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Lawrence O'Donnel's segment on Hate for Eric Holder (Original Post) BootinUp Sep 2012 OP
I adore Lawrence anyway, but... Carla in Sequim Sep 2012 #1
THanks for the link, BootinUp. Cha Sep 2012 #2
You are most welcome. nt BootinUp Sep 2012 #17
Spot on! nt avebury Sep 2012 #3
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #4
What Strains Credibility Is The RW Conspiracy Theory Driving Darrell Issa... TomCADem Sep 2012 #5
Who said that expect the republicans and the NRA? former-republican Sep 2012 #10
Yeah, an ex-DUer named spoonman used to post Kingofalldems Sep 2012 #14
Remember...the program was initiated by the bush Administration... George II Sep 2012 #15
Yeah, we know, the ATF, Holder and Obama are enemies of the gun crowd -- according to NRA and Hoyt Sep 2012 #7
Find A Better Source---If You Can. Paladin Sep 2012 #9
It's not gospel what he wrote former-republican Sep 2012 #11
Who conceived and implemented the program? HMMMM????????? George II Sep 2012 #16
Well, that was a thing of beauty Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2012 #6
Watched last night malaise Sep 2012 #8
k&r bigtree Sep 2012 #12
That was awesome. A must see, Duers. n/t FSogol Sep 2012 #13

Carla in Sequim

(228 posts)
1. I adore Lawrence anyway, but...
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 01:00 AM
Sep 2012

that was absolutely powerful. I remember Mitchell, too.
The R's will always have the lead when it comes to corruption.

Response to BootinUp (Original post)

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
5. What Strains Credibility Is The RW Conspiracy Theory Driving Darrell Issa...
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:30 AM
Sep 2012

The notion that Fast and Furious was actually designed to fail in order to promote a broader assault gun ban is nothing more than a RW fantasy. I think it is far more reasonable to believe that this was a sting that went wrong, rather than some nefarious liberal plot to take away guns from the people.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0623/What-conspiracy-lies-behind-Eric-Holder-and-Fast-and-Furious

Along with conservative commentators like Rush Limbaugh, Issa suggested as late as April that Fast and Furious may have been part of a policy by the White House to flood the Mexican market with guns to foment violence, which would then put political pressure back on the US to curb its wide-open border gun bazaar and weaken Second Amendment rights.

That contention, liberals say, is on its face absurd. Comedy Central satirist Stephen Colbert summed up the extent of the alleged conspiracy on Friday, concluding Fast and Furious-spawned border violence was intended “to panic Americans in order to gin up support for a Draconian gun control measure Obama has never introduced. Complicated? Yes. The fevered ramblings of a syphilitic brain? Perhaps.”

But the “worse than Watergate” internet rumblings aside, last week’s Oversight Committee vote – which fell along partisan lines – to recommend Holder for a House vote on contempt and President Obama’s decision on the same day to invoke executive privilege to keep related documents secret did enliven debate about what’s really at stake with the investigation. To wit, whether the documents Congress wants and that the Administration won’t release may be able to confirm or put to rest suspicions that not just Holder, but Obama, had a policy hand in Fast and Furious.

In opening the contempt hearing on Wednesday, Mr. Issa contended that, “[The contempt hearing] is not about this investigation, it’s about a narrow subset of documents that this committee must ultimately receive.”

But in April, Issa gave an interview at the National Rifle Association convention in St. Louis, in which he gave credence to suspicions held by many conservatives and gun owners about the program’s true intent.

“Could it be that what they really were thinking of was in fact to use this walking of guns in order to promote an assault weapons ban?” Rep. Issa said. “Many think so. And [the administration] hasn’t come up with an explanation that would cause any of us not to agree.”
 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
10. Who said that expect the republicans and the NRA?
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:13 AM
Sep 2012

The operation was to in fact try to track arms.
But for one moment to think that Holder didn't know about this on going operation strains any type of credibility.

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. Remember...the program was initiated by the bush Administration...
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 10:30 AM
Sep 2012

....and shortly after Obama took office, they discovered all the problems with the program and discontinued it immediately.

Unfortunately the agent was killed with guns acquired through a bush program but after bush left office, so it's "Obama's problem"!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Yeah, we know, the ATF, Holder and Obama are enemies of the gun crowd -- according to NRA and
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:46 AM
Sep 2012

other right wingers.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
11. It's not gospel what he wrote
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:18 AM
Sep 2012

If you think every high ranking officer in the Attorney Generals office knew about this operation.
Yet they never once discussed this with Holder.
Then I guess you decided.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
6. Well, that was a thing of beauty
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:32 AM
Sep 2012

News to me that Reagan appointed Holder a federal judge.

I was half expecting Gonzo's name to come up....remember him?

K&R

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