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Someone on FB just told me that she has a medical condition that doesn't allow her to wear a mask. HIPPA (not HIPAA) laws say she can't be denied entry to any (privately owned) business, and no one is even allowed to ask what her "medical condition" is.
This is awesome. Next time I go to the supermarket:
"I have a medical condition that entitles me to free groceries. HIPPA laws say you can't deny me, and you aren't even allowed to ask what my medical condition is."
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)The privately owned business has every right to deny service.
underpants
(182,877 posts)One or the other. We had some people at work trying to pull that crap. I read them he policy thats one or both but you will wear something or your not coming inside the building. I got some heat for that but I said - its the policy abide by it or face discipline.
leftieNanner
(15,149 posts)On occasion in my grocery store, I have seen scruffy individuals shopping with dogs in tow (even puppies!) - which is particularly alarming in the produce department! When I asked the management about this, I was told that they cannot confront people because they could be service dogs and it's the same kind of HIPAA thing.
But with masks? I would think that anyone who could not wear a mask because of a "medical condition", would be sick enough that they should not be out and about.
Although, as it has been said here before - No Shoes, No Shirt, No Mask, No Service.
SWBTATTReg
(22,166 posts)all manners of 'service' animals. The airlines cracked down and said that they (people bringing animals onboard) had to bring a certification or something similar to prove that the animals were indeed service animals.
Perhaps some research will reveal what exactly constitutes proof of being a service animal, but this is going too far, in letting folks abuse this benefit afforded to the handicap persons who truly need these animals. The grocery store needs to crack down on those abusing this benefit afforded the truly handicapped.
leftieNanner
(15,149 posts)But you can buy "documentation" and a service dog vest online.
I was pleased to see the airlines step up. I remember the guy who was savagely attacked by his seatmate's "service dog".
SWBTATTReg
(22,166 posts)that perhaps some sort of cross checking should be done at the time of presenting the certification to the airlines, to the grocery stores, etc. (w/ a service animal) and if the certification is found to be fake, then the customer should be booted and banned for life. It probably won't happen I guess unless a lot more folks get attacked by 'service' animals, etc.
Sad, for the true service animals are truly heroes and undergo quite a bit of training. A definite slap in the face of legitimate service animals and their trainers everywhere.
mac56
(17,574 posts)woodsprite
(11,924 posts)chowder66
(9,080 posts)FarPoint
(12,437 posts)These dumbass tRumpsters.... obvious lie....
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)"You say you're claustrophobic, but when you say that while sitting in the closet with the door closed, I have my doubts."
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,675 posts)Don't waste your time. Zuckerburg is all about the money and he even helped Trump in 2016. So he is part of the problem not the solution.
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)Or a political one.
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)leftieNanner
(15,149 posts)But she thinks she's terribly clever.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)leftieNanner
(15,149 posts)Well Done!
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
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Fullduplexxx
(7,870 posts)Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)an open weeping wound on your face. Or facial nerve damage pain exacerbated by the pressure from a mask. Both extremely rare. Claustrophobic? Get a shield. Selfish babies
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)That's why gawd invented optifoam.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)cayugafalls
(5,643 posts)There must be a connection between the impairment and the reasonable accommodation being requested. In the case of masks, a person who has compromised lung function and struggles to get enough oxygen while wearing a mask has a legitimate need for accommodation, but a person who is blind doesnt. Businesses cannot require you to disclose the nature of your disability, but you cant request an accommodation under the ADA if you dont need it for your impairment.
But wait. Does that mean stores are required to allow people with breathing-related disabilities to wander around unmasked and potentially spreading COVID-19? No, it does not, and heres why. The ADA is centered around the concept of reasonable accommodation. Businesses and organizations that are open to the public are required to make reasonable accommodations for people with disabilities to access their facilities, programs and services. What constitutes reasonable depends upon many things, but the law is clear that accommodations are not reasonable if they would endanger workers or customers/visitors. For example, a person in a wheelchair who wants to sit closer to the stage cannot block the aisle in a theatre, because it would impede emergency evacuations. A hospital may legally prohibit service dogs from entering operating rooms to maintain a sterile environment for the safety of patients.
The ADA also allows a business to refuse service or employment to a person with a disability if their presence would result in a direct threat to the health and safety of others, and the threat cannot be eliminated through a reasonable accommodation. Based on COVID-19 guidance from the CDC and other global health organizations, persons not wearing a face mask pose a direct threat to the safety of customers and employees, so they can be prohibited from entering the store. However, there are other reasonable ways customers who cannot wear masks could be accommodated such as curbside pickup of their items. So stores are required to serve disabled customers who cant wear masks, but they arent required to serve them in a way that threatens others.
durablend
(7,464 posts)"MUH GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO SHOP HERE AND THIS MASK OFF CARD SEZ SO!"
crickets
(25,983 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)"I know where you got this from and the truth is everyone can see right through it."
https://abcnews.go.com/US/exempt-wearing-face-mask-covid-19-pandemic/story?id=71871707
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
That was actually GOP wording to give businesses an out. Now, it's biting the MAGAts in the ass.
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edhopper
(33,615 posts)pure and simple.
MissB
(15,812 posts)wear masks.
Amongst the suggestions are curbside pickup. Or waiting outside while the employee does the transaction.
It doesnt mean letting them inside without a mask, as the employees and other customers must still be protected.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)the FOOLS appear to be winning in my part of the country.