved to Oklahoma and saw a whole other side of the Republican Party (bat shit crazy) and I viewed national politics in a whole new light. And Maine has gone into the crapper as evidenced by their election of Paul LePage twice to the Governor's Mansion. I understood the first time because a Democrat who lost Primary ran as an independent and ended up splitting the vote with the Democrat candidate, thus dooming them both. But re-electing him? I just don't understand that. I am so disappointed by the direction that Maine has gone the last few years. I used to point to Maine as the voice of reason (compared to Oklahoma) but feel like that has gone away. I hope that common sense might return to Main some day as it is heartbreaking to see some of what is going on there.

Having lived in two different states with different politics I can understand why some people, living in a state where the Republican Party appears to come across as rational, just don't get it. Moving to Oklahoma was absolutely an eye opener that made me understand what was going on Washington after Bush Jr. was elected because I saw a lot of it on a microcosm perspective living in Oklahoma. I am now in the group that get frustrated when my relatives don't recognize what is happening.

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
12. They used to appear rational in Delaware
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 10:52 AM
Aug 2020

And we'd probably still have a Republican representative if bat-shit wingnut Christine O'Donnell (may/may not have practiced witchcraft in the past, thought masturbation should be illegal) hadn't primaried him and taken him out. There's no looking back now, thank God.

My friends are going to help restore order to Maine by taking out Susan Collins and the gov. Unfortunately, PA lost 2 reliable "D" votes, but my guess is PA is pretty much ready to atone for the 2016 mistake they made.

peacebuzzard

(5,183 posts)
2. Living next to deplorable neighbors has taught me some things.
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 10:31 AM
Aug 2020

Fences and privacy signs are needed.
Don't engage. Ignore. Set boundaries.

Fortunately, I have a wooded 2 acre parcel, but they still go by every. single. f*** day. multiple times.
The trade off is an affordable life style of woods, wildlife (bunnies, turkeys, fox, coyotes etc) and fresh air. It is usually very quiet. It's a red state so price is right. There are other advantages as well that go along with a county lifestyle with minimal restrictions.

On one side I have a great neighbor, finally.
It was not always that way, I had to ignore the world inside my six ft. fence for a long time.

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
8. Good advice
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 10:46 AM
Aug 2020

And I'm glad you have a better neighbor finally!

I follow the same rules when I'm in the Florida panhandle visiting my Trump-loving sister. I have to bite my tongue the whole time to preserve some peace. We've come to some sort of agreement, but I'm better at not starting arguments. She'll flip Faux news on in my presence, probably a reflex, but no longer makes me listen to RW Radio in the car. Put my foot down about that. I can leave the room if Faux is on.

My brother-in-law does the same, and his vote cancels hers out--at least.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
3. You were about 20 minutes away from me
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 10:32 AM
Aug 2020

Its really nice out here as long as you don't bring up politics.

The other nice thing is if you have enough land, your neighbors are just an abstract concept.

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
5. I've always loved the area
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 10:41 AM
Aug 2020

I lived in New Providence when I went to Millersville University. And those houses I saw were close together, so maybe it was a little subset of cretins. I'd have to have a bigger space so I couldn't directly see/hear them or have to interact with them. I don't remember anyone being obnoxious, but it was a very different time back then. 45 has exposed the slimy underbelly of the party.

Side note: saw 3-4 Amish buggies on the ride

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
9. My thought is I can never have enough land, to have a nice bubble
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 10:47 AM
Aug 2020

Two neighbors know that if they ever think about moving, to talk to me first to see if I can swing buying a few acres off them.

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
7. You would be amazed at the number of trump signs
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 10:44 AM
Aug 2020

on waterfront homes in Michigan. Did my con ed for Real Estate the other day on a boat ride up and down the Clinton River. Saw at least a half dozen giant signs in the water-side yards. These are very expensive homes. There are still a lot of magats at my office. Only one that I know of has had second thoughts.

Desert_Leslie

(131 posts)
10. Yep.
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 10:49 AM
Aug 2020

I live in a Phoenix suburb. A couple of years ago a new couple moved in next door. Their realtor is a family friend, and she told us that this couple was quite conservative. Hey, fine ... you do your thing, I'll do mine.

My husband has met the man. He told my husband that he is really into guns, has a gun safe. He mentioned that he and a couple other men wear their sidearms to church "to protect everyone."

He gave my husband a business card that said "Apologist" on it -- something I had never heard of. Very interesting. Google says Apologists support proselytizing to others.

So we don't have any interaction with them ... not unusual for our area. We have a good-size yard, and nearly all properties here are separated by high walls (no snow here!)

So it's a shame. But that's the way it goes nowadays ....

Bayard

(22,168 posts)
11. We have a little island of peace and solitude
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 10:49 AM
Aug 2020

On 10 acres of pasture and woods in KY. But we are surrounded by crazed rethuglicans who will never change. The occasional Confederate flag, and trump signs. This past weekend, someone even set up a tent in town just to sell trump paraphernalia. It was busy.

I've been debating on putting a Biden sign out at the road, but what's the point. It probably wouldn't last long anyway, even if our little country road is not traveled much. Maybe I could get away with a McGrath sign....

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
14. I think many neighborhoods decline as rational people die off
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 11:11 AM
Aug 2020

and their heirs have no intention of carrying on any semblance of prior get-alongness.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
16. I think it's impossible to avoid them entirely...
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 11:20 AM
Aug 2020

... without being a hermit.

Yellow Springs OH is a long-time island of liberals and "hippies" in my area, but some Trumpanzees are there too.

I'm lucky at this moment that my immediate neighbors (same apartment building) are two African-American families and an old liberal white widow.

Edit: I've never bought a house. If I did, it would be deep in the country with property lines that wouldn't allow close neighbors. More than once, my siblings bought houses and later had neighbors from Hell. My oldest brother had a redneck family that moved next to him, and they did crap like ride their ATV's through his back yard. It was a constant conflict for him and he eventually moved elsewhere, losing loads of money in the process.

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
17. If you want to break up their white islands, you have no option.
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 11:22 AM
Aug 2020

Especially when there really aren't any real "diverse" communities in the suburbs in places like Florida.

And, you have to challenge their privileged lives where they live, so they can't project their prejudices, ire and red herrings to communities of color.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. You're expressing the ideological separating out that's taking place
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 11:50 AM
Aug 2020

nationally.

Whenever you hear someone these days talk about how they like smaller towns where people know each other and/or how they long to get away from the city and idealize rural life, those people are most often conservatives. They long to be part of homogeneous communities of people like them and are repelled by the changeability and wonderfully diverse choices of urban areas. Valuing conformity in everything from paint colors to major life choices, more than individuality, is one of three major conservative personality characteristics.

Liberals are doing the same separating out by preferences, but choices of the excitingly changeable places full of diverse experiences we want are, of course, far more limited for most of us. The more beautifully blue the more expensive. So some liberals also seek "the country" as an alternative and may find themselves isolating as you have because country insularity encourages conservatism.

And us for the same reason. But we do look for friends. There are conservatives who'll be good friends with liberal Democrats, one Jewish, invading from outside, and by definition they aren't the awful ones. In fact, I'm pretty sure some of our GA friends would identify liberal if they grew up elsewhere, but guessing that thought's probably never crossed their minds.

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
19. I do like the country
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 12:00 PM
Aug 2020

I'll just have to be careful....only lived there when I was in college. All else has been apartments or blue-collar suburbs of Newark & Wilmington, DE.

Get a big enough spread, walls, fences, screenings, etc. Then be careful "in town" near rethugs. But the fresh air, lack of traffic, scenery appeal to me. Just not the wingnuts.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Delarge, you're going to be the wingnut for a while. :)
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 12:49 PM
Aug 2020

I've never been in your position, but I have moved to the country with my husband where we were outsiders among people who've always divided the world into them and everyone else. I think you're vastly underestimating the amount of good will there is where you're moving; it's not all meanness and rejection. As I said in my other post, I believe some of those Georgians who became friends are liberal by nature, or at least naturally open minded and generous, and that strongly affects the kind of GA conservatives they are.

Imo, what you really need as the best way to "be careful" is the relative protection of familiarity and plenty of acquaintances, people on your road and in town who feel they know you and will reassure others you're okay, and accepted by them. You'll have to get out and make that happen, of course. If it's hard, maybe you have an outgoing friend or relative who could visit and help make it happen?

But for sure introduce yourself to your closest neighbors; it's basic manners and okay if they're standoffish as long as you leave them knowing your name, where you're from, what you do for a living, and generally feeling that they don't have to worry about their new next-door neighbor. Take walks on local roads where you feel safe until you've met more of your new neighbors and they're used to seeing you around. As someone's who's been there, I can recommend working where you can be seen at the bottom of your drive and along your frontage sooner rather than later. Look up when people drive by to invite them to stop and check you out. Wave. Etc.

We planted for privacy and to screen out ugly, and the road, but I think we overdid it a bit. Now I appreciate more that leaving at least some view in and out from neighboring houses helps neighbors look out for each other. Not enough to tear it out, though.

I've no doubt you are going to love the country itself, of course. It's so lovely to step outside each day into your part of it and to go to sleep to the evening chorus of the millions of critters you share it with.

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
21. Good advice
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 01:05 PM
Aug 2020

Against my initial impulse to "build a wall" (I can't believe I actually said that) with barbed wire at the top to keep "them" out. Not planning a move just yet, but I love to dream about it. Your ideas would probably lead to a better world and I will try if I ever do move from the 'burbs in Delaware.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. I love dreaming. In my dreams beautiful trees are planted and
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 01:40 PM
Aug 2020

grow tall as quickly as imagined, and for sure I'd never dream crawling back to the house wondering if I could make it up the stairs to take a shower or should lie down in all my dirt and wait for my husband to drive me to the ER.


sanatanadharma

(3,736 posts)
22. I suppose some of my neighbors are deplorables
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 01:30 PM
Aug 2020

However, since I am living in their country of which I have no ownership, I thus do not need to judge how the Uruguayans manage their country. Amazing how much less stress one carries when one ceases to identify with the causes.

I can not imagine a life (for me) requiring a car and some long travels to get gas, bread, fed, fun, hardware, health, clothing, drugs, other drugs, and all my other desires and needs. Home delivery is ubiquitous, whether cannabis or covid-19 testing.

I live in the capitol city, an international port, with all of my needs within blocks. I ran out of cooking gas recently and called for another garafa de gas to be delivered; it took nearly nine minutes.

These following words (from above) about thee in the country apply as well as me in this city where near 1.4 million other critters like me seek to get along.

"It's so lovely to step outside each day into your part of it and to go to sleep to the evening chorus of the millions of critters you share it with."

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