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If we start getting unnamed groups of people not showing any type of shield, pulling people into unmarked cars hauling them to God knows where.. this little old 71 year old woman is going to be standing in the streets protesting also. This is the United States of America.. not some crazy third world dictatorship that disappears its citizens like Putin's Russia does. If we become accustomed to seeing people dragged off the streets into unmarked vehicles, by unidentified persons.. we will cease to be a free country.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Stay safe, stay out of harm's way and thank you for your service to humanity.
Peacetrain
(22,878 posts)if can happen everywhere.. I am afraid we have turned a corner that is sending us down a path we may not be able to come back from..
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)I'm concerned about all her buddies in the National Guard volunteering for fascist duty.
Bettie
(16,124 posts)It can happen anywhere. I'm here too and am ready, if necessary.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)I'll have bail money for you as well.
a kennedy
(29,706 posts)as much cash as you need.
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 21, 2020, 07:42 PM - Edit history (1)
you have enough Democrats there in Iowa to pizz off BunkerBoy enough to send troops after you - too many being sent to NYC, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit, etc. - but dammit, girl, you let us know if you want company!!!
wnylib
(21,606 posts)handle it when Trump sends his Gestapo troops into NYC.
I hope Cuomo has every one of them arrested the minute they arrive.
NPR's On Point had a good program this morning. I only caught the last part so I didn't get the name of the guest or his organization. He is the guy who did a report around 2009 about RW extremist groups recruiting people in the police and military. He said the situation is far worse now than it was then. There are numerous connections and alliances between police and RW militias around the country.
Another guest who is a black police sargeant or lieutenant told of several openly racist officers being totally accepted and promoted. Several have close ties with Oathkeepers.
I tried to look up a transcript or podcast on this but couldn't find it. Maybe someone else can. It was very good, but scary.
The main guest said he expects things to get much worse as we get closer to election day.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)wnylib
(21,606 posts)Trump is already including NYC with Chicago in his public statements about which cities "need" Gestapo troops. He sums it up by saying that "they ate all liberal, and poorly run by Democrats."
He is looking for a city where people will get angry enough to fight back so he can declare martial law.
The best way for people to react is peaceful and even playful protests instead of anger. Like the Portland Wall of Moms.
I think they should add some patriotic music to the protests to gain public support and expose Trump's lie about them being anti American. Imagine a crowd of protesters singing My Country 'Tis of Thee in solidarity in front of the Gestapo. It would clearly define the patriots vs. the fascists for everyone to see and hear.
Oppaloopa
(867 posts)there first.
nykym
(3,063 posts)inexpensive easy to use tracking device one could wear to protests.
If scooped up it would give us a destination.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)I would think any of those fall-detecting devices would alert somebody.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)I wasn't sure how that would be received, given my history of being flippant on here. This is damn serious.
This is Mayor Daley's goon squad on steroids (literally). When the Ferguson, MO tanks roll in, I don't know what we'll do.
wnylib
(21,606 posts)They have a very limited range so it would not work. Mine is good for 200 feet, which works in my apartment, but not even down the hallway of the building.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)I thought there was GPS capability.
Be safe and be well.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Just make certain you have someone you trust with the controls
(Just a thought)
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Just google ... they are fairly inexpensive
bucolic_frolic
(43,281 posts)This is not enforcement of anything, this is political provocation to see what he can get away with.
Surprised there has been no legal action from ACLU or some other civil rights organizations, I suspect they're waiting to see what happens after Portland.
Trump's an idiot to think he will get away with this in NY or Phllly or Chicago or Boston. Invading cities where normal constabulary forces are responsible and operating well is a bridge too far. Trump is doing nothing but alienating the rest of the country that was ambivalent about him. It's a clear signal he intends to cancel the election or cheat so bad no one will believe it. I'm expecting 2 sets of election results, normal and Trump's.
AJT
(5,240 posts)troop trucks in the area yesterday.
wnylib
(21,606 posts)It takes time to work through the courts.
Trump is operating on a fine technical line. Federal forces are allowed to protect federal buildings from damage and defacrment.
So there are 2 points of contention. Troops are kidnapping people outside of the federal area without IDing themselves or saying why. And some of the damage to the Portland courthouse, e.g. fires, might have been done by RW provocateurs, not protesters.
DinahMoeHum
(21,809 posts)#newrostrong
mjvpi
(1,389 posts)He keeps talking about a manual that lays out the logic of clamping down on and harassing popular movements. If its a government manual, it must have been written since we invaded Iraq. What he is saying is blatantly correct. Totally logical. Totally absent from our governments bag of tricks. He needs to forward the manual to the people in charge.
soldierant
(6,921 posts)FM-3-24 whether you are Army, Navy, Air Force, or even DHS. (So many people asked he cited it in a followup and I looked for it. One place it is is archive.com. There are one heck of a lot of manuals. I looked at the DHS version. 282 pages.)
Were you specifically doing cunterinsurgency in Iraq? And, even if so, you might not have had it of your senior people who were giving orders and setting protocol were using it. It's definitely old enough. I didn't use it during Vietnam, either, but thats explained by the facts that I was never in country, and was a Dispursing Officer anyway. I'm confident it existed.
And the guy in the video is "Beau of the Fifth Column." You won't agree with everything he says. I certainly don't, but I have learned enough from him to value his opinion.
mjvpi
(1,389 posts)Yes, the guy seemed thoughtful and informed. Thats why I thought that the manual might actually exist.
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Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)If the Nazis come to Colorado, Ill be out there too. Im buying a pair of goggles this week.
Fuck these fascists.
soldierant
(6,921 posts)Now that he's targeting cities as big as Chicago, I'm concerned for Denver.
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)or issuing a PROCLAMATION that the states public schools MUST meet in-person at least 50% (a tacit response to Iowa City Community Schools, which out of due caution and rightful concern for the likely incubation and transmission of covid from children to to parents who work at UIHC hospital, creating a hot spot in the facility responsible for treating the state's most critical patients)
or reducing TestIowa access in a current hotspot, Dubuque, to the wee hours of 6 a.m. to 7 a.m., and capping the number of tests at 100 per day, and forbidding the Visiting Nurses association from offering guidance and advice to concerned individuals...(all of this "to maintain consistency and quality across all TestIowa sites" )
The ship has sailed, my friend. Our little dictator doesn't need rogue DHS troops in camo; she's doing plenty on her own. The Trumpers embody an attitude that is quite at peace with or eager for us to die.
A meme from DU yesterday is fitting:
If there is one thing this year has taught us, its that Americans are staggeringly selfish.
Not just like your meat-and-potatoes, dont want to share selfish.
Total apocalyptic, I will let you die rather than inconvenience myself selfish.
Bettie
(16,124 posts)and I don't think they're changing them...most at least offer online only if parents prefer that.
My little town has its own school district and they'll be announcing their plan later this week. I'd heard that they were going to encourage those who can do online to do it to make things safer for the kids who, for whatever reason, end up needing to come to the school.
Now? Who knows.
MLAA
(17,327 posts)I am so proud of you, you go girl! 🙂
Id be honored to bail you out.
lark
(23,155 posts)the most vile person in the world is not about to let up, it will be pedal to the metal and we could be in for serious shit.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)by a serial killer? If someone tried to pull me off the street I would scream bloody murder.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)I have funds going to bail fund efforts. Its what I can do from afar to stand with the protestors in the streets. I want to be there in person, but I have two high risk individuals that I am morally obligated to stay infection free for...at least until some logistics change.
I am frustrated on the sidelines, but feel that surviving and voting are a laudable form of resistance as well.
But like you, I have limits, and am looking real hard at how I can have the space to go protest, and on the turn of a dime if need be.
I suspect more forms of resistance will come about. Am thinking about how and what it could be, and invite others to brainstorm on it as well.
jorgevlorgan
(8,329 posts)barbtries
(28,811 posts)this almost 65-year-old longs to be out there but as I am in a vulnerable population on 4 different counts, I'm not going anywhere. I feel like a coward but it's the virus I'm afraid of, not these fucking would-be nazis.
On that note, please wear your mask and maintain as safe a distance as possible. What's your sign going to say?? Can you post pics?
just stay safe
titanicdave
(429 posts)....will be right there with you, 71 year old lady........protesting this Gestapo thuggery.....
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)My health is too bad to protest in person, but I am with you in spirit and will help in any way I can. Stay safe, and I like the life alert idea. So proud of you, dear Peacetrain!
Jim__
(14,083 posts)This is definitely a step beyond.
cate94
(2,813 posts)I will help.
perfessor
(268 posts)ammosexuals will be lining up to defend you against a government assault, just like they've been promising for years.
ancianita
(36,133 posts)here a few from Wired (because I couldn't find the EFF site app that I saw last night):
Trumpgoons are out in Detroit, Portland and Chicago.
1. Hands Up 4 Justice, (iPhone and Android) allows people to discreetly record interactions with police officers during traffic stops, etc.
The app integrates emergency contacts and GPS,
uploads to YouTube or a Dropbox account. Kirkwood wanted to make it easier for people of color (who are disproportionately stopped by police on US highways) to record their interactions without fear of intimidation.
2. The ACLU's app allows anyone to film interactions between police and citizens and upload footage to the ACLUs website.
https://www.aclu.org/ /refo /aclu-apps-record-police-conduct
3. Im Getting Arrested, is a free Android app that instantly sends texts to emergency contacts that youve pre-programmed into your phone.
4. Stop and Frisk Watch allow you to report police misconduct as well as connect with other users via community feeds.
https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-watch-app
Apps like these should be on everyone's phones.
Good luck! I wish I were in Chi right now. I'd be out surveilling federal goons.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)Keep safe, and give 'em hell.
If you are going to wear an N95 mask please check this cdc guidance for user seal check. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2018-130/pdfs/2018-130.pdf
calimary
(81,461 posts)Demovictory9
(32,475 posts)He tries this here, the city would be wise to arrest these officers, for their own safety.
PatrickforO
(14,587 posts)on this, and will use your prose above in my calls tomorrow. Because this cannot, CANNOT be allowed to stand. It's a direct violation of the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights of these protesters.
tavernier
(12,400 posts)71 is in my rear view mirror, but my mirror is big enough to see your back and Ill cover it.
SWBTATTReg
(22,166 posts)goons will never, ever, win in this manner in this Country being that Americans are obsessed w/ freedom of the individual, freedom of the press and the right to bear arms.
It is especially ironic being that the far right wing idiots have only thought that these amendments applied to them only and no one else, when now, these are very important protections that our forefathers gave to ALL of us.