Since no agency has stopped any of Trump's lawlessness

[edhopper]

as he violates law after law and shreds the Constitution.
What makes anyone think he will be stopped when he declares the election invalid and he will remain President?

[SoonerPride]

1. He can't do that. But he can use his goons to tear gas voters

Put his goons in swing states in dem districts and prevent people from voting in person and simultaneously have his post master general “lose”
millions of mail in ballots.

If there is an election trump loses massively.

So ergo there won’t be an election.

There will be of course, just not everywhere for everyone.

Close enough for him to steal. Close enough for the courts to give it to him.

[edhopper]

5. Why not.

He will claim it was rigged, and tie the results up in the courts in every State as he consolidates power.

[leftieNanner]

8. I cannot fall into that kind of despair SP.

Not yet. Everything is so difficult now, but I have to keep my head up - even just to get up every morning.

We gotta hang in there, knowing that he will pull lots of shit.

[MFM008]

19. Not so sure what Roberts

Would do.

[Thekaspervote]

24. I don't think he will side with a con man that has just been voted out of office!

[edhopper]

30. He has so far

on every case that has to do with Voting Rights.

[RKP5637]

2. Yeah, excellent point. He takes full advantage of what the US is not used to in a president ...

and hence finds open doors to pour his sh** through.

[leftieNanner]

3. When Joe Biden is sworn in at noon on January 20, 2021

Trump will no longer be the POTUS and the US Marshals will escort him out of Our House.

Getting from November 3rd to January 20th? That might be a little bit tricky.

I cannot fall into the despair of what you say. That doesn't mean that my husband and I haven't discussed "what if" scenarios.

[edhopper]

9. The Marshalls

who work for Barr?

[leftieNanner]

12. Yes.

When Joe Biden is sworn into office - then Trump will no longer be the President and Barr will no longer be the AG.

[edhopper]

13. I am saying

we might not get to Biden's inauguration if Trump refuses to accept the results.

I am saying the still sitting GOP Senate and all the agencies he has staffed with loyalist will help- keep him there.

[SoonerPride]

10. You assume all the states certify their electors

The republican states could simply not verify electors

If they can keep Joe under 270 then what?

No one is a winner.

[leftieNanner]

16. I just can't go there yet Sooner Pride

My anxiety level is bad enough without adding complete 24 hour panic on top of it.

I do understand all of these road blocks that Trump plans to throw in the way, but I don't plan to spend the next 3 months hiding in my basement.

[sarisataka]

20. How would red states not certifying electors

Keep Biden under 270? His electors will come from blue states

[elleng]

4. He will be carried away, if necessary,

as someone else will have been sworn in to office, but I think we/some are making more of this 'threat' than it deserves.

Let's STOP raising this red herring.

[edhopper]

7. By whom

People at Barr's DOJ?

[elleng]

14. The U.S. Marhshals.

The United States Marshals Service is a federal law enforcement agency within the U.S. Department of Justice. It is the oldest U.S. federal law enforcement agency created by the Judiciary Act of 1789 during the presidency of George Washington as the "Office of the United States Marshal". Wikipedia

[edhopper]

17. And like ICE and DHS

the could do Trump's bidding.

[LiberalArkie]

25. The ones in Portland?

[SoonerPride]

11. If electors in republican controlled states aren't certified

Then no one is elected

[Delmette2.0]

31. And Nancy Pelosi becomes President??

[sarisataka]

37. No.

[StarfishSaver]

38. That's not true

If electors in those states aren't certified, the president will be chosen by a majority of the states who DO certify their electors, per the 12th Amendment.

"The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed."

It actually will work to the Republicans' disadvantage not to appoint electors since it would reduce the number of votes for Trump and lower the number of electoral votes Biden needs to get a majority.

[tritsofme]

44. If Biden has an simple majority (270), it doesn't matter what Idaho and Alabama do.

At least to my understanding.

[Mr. Ected]

6. I tend to agree with you

After watching him wreak havoc for nearly 4 years, it's dangerously irresponsible to assume that a huge Democratic turnout in November will do anything but set him up for the con of his life. He is the most dangerous man on the planet and time has proven that our venerable Constitution is no match for his unprincipled shenanigans.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

18. We may have to resort to the

Unthinkable whether he wins or not. He is too dangerous and destructive to remain in office,we may have to get rid of him and his followers for the sake of our country.

It may come down to this.

Forced out regardless,or "other things".

If you don't want to live under fascism you may have to do things in other times would be unjustified. There is no law he won't break,so why should we accept being bound by it even as the country crashes,people starve and die. True empathy for each others well being sometimes calls for us to say no more out of you,you shitstain and back that no up with force regardless of the magats whining and the media acting like upset chickens or anything else.

Sometimes the seemingly immoral thing you must do is the most caring thing you can do for a country you love..

[sarisataka]

21. Are you calling for a revolution?

Will you be participating in person or just online?

[I_UndergroundPanther]

23. Not nessesarily

I am saying sometimes what would be wrong in other circumstances
Might be morally correct in another situation.

I am for moral flexibility when dealing with someone who seeks to destroy the country and you.

Rigid moral limits when dealing with someone without moral limits interfere with doing the moral thing that needs to be done.

[sarisataka]

27. I believe you are conflating the concepts

Morality and legality

There is really no such thing as moral flexibility. That is a term you are using to self justify doing something you know as a moral but are willing to do it anyway.

For example you may say I am against torture but in certain situations water boarding is OK. Using the lowest common denominator you really do believe torture is acceptable, in certain situations. You are justifying it with moral flexibility.

Legality it's a separate issue that really has no direct bearing on morality. Most of our laws encourage moral behavior however there are actions which could be just and moral but are illegal and vice versa. In certain situations you may break a law in order to do a moral thing.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

50. I get what you mean

Thanks

[tritsofme]

45. What exactly, does "getting rid of" his followers entail?

[I_UndergroundPanther]

49. Maybe un brainwashing them?

[tritsofme]

57. Then maybe say that...instead of employing eliminationist rhetoric.

[Thekaspervote]

28. Can we stop with the conspiracies...please

[edhopper]

15. Another post that

looks at this.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213806895

[Thekaspervote]

26. We all get that he is trying to steal the election. Please don't awfulize

There are still enough systems in place, especially the United States military and SCOTUS that will not let the con man interfere or prevent the election from going forward or being certified.

[edhopper]

33. LIke the multiple times he has

violated the Constitution with impeachable acts?

[triron]

22. It may have to be up to the citizenry. But I'm afraid Americans are far too timid.

And another reason for Trump to keep the Covid epidemic 'healthy'.

[we can do it]

29. Just stop.

[uponit7771]

34. This is not rational thinking, talking about probable outcomes is prudent

[edhopper]

32. To the people telling me to just stop

I was also told to just stop when he took office and said he would violate the Law and the Constitution repeatedly and no agency would stop him. He monthly perpetrates impeachable acts. Yet he is unscathed.

I will not underestimate the lengths of his corruption or the lack of any counter to his actions.

[triron]

35. Prophetic man. Thanks for your efforts. Like Hillary people don't want to listen to you.

[edhopper]

36. Hope for the best

Plan for the worst.

[Cha]

42. Hillary Warned Us.. "Putin's Puppet".. too many Didn't Listen

to Her!

[smirkymonkey]

53. +1000

I, for one, agree with you. Nobody and no body of law has been able to stop him yet. He just keeps pushing the boundaries and keeps getting away with everything. Unless something is done to put him in his place soon, I have no doubt he will do somthing that will allow him to stay in office for another 4 years or more, regardless of whether it is legal.

[SouthernCal_Dem]

39. So what do you suggest?

What do you suggest we do if he declares the election invalid and tries to stay on as president?

[edhopper]

40. I don't know

But we should prepare for it.

[Cha]

43. Don't you think Biden, Pelosi, Schiff, & leading lovers of

Democracy know this.. and are preparing for something like this.

That we of course would know nothing about at this point in time.

[edhopper]

46. I certainly hope so

[scarytomcat]

41. I think he trying to lose

he is doing things to turn people.against him
He wants out but won't say it.

[edhopper]

47. I wish that were true

but I think this is who he is. He is a limited man, and all he has is appealing to the base. He has no concept of political strategy and those he has around him are equally clueless, or are thwarted by his need for adoration.

[hamsterjill]

48. I feel the same.

My only answer is that I won’t be home taking it lying down. I’m old and don’t have much to offer in the way of physical resistance, but we will need to organize and do something or else we will be forever under a dictator.

I would hope that Biden is considering this possibility and preparing for it.

[JI7]

51. Hillary warned everyone in 2016. Too bad shitty people didn't listen

[JI7]

52. So you want people to do nothing ?

since you offered no suggestions.

[edhopper]

55. Wha?

Why would have the expertise to devise a strategy for this.
One can see a problem without knowing the solution.

Where did I say nothing should be done.

[JI7]

54. Many agencies did not try to stop him. He has Republicans in Congress supporting him

You seem to think he is getting away with things on his own when that is not true. there are many people in positions of power who support him and let him get away with his shit.

You think everyone has tried to stop him when that isn't true.

he gets away with things becsuse he has people that let him get away with it.

[edhopper]

56. No

I agree with you. It is the GOP Senate and the agencies his cronies control that are allowing him to do this.
SCOTUS as well.

[SQUEE]

58. I've heard this about W, and Obama.

Both sides, same lunacy.

It's not going to happen.