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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 05:42 PM Jul 2020

*****Biden says Trump is America's first 'racist' president*****

Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, on Wednesday called President Trump the country’s first racist to be elected to the White House.

The former vice president’s blunt assessment came during a virtual town hall organized by the Service Employees International Union after a health-care worker expressed concern that Trump continues to blame Asians for the coronavirus pandemic.[

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-trump-is-americas-first-racist-president/2020/07/22/867017e8-cc4b-11ea-bc6a-6841b28d9093_story.html




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*****Biden says Trump is America's first 'racist' president***** (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 OP
Naw Washington was Proud liberal 80 Jul 2020 #1
Pretty much they all were at least up to FDR. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #3
Do you think Lincoln was a racist at the time of his death? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 #15
Naw I don't think John or John Q were Proud liberal 80 Jul 2020 #21
The bottom line is he is calling trump a racist. While he isn't including other presidents who fit still_one Jul 2020 #2
That will be the orange anus' job Brother Buzz Jul 2020 #25
VP Biden is correct, of course, elleng Jul 2020 #4
Warren G. Harding was much more liberal on race than the people he led. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 #16
How are trumpians going to defend this? The knee jerk response: Goodheart Jul 2020 #5
There were others, but they didn't overtly make racism the core The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #7
By embracing it would be my guess JDC Jul 2020 #12
Woodrow Wilson could give him a run for his money misanthrope Jul 2020 #6
I bet Wilson was even worse gollygee Jul 2020 #33
There were other republican Presidents at the time that were KKK rockfordfile Jul 2020 #39
I love Biden but we've had many. tman Jul 2020 #8
Andrew Johnson wasn't racist????? mucifer Jul 2020 #9
why are you clapping Skittles Jul 2020 #10
I appreciate the sentiment, but HA! tandem5 Jul 2020 #11
Yeah, HA was my first response too gollygee Jul 2020 #34
No, Trump is not Americas's first 'racist' president. nt Autumn Jul 2020 #13
I'm voting for Biden but I strongly disagree with this JonLP24 Jul 2020 #14
To all the people complaining about the accuracy of this statement BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #17
I agree DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 #19
+1 BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #20
Easier to name the non-racist ones Proud liberal 80 Jul 2020 #22
During the Civil War Grant made anti-semitic comments about Jewish merchants in the South. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 #23
As an ex president Ford wrote an amicus brief in favor of affirmative action DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 #31
Yeah Proud liberal 80 Jul 2020 #36
He also fired Earl Butz for his racist comments. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 #37
If Biden would have said "Trump is one of the most racist presidents", oasis Jul 2020 #40
5 Pinnichios for that statement SiliconValley_Dem Jul 2020 #18
Lol nope. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #24
This is a genius remark by Biden and I'm not surprised it went over so many peoples' heads. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #26
+1 ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #27
"This is a genius remark by Biden and I'm not surprised it went over so many peoples' heads." DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 #28
I don't think the US would be as racist as it is if Trump was the first racist President JonLP24 Jul 2020 #30
If Biden said Trump was one of many racist presidents DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 #32
K&R, Trump is in competition with Andrew Johnson uponit7771 Jul 2020 #29
And Woodrow Wilson nt gollygee Jul 2020 #38
It was a ridiculous thing for Biden to say book_worm Jul 2020 #35
But like...why would he say it tho. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #41
Well it's not as dumb as saying fixing income inequality fixes racism BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #46
Oh, I'd say those are equally ignorant viewpoints, both fundamentally and possibly willfully WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #47
Let's not overthink this. ecstatic Jul 2020 #42
Water is also wet Gothmog Jul 2020 #43
Trump is the first BRAZENLY, GENOCIDALLY racist president meow2u3 Jul 2020 #44
It's not a historically well informed opinion Bucky Jul 2020 #45
Who cares. BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #48
It is part of the we can all get along as we did before delisen Jul 2020 #49

Voltaire2

(13,051 posts)
3. Pretty much they all were at least up to FDR.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 05:56 PM
Jul 2020

That includes for example Lincoln. FDR of course built his winning coalition by assuring southern democrats that apartheid was safe.

Wilson was a horrific racist.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
15. Do you think Lincoln was a racist at the time of his death?
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:18 PM
Jul 2020

His thinking had evolved. It's hard to read his Second Inaugural and not see how much it evolved.

still_one

(92,216 posts)
2. The bottom line is he is calling trump a racist. While he isn't including other presidents who fit
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 05:53 PM
Jul 2020

the category, I sure don’t recall the press, or very many Democrats openingly calling trump a racist

Brother Buzz

(36,440 posts)
25. That will be the orange anus' job
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:52 PM
Jul 2020

Dimes to donuts he'll blow his response, BIGLY, but rolling out a shopping list of past presidents that fit the category. It's just the way he rolls.

elleng

(130,962 posts)
4. VP Biden is correct, of course,
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jul 2020

re: trump.

As to the others whom posters here are trashing (but for Wilson,) I'd be cautious.

Goodheart

(5,325 posts)
5. How are trumpians going to defend this? The knee jerk response:
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 05:59 PM
Jul 2020

"No, he's not! There were many racists before him!"

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,731 posts)
7. There were others, but they didn't overtly make racism the core
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:01 PM
Jul 2020

of their campaigns or their administrations. Trump is as proudly and in-your-face racist as George Wallace.

misanthrope

(7,417 posts)
6. Woodrow Wilson could give him a run for his money
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:00 PM
Jul 2020

in leading that sizable pack. The sad truth is that everyone, regardless of your own ethnicity, who grows up in this racist society holds or combats racist tendencies or beliefs. It's the inevitable byproduct of being acculturated in America.

Remember Jesse Jackson's commentary about being shocked at himself when he first realized that he tensed up one night glimpsing a young African American man approaching him on the street? Jackson had been in the Civil Rights Movement, had fought prejudice and bigotry his whole life only to come to full realization in middle age's tail end just how deeply the system had ingrained racism in all of us.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
14. I'm voting for Biden but I strongly disagree with this
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:18 PM
Jul 2020

Has he heard the Nixon tapes? Woodrow Wilson was also notable and I'm not even counting 1800s or 1700s Presidents. Don't forget Reagan's dog whistles.

I had to check twice even click on the link to make sure the headline is real.

BannonsLiver

(16,389 posts)
17. To all the people complaining about the accuracy of this statement
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:27 PM
Jul 2020

FFS just go with it. Joes not teaching history. It’s a god damn campaign. Stop whining.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
19. I agree
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:29 PM
Jul 2020

I would add Lincoln at the time of his martyrdom was not racist. Neither was Grant or Harding.


Imagine the brouhaha if he named all the racist presidents!

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
22. Easier to name the non-racist ones
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:41 PM
Jul 2020
Imagine the brouhaha if he named all the racist presidents!


The two Adams, Lincoln, Grant, Taft, Harding, FDR, Truman, LBJ (he changed), Ford, Carter, Clinton, Obama.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
23. During the Civil War Grant made anti-semitic comments about Jewish merchants in the South.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:50 PM
Jul 2020

He apologized profusely and had Jewish confidantes during his administration. That being said he truly believed in the cause of the freedman as did Lincoln at the time of his martyrdom.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
31. As an ex president Ford wrote an amicus brief in favor of affirmative action
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 07:19 PM
Jul 2020

As an ex- president Ford wrote an amicus brief in favor of affirmative action when his alma mata, the University Of Michigan's affirmative action program was challenged before the Supreme Court. As a member of the University Of Michigan football team he also refused to stay in a hotel when a black player was denied accommodations.

I wonder what he would make of Trump.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
40. If Biden would have said "Trump is one of the most racist presidents",
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 08:43 PM
Jul 2020

it would please many on this thread, but Joe would surely be pressed to list the other "racist" presidents.

What then.

Joe called out Trump for being a racist. That's fine with me.




 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
26. This is a genius remark by Biden and I'm not surprised it went over so many peoples' heads.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:52 PM
Jul 2020

The right has essentially boxed themselves in by stating the founding fathers, and past presidents, weren't racist because they were a byproduct of their time. Biden stating this makes it impossible for them to answer because then they'd have to concede their point past presidents were, in fact, racist and not a byproduct of their time like they've been telling us over and over again.

So, they either own up to the racist past or come back with a 'nuh-uh'.

Beautiful.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
28. "This is a genius remark by Biden and I'm not surprised it went over so many peoples' heads."
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:57 PM
Jul 2020

I guess some folks wanted him to say the U.S is irredeemably racist as if he was on track to become a tenured professor in sociology.


SMH

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
30. I don't think the US would be as racist as it is if Trump was the first racist President
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 07:18 PM
Jul 2020

More than what someone says is their actions. The US also has a racist foreign policy as well at times like Iraq. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 but Bush used the Islamaphobia for support for Iraq.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
32. If Biden said Trump was one of many racist presidents
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 07:21 PM
Jul 2020

If Biden said Trump was one of many racist presidents do you think that would be helpful to his campaign?

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
35. It was a ridiculous thing for Biden to say
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 07:25 PM
Jul 2020

Since nearly every president before 1960 and even a few after 1960 were racists. Some more than others. Yes, Trump is a racist but he's not the first one. The media will now be all over Biden for this. It's these traps he's got to watch out for.

BannonsLiver

(16,389 posts)
46. Well it's not as dumb as saying fixing income inequality fixes racism
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 11:57 AM
Jul 2020

Lot of misguided and hopelessly naive folks bought into that twaddle.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
47. Oh, I'd say those are equally ignorant viewpoints, both fundamentally and possibly willfully
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 12:18 PM
Jul 2020

misunderstanding the concept of racism in order to prioritize white comfort.

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
42. Let's not overthink this.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 08:58 PM
Jul 2020

I would say at least 40 others were as well, but it's time to focus on winning instead of hand wringing.

We can focus on the fine details of everything NEXT YEAR after Biden is safely in the White House!

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
44. Trump is the first BRAZENLY, GENOCIDALLY racist president
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:20 PM
Jul 2020

Slight correction, Joe.

There have been racist presidents before, but they kept their bigotry hidden behind genteel code words, what we call dog-whistle politics now. Trump makes no secret of his hate; in fact, genodical racism is his policy.

BannonsLiver

(16,389 posts)
48. Who cares.
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 02:16 PM
Jul 2020

He’s not a history professor, he’s running for president and the focus should be on THIS president, not Andrew Johnson or Jackson or the others.

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