Poll Shows Warren Better for Biden Ticket Than Harris

[TexasTowelie]

Joe Biden is expected to announce his running mate by August 1, maybe sooner. The assumption has been that he has to name a Black woman, to keep faith with the rising movement for racial justice. The smart money has been betting that the candidate for VP will be Kamala Harris.

Indeed, the Wall Street people around Biden have been urging him to name whoever will most help him get elected (presumably Harris). And if that should be the far more centrist Harris, it conveniently sidelines Warren, who would be a severe threat to the speculative Wall Street business model.

Now comes a new poll from Data for Progress and YouGov that blows that conventional wisdom to hell. It’s very good news for Warren. And the deeper you drill down, the better news it is.

The poll asked uncommitted voters and voters in battleground states a series of questions.

Read more: https://prospect.org/politics/poll-shows-warren-better-for-biden-ticket-than-harris/
(American Prospect)

[chillfactor]

1. no not Warren......a Black woman! n/t

[Thekaspervote]

3. Agree! She didn't even carry her own state in the primaries...no no no

[JonLP24]

26. What state did Harris carry?

You guys don't want to win because Warren is the best choice based on poll numbers.

[Thekaspervote]

33. Did I say I wanted Harris...no. I don't want to win? How did you extrapolate that??!!

Weird

I am correct, Warren did not carry her own state..says a lot

[HotTeaBag]

65. Great question.

The person he should pick should be the best person for the job, regardless of their ethnic or racial make up. However there is an intense push to bring a black woman onto the ticket and chances are he'll do just that.

[totodeinhere]

121. Poll numbers are something to take into consideration but I have never believed in

being governed by polls alone. Surely there are other considerations besides polls.

[totodeinhere]

120. I would love to see a woman of color on the ticket but I think it's a mistake to specify a black

woman when there are many qualified Hispanic, Asian and Native American women as well. I think we should stick to asking for a woman of color.

[RandySF]

2. No

Baker would name her replacement.

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. Baker would be forced to name a Dem, as MA legislature has done before nt

[Green Line]

24. Nope, they already said they won't

What if Charlie Baker decides to run? He’d win.

[Mariana]

25. He sure would. nt.

[Fiendish Thingy]

60. Please post a link to your source of MA legislature declining to require Baker appoint a Dem nt

[Demsrule86]

61. That is fantasy...a GOP governor will not name a Democrat. And, I like Warren but she would not

be the best choice. I like Tammy Duckworth myself.

[Fiendish Thingy]

67. The MA legislature has passed laws to force Gov. to appoint a Dem to fill vacancy

That is a fact on record.

[blueniteflower]

49. I don't agree

MA resident here. Kennedy or Markey will run for her seat and win it. Both are extremely strong candidates. We understand the implications of sending an R to the senate. Baker is fine as Gov but lots of people here would not want to give Republicans someone else in the senate.

[RandySF]

56. And what if we Jan 2021

And Warren’s resignation is the difference between a Dem majority or minority?

[blueniteflower]

101. Baker is not going nominate an R

He has clout only in MA. And if he nominates R, he is done. If he does, the dem legislature will change the law to force him to nominate someone from the same party. He is not dumb enough to nominate himself as the national Republican Party hate him. And if he does so, again, the dem legislature will change the law to name him vote dem. Only way he goes to senate is to change party affiliation.

[totodeinhere]

122. Yes, and that might well cause us to fall short of our important goal of winning

back the Senate.

[Hoyt]

4. Warren would be a huge mistake. Sorry.

[Thekaspervote]

34. Agree!

[uponit7771]

55. Why? thx in advance

[Bettie]

88. They never give a real reason

but some people around here seem to really hate her.

[uponit7771]

107. Seems like "they'll be able to ... " is the go to reasoning as if anyone on the left is listening to

... winger sources?

[Bettie]

125. I don't understand the hate

or the constant "she's a socialist"....um, she's not.

[OAITW r.2.0]

5. I'd love Elizabeth Warren on the tickey.

Joe will be focused on international triage of our world reputation: Warren would have the green light to get serious financial restructuring underway with Schumer/Pelosi. Only problem is the Senate vote count. Give up a safe MA Senate seat to Charlie Baker (R)? Only if he agrees to a Democratic replacement.....hmmmmm.

[NewJeffCT]

77. Mass legislature has a supermajority

in both houses, they can override a Baker veto or change the law.

I think right now, an appointment would only be short-term until a special election can be held to finish Warren's term.

[OAITW r.2.0]

78. Good to know...thanks!

[NewJeffCT]

80. they changed the law when Kerry was running for president

and they were going to do it after Ted Kennedy passed away...

[qazplm135]

6. I laughed when they argued

that Biden and Warren have a "close, personal relationship." They do not. They get along, and I have zero doubt that Warren and Biden will work well together as loyal party members, but they do not have a "close, personal relationship." Certainly not any more close and personal than Harris.

[mvd]

7. I'd be fine with Warren or Harris

I don’t get as enthusiastic about Warren as Sanders, but Warren would definitely be an overture to progressives. On the negative side for Warren, she is also older, and we need to make sure we get minority turnout. I think Warren could get that turnout, but that should be the subject of research by Biden’s team.

[JustBidenOurTime]

8. The VP pick must be a black woman. The times and the people demand it. I love Warren

and would love to see her in the cabinet as Secretary of the Treasury.

[musicblind]

10. Secretary of Treasurer would be a fantastic spot for Warren

if she wants to be in Biden's cabinet. She could make significant contributions there.

[JustBidenOurTime]

11. It's taylor-made for her, indeed.

[JonLP24]

27. Based on the poll numbers

The people want Warren including a plurality of African-Americans and Latino/Hispanics.

[Thekaspervote]

35. Not necessarily

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/18/democrats-favor-kamala-harris-for-vp-by-wide-margin-poll-finds/#19e3a4d06da9

[JustBidenOurTime]

44. Your link indicates that Warren is favored "...among independent and

undecided voters". That's not "the people". And it's certainly not Democrats, who are most assuredly "decided", even before a pick is announced.

Also, are there actually voters who still don't know how they will vote? If so, is there enough of them to swing the election?

[totodeinhere]

124. I love Senator Warren. But given Joe's age I think he needs to pick a younger canddiate.

Two candidates in their seventies is not what we need.

[musicblind]

9. I'm sorry, but no.

It needs to be a Black woman.

[AmericanCanuck]

12. We need to bring out the AA vote which is far far more than the ultra progressive vote

[LizBeth]

22. AA vote supports Biden overwhelmingly. Biden does not need a POC to bring him the black vote.

We do need to get a woman in there.

[AmericanCanuck]

58. Are you taking AA's for granted?

[LizBeth]

68. No, I am stating fact.

[AmericanCanuck]

127. To increase the motivation in AA voters

who are the mainstay of Democratic victories, we need Kamala Harris as VP.

We need to show the electorate and the world that we value diversity. We want to reward people who have been loyal to us for decades and get the Obama juices flowing to make them WANT to come and vote.

Many ultra-progressives stayed home or voted for Stein. They may do so again but they are few. We need to solidify our most reliable and loyal constituency.

[StarfishSaver]

93. Yes

[LizBeth]

98. No. I am listening.

[PunkinPi]

59. Having a Black woman on the ticket will help with enthusiasm and Black voter turnout,

something that didn't materialize for Hillary in 2016. Also, see this from today per CNN...

Biden currently has such a large lead overall that Trump's small gain among Black voters doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of the 2020 election. But if the race for president tightens, Trump's small gain with Black voters could make a difference. It could cost Biden 0.5 points nationally on the whole compared to where Clinton ended up. That may not seem like a lot, though it could make the difference in a close election. And, of course, Biden's margin with Black voters may tighten further if the margin with other voters also shifts.

...

When you dig a little bit deeper, you see that Biden doesn't seem to be as well liked as Clinton was among Black voters. An average of six live interview polls taken since late May have his favorable rating at 74% to an unfavorable rating of 15% among Black voters. Clinton, on the other hand, averaged an 81% favorable rating to 13% unfavorable rating in the pre-election polls taken right before the 2016 election.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/21/politics/joe-biden-black-voters/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_allpolitics+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Politics%29

[LizBeth]

69. It is not the time to tell anyone woman that she must once again, sit down, not her turn.

SC made it pretty clear POC know the importance of this election,

[PunkinPi]

70. What?

It is not the time to tell anyone woman that she must once again, sit down, not her turn.

Who said that? Not me.

Yes, Black voters in SC supported Biden and know the importance of this election. However, if you bothered to read the part I bolded, what's most important is voter turnout this election, esp. the Black vote, since some folks stayed home because they assumed HRC was going to win. Having a Black woman on the ticket could help with that.

[LizBeth]

71. People that say only a black VP is telling all other women that it still is not their turn.

To sit this one out. I do not think that is the correct answer.

And again, I think we are all aware the importance getting out and vote and I think the black community particularly knows the importance of their vote and we saw that example starting in SC.

[PunkinPi]

72. The 4-5 Black women that are being considered as VP candidates ARE women.

Also women, an Asian American woman and a Latina woman on Biden's list. How is that telling women to "wait their turn" or "sit this one out?"

[LizBeth]

75. Really, this is that hard for you? ONLY black woman, so white women sit down. Asain, Latino,

sit down. ONLY black women, it is STILL not your time.

What part is so very complicated for you?

[PunkinPi]

87. LOL, not hard for me, but you seem to be telling on yourself. There is only one VP at a time...

they can't all be chosen. Biden said he would choose a *woman* (whatever her ethnicity/background/race) for VP (Yay, good for women!) and whomever he finds to be the best fit for his admin.

Hope you have a great day!

[LizBeth]

95. I am good with that. I am not the one putting parameter to choice, except woman. Biden has

already said that is the parameter he is working with. I am not the one throwing out restrictions and musts. You are.
We have an awesome choice of women.

[brush]

103. Not complicated, as black people have been told to sit down and shut up for...

hundreds of years. That's not complicated at all. Perhaps the Democratic Party, hugely supported by black people, would for once get behind and support a black woman VP. You know, reciprocate the support we've given for forever.

Not complicated at all.

[LizBeth]

106. As have ALL women.

[brush]

110. I beg your pardon? Have you forgotten enslavement, jim crow...

continuing systemic racism against black people? All women have not experience anything near that.

[LizBeth]

111. Wow. You know, we are on the same side. I get your statement. I think your are wrong.

Not going to argue it though. I disagree a need to find levels of women subjugation, humiliation, violence against us. I understand privilege and was having that conversation way before today. I think Warren would excel in that position, get things done that we need to get done that Biden or Harris won't.

I think Harris has strengths that would allow her to shine in AG, but now really seeing Sec of State with her skills.

I can see Warren taking Schumer position or Sec of Treasury, equally.

This is how I hire. What position would be most productive and what position will allow most success. Win win win for all of us. Why sabotage a woman's success not putting her in the right position.

Btw, I think Harris is the one the nation needed for Prres.

[brush]

112. Two white septuagenarins on the ticket? Not smart at all.

Warren would be a great Treasury Sec. We need a younger VP candidate. An all-white ticket in this time of finally reckoning with racial inequality? Again, not smart.

[LizBeth]

114. I disagree. I think it is smart. I also think it is the right thing to do, to get the most.

YOU do not think it is smart. I hear you.

[brush]

117. Even worse than two septuagenarians is the all-white ticket.

What are we, going back in time where POCs have to know their place?

[LizBeth]

118. This is being weaponized. I do not like it at all and will not play this one. I watched Biden

supporters play this game. I watched Sanders people do it with women as a whole. We disagree. I see no reason to have further conversation.

[gollygee]

104. Are you serious?

Black women sit down and wait so this White woman can have her turn. That's what you're saying.

[LizBeth]

108. Consistently I am saying I am good with each woman suggested. And no, we do not tell Warren not her

turn. I am consistent. Every post. Every conversation. I have legitimate reason Warren should be VP. Purely an opinion. Being white is not a reason to not consider her, or any other white woman. I want woman success, and I feel Warren will take off. I would like to see the opportunity like I wanted to see that opportunity with HRC.

Klobuchar. She stepped away and said should be a black woman. I respect that. She was about my 3rd choice for pres but I see reasons I would not want her as VP, being white is not one.

If not Warren I like Rice. After that I like Harris. What I think will be brought into the position and what we need, complimenting and filling in with Biden.

[LizBeth]

109. I hadn't considered this but I like Harris in Sec of State. I think that would be an excellent

position for her personality, skills, experience and look how awesome Clinton was.

[brush]

13. 3 things: Warren is 70+ and we need a younger VP, she can also be...

tagged with the socialist label by the repugs, and lastly, why in the world would we want to go with an all-white ticket in this time of finally arriving at an opportunity for reckoning with racial inequality?

[Thekaspervote]

37. Exactly!!

[Bettie]

91. They are already calling Biden a socialist

they'll call anyone we put up a socialist. They do every time.

[brush]

94. So we add one to the ticket to solidify their claims? And another...

white septuagenarian? We have to be smarter than that. We need a younger VP candidate to help attract younger voters.

[Bettie]

97. Young people like Warren

And she isn't a socialist. She's a Democrat.

[gristy]

15. He could name them both. Sort of...

The Advantage of a Biden Shadow Cabinet
If the former vice president names his future appointees now, it will cast him as the convener of a generational transition in national leadership.

RONALD BROWNSTEIN
MAY 28, 2020

Joe Biden beat a rival in the Democratic primary whose slogan was “Not me, us.” Now a growing number of Democrats believe that Biden should adopt Bernie Sanders’s rallying cry for himself—with a twist.

For Sanders, “Not me, us” conveyed that he viewed himself as the voice and vessel of a mass movement. That’s not a realistic aspiration for Biden, but the slogan could symbolize a compelling alternative role. The “us” wouldn’t be his passionate grassroots following; it would be a new generation of diverse public officials he would promise to bring into government with him if he’s elected.

To run on this message, Biden could identify the officials he would appoint to many of the top Cabinet positions in his administration—a roster that would inevitably include several of his competitors for the 2020 Democratic nomination. That approach would cast Biden less as a singular savior after the bruising conflicts of the Donald Trump years than as the convener of a generational transition in national leadership.

more: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/05/why-joe-biden-should-name-cabinet-now/612163/

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Yes, a shadow cabinet would be an excellent strategy, especially in light of the virtual convention

The surrogate shadow cabinet members could blanket the media and counter all the crimes and errors of Trump’s cabinet.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. Clearly Warren and Harris are the top two candidates to lead the ticket to victory

I don’t think either would be a bad choice, as far as winning the election.

While I find it a bit worrisome that Wall Street is actively lobbying for Harris and against Warren, I hope Biden goes with whomever the data shows to be the best strategic choice.

[BComplex]

17. Elizabeth Warren is far and away the best person for the ticket.

I've always had the deepest respect for her, and she's smarter by far than any of the other 2020 candidates. She's brilliant, in fact, and would make an awesome president.

Then, maybe Katie Porter can be Attorney General, and take Bill Barr to the penitentiary with the Cheeto Cheater in Chief.

[brush]

74. She's 70+, and will tagged with the socialist label by repugs...

and why in the world would we go with an all-white ticket in this time of finally reckoning with racial inequality, especially when the most loyal base of the party are POCs.

Let's think clearly, folks.

[BComplex]

86. I am thinking very clearly.

And evidently the polls agree with me! She's perfect at this point in our lives.

And, by the way, I believe ageism is against DU rules, and for a really good reason; AGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY SPECIFIC PERSON'S QUALIFICATIONS.

Nancy Pelosi is 80, and right now as we speak, she is 3rd in line for succession to the presidency under the constitution.

[brush]

89. And voters are guided by DU policies on ageism? Come on, think clearly.

Two white septuagenarians when the most loyal base of the party is POCs, plus we need to attract younger voters.

It's pretty clear an all-white ticket is not an ideal image we as a party should project in this time of finally reckoning with racial inequality.

[LizBeth]

19. I agree Warren is the better candidate with Biden. She makes up for AN area Biden is weak in.

Harris strength is more Biden strengths so they would be redundant where as Warren will be a real asset. I like Harris for AG taking her strength and supporting Biden.

[backtoblue]

20. Warren would slay Pence on a debate stage

Harris would too, but Warren is downright vicious in a debate.

[Bettie]

92. I would love to see either Harris or Warren

eviscerate Pence in a debate.

[unitedwethrive]

21. Not Warren! It was hard enough to get young people on board with Joe...he needs to be a

transitional president, ushering in a new generation. Period.

[LizBeth]

41. Warren would easily bring enthusiasm to the youth vote. I think that is her second best asset.

[kcr]

84. The new generation is more liberal

Which is why his pick needs to be from the left.

[LizBeth]

96. Yes and that will be youth enthusiasm plus her own energy and upbeat personality. But, Harris

comes in way more progressive than even Sanders and she does not get the credit for that. I have seen graphs where it shows Harris one of the most progressive. I do not remember how it compares to Warren, but I know she beat Sanders.

Btw, in the here and not and with Biden, I think Warren is the candidate we need. Harris was my Presidential nominee until she stepped out.

[GulfCoast66]

23. If he picks Harris he wins Florida.

He win Florida he wins.

Warren gets him nothing. Harris completes the remaking the Obama coalition which won Florida twice.

[Maru Kitteh]

28. agreed! nt

[JonLP24]

31. You obviously haven't looked at the poll numbers

Warren is Biden's best choice based on the poll numbers.

[grantcart]

42. That's why they have a campaign

Warren started way ahead in national recognition, organization and money.

When she finished 3rd in her home state she lost all credibility as a campaigner. She is included out of respect for her but has zero chance of getting the VP. If "ahead in the polls were that significant then Sanders would be the nominee.

Besides Warren would be much better in the Senate where she would have the freedom to push policies that she can understand and dominate more than any other Senator, much better than being an Administration team player.

She has the chance of rising to the stature of Teddy Kennedy leaving her brilliant imprint on a wide variety of policies.

She made a fundamental basic error in her campaign, she tried to introduce too many issues. Second rule of campaigning is to focus on 3 points and hammer away on them building intensity as you force your competitors to respond to your campaign.

If she had focused on

1) $ 200 additional bump for SS.

2) 2% Asset tax on $ 100 m

3) Build on the ACA

She would be the nominee.

[Thekaspervote]

38. +1000

[Indykatie]

29. Biden is Up By Double Digits in Most Polls So How Many Uncommitted Voters are Out There

I believe Biden would be more comfortable governing with Harris than Warren. Biden and Harris seem to have better chemistry to me and also seem very comfortable with one another since Biden clinched the nomination. The harsh things she said about Biden in the debate doesn't amount to a hill of beans as they say. Biden knows it's just politics.

[JonLP24]

30. The Debate Over Biden's VP Pick Is Full Of Half-Truths And Misleading Arguments

The case for not-Warren
VP candidate(s) being promoted: Abrams, Bottoms, Demings, Harris, Rice.
Advocates: More centrist white Democrats such as Sen. Amy Klobuchar and ex-Sen. Heidi Heitkamp.
The main public argument: A Black woman must be on the ticket in the wake of the Floyd protests.
The real main argument: They oppose Warren being on the ticket on policy grounds.

As we wrote earlier this year, there is some evidence that a VP nominee can boost the ticket by about 2 or 3 points in her home state. But much of the veepstakes, before Floyd’s death, revolved around fairly weak claims made by reporters, columnists and various Democrats and Trump-skeptical Republicans that choosing a nominee from the Midwest such as Sen. Amy Klobuchar or Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan would boost Biden throughout that region. At the same time, some Democratic Party big donors argued that Warren specifically would hurt Biden electorally, so he should pick basically anyone else — even as polls suggested that a Biden-Warren ticket was just as strong as or stronger than a ticket pairing Biden with other potential vice presidential candidates.

The Floyd protests and the resulting conversation about racial issues has tamped down talk of Democrats picking a white Midwestern woman. 3 The post-Floyd focus on racial inequality effectively ended Klobuchar’s chances of being the vice presidential nominee. She had been the top prosecutor in Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis, which is now at the center of America’s debate on race and policing. Civil rights activists have criticized Klobuchar for rarely bringing charges against police officers in incidents when they injured or killed civilians. So Klobuchar on Thursday announced that she no longer wanted to be considered for the vice presidency (she seemed very unlikely to be chosen) and urged Biden to “put a woman of color on that ticket” in part to “heal this nation right now.”

Other white Democratic moderates and white, Trump-skeptical Republicans are making the same case now too — or least hinting at it. 4 (Despite Klobuchar’s use of the term “woman of color,” the push is really for a Black woman. We should emphasize Harris is both Asian American and Black.)

I’m skeptical of the sincerity of the people pushing for a Black woman now and tying the push to the Floyd protests. The representational case for a Black woman makes some sense and was being made by many prominent Black Democrats like Clyburn and Rye before Floyd’s death. But the idea that a woman (or person) of color will heal the nation seems fantastical. (Were these people alive from 2009-2016?) And the idea that Abrams, Bottoms or any of the other Black women being considered have roughly equal abilities to heal the nation in the midst of the Floyd protests (which is why advocates of this idea don’t feel the need to name a specific woman) seems fairly unfounded too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-debate-over-bidens-vp-pick-is-full-of-half-truths-and-misleading-arguments/amp/

[StevieM]

32. My gut tells me he is going to pick Tammy Duckworth. (eom)

[Thekaspervote]

39. Tammy Duckworth would be a great choice

[greyl]

36. "based on poll's numbers" is not necessarily the ideal place to base. nt

[writes3000]

40. Warren Polls Better w/ Lower Income Independents. Harris Does Better w/ Higher Income. New Article

From yahoo on the same research.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/warren-harris-top-poll-battleground-100000026.html

[dutch777]

43. Please Michelle, please!!!!

I like Warren but I have to think, politically, that a women of color is the best play for VP this year. It has to be someone that has good solid experience and can speak powerfully. It can't just be symbolic, it has to be a person of substance.

[CTyankee]

53. Michelle has said she is not interested. Please stop. It's not an option. At all.

[WePurrsevere]

45. Just an FYI - This is a fairly small survey w/ a +/- 5% margin of error...

From here: https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/battleground-poll-results-of-independents

This survey fielded on [link:https://today.yougov.com/join-community/?sourceid=1178109&pdl.rlid=brand&pdl.rlid2=yougov&rlid={{competitors}}&gclid=Cj0KCQjwpNr4BRDYARIsAADIx9zY7OZSKdNJ-w-9AVCwv_7IamR9y64m6EI_Rn1aTyXF9jiPtITjr78aAkeiEALw_wcB|]YouGov’s online panel] and included 538 Independent US voters living in battleground states of Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin. The survey fielded from July 8-July 10, 2020, and was weighted to be representative of these states’ electorates by age, race/ethnicity, sex, education, US Census region, and 2016 Presidential vote choice. The margin of error for the survey is +/- 5%.

Survey/poll aside...
I greatly admire Warren and Harris and both would be an excellent pick. I think Tammy Duckworth would also be an excellent choice. This VP must be ready to be president right out of the box and must be a serious contender for the next presidential election. While I hope so, I'm not sure Warren, even at a youthful 71, will be perceived by a majority of Americans as one.

[betsuni]

46. Not going to be Warren.

[whistler162]

47. Yeah two white septuagenarians!

YIPEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

[brush]

79. Nailed it. That would not be the most attractive ticket.

Especially in this time of racial reckoning and the most loyal base of the party being POCs. Plus, we want to attract younger voters.

[gollygee]

105. Exactly

I love Elizabeth Warren but we don't need two old White people on our ticket.

[Hortensis]

48. Polls have shown Warren's had the greatest appeal all along.

Interesting that it endures so well months after she left the race.

Apparently a fair number of admirers also think she'd make a great treasury secretary. What's interesting to me is that Barney Frank, a Warren admirer who pushed Obama to put her in charge of creating the consumer protection bureau, apparently felt a need to say in an interview that that'd be a mistake.

"The financial institutions are very negative about her, unfairly in the degree they are," Frank said. "If you have someone who is that much opposed by the people being regulated, it doesn't work smoothly."

Makes sense. Segueing away a bit, I remember a Nobel laureate economist once describing Frank as one of only three in congress at that time who understood economics.

[honest.abe]

50. Misleading. This is a poll of independents.

Not surprising Warren would top that group.

Warren will not be the VP. No way we put two 70+ candidates on the ticket.

[SKKY]

51. This doesn't make an awful lot of sense to me...

...He gets Warren and her financial bonafides for free if he wants, and I'm sure he does because she knows of what she speaks. I just feel like NOT picking a woman of color, given the insanely impressive roster of candidates, is to miss an opportunity to right a wrong and to continue the push for a more racially inclusive America. But, what do I know? I'm just a dumb Sailor.

[FakeNoose]

52. Ignoring the obvious fact that Biden and Warren don't like each other

I don't believe Joe Biden and Liz Warren would make a good team. They have been at loggerheads against one another in the Senate for at least 10 years - or more.

Senator Warren would make a fine President one day and I would love to see her become the first woman President. However it would be a mistake to pair them up and expect a good "team" when we've already seen they don't like each other and probably can't work well together.

On the other hand I'm not sure how Kamala Harris would fit in either. I have tremendous respect for her and I hope she's a part of Biden's Cabinet. But I don't know if she should be the next Vice President. The glass ceiling will be broken by our next VP, there's no doubt about that. It's hard for me to envision anyone in that spot other than Hillary Clinton.

[apnu]

54. Harris for VP, Warren for Sec. of Treasury.

There done, easy.

Wall Street will shit its collective pants if Warren is running the Treasury.

[Demsrule86]

62. No, Biden has to be able to work well with a VP...I don't see it.

[LizBeth]

73. I want Warren because I think she is what is needed now, But Harris and Biden get along well.

Just like Harris and Warren get along well. Lots of Democrats this primary are working hard to create angst between primary candidates and I have not seen an example. Warren had her ideas, and Harris threw a zinger at her. Meh, a debate. I think all of them are smart enough, professional enough to understand running against each other, and no one went over the line.

I have not seen any genuine dislike like what I saw with Dems going after HRC. One of them was Biden, never quite there in supporting her unconditionally.

[brush]

81. Yes, that works.

[LizBeth]

99. I wouldn't mind seeing Warren in Sec of Treasury, if not VP. I like that better than AG.

I like Harris for AG with her skills and temperament better than VP. I preferred Harris as Pres.

I also like Warren in the slot of Schumer but I do not know he would give that up.

[DFW]

57. My poll of one is unanimous

Neither Harris nor Warren, please.

[Duppers]

115. Who then?

[DFW]

126. Almost any woman but those two

A sitting president needs a VP who has his back with NO knife in their hand.

[flamingdem]

63. Biden/Warren 2020

[brush]

83. Two white septuagenarians? Please. We need a younger VP pick...

preferably a woman of color to attract younger voters. Let's think clearly, folks.

[Goodheart]

64. I love Warren, but it's got to be Kamala.

Warren would make a fantastic Attorney General. Republicans would shit themselves.

[Happy Hoosier]

66. Warren would be replaced by a Republican governor.

That's a big negative right there.

[Gothmog]

85. That is a major issue

we need every Senate seat

[Victor_c3]

76. I'm very progressive in my stances, but I feel Warren would be better suited in other positions

Maybe it’s just me and my perception, but VP’s generally don’t have that significant of a role within the presidency. It seems to me that the VP position is mostly used as a stepping stool to the presidency.

In my opinion, Harris has the temperament and an ease of talking with media and the public that reeks of confidence and leadership that I didn’t feel from anybody else during the primary season. She was my first pick for the presidency and I’d be elated to see her get the VP spot or SOS.

Warren I feel would be more useful to all of us in a more focused position, whether it be Secretary of Treasury, Attorney General, or in congress where she has a great amount of influence through the committees she chairs or is a part of.

You can’t argue with the numbers, but I believe Americans would be better served with Harris as the VP and Warren in a more focused position where she can enact real change in our system.

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This is not at all related to the topic, but I have to say that I’m very pleased with Biden so far. He’s building a great team and listening to the best ideas everyone has to offer. Not just because of the individual strength of Biden, but rather the strength of the entire administration he’s creating is making me very hopeful and excited about a Biden Presidency. To me, Biden is displaying true leadership.

[ProfessorGAC]

82. Better How?

How many people make their voting decision, or decision to go vote, based on the running mate?
Especially now with a hugely polarizing incumbent.
I want him to pick the best person FOR HIM.
Other than that, I don't think VP choice is much of an electoral lever.

[StarfishSaver]

90. Nothing in this poll "shows Warren better for Biden Ticket than Harris"

This poll asks a lot of questions, but not one about the only thing that would indicate that Warren would bring more votes to the ticket than any other candidate would.

While this polls suggests that some of the people questioned like or agree with Warren more than the other potential VP nominee, there is nothing in this poll that tells us that Warren would make anyone more likely to vote for Biden than any other candidate. None of those polled were asked if there's anything different about Warren that would make them vote for a Biden-Warren ticket where they wouldn't vote for a Biden ticket without Warren on it.

Independent voters (by a 57-20 margin) and uncommitted Independent voters (by a 65-12 margin) prefer Biden select a Vice President based on who would help him govern effectively rather than who would help him with turnout or persuasion.

Independent voters and uncommitted Independents voters’ top issue for Biden to keep in mind when making a Vice President selection is the economy, with 60 and 67 percent of these voters calling that issue “very important,” followed by the coronavirus pandemic (55 and 62 percent “very important” respectively) and access to healthcare (53 and 57 percent “very important” respectively).

Elizabeth Warren is overwhelmingly rated by Independents and uncommitted Independents as the most effective on the economy (22 percent and 14 percent) and coronavirus (13 percent and 10 percent)—their top two issues—at up to more than three times more than the next most preferred potential VP nominee.

Warren is also rated five to one as most effective on helping Americans who are being exploited by Wall Street (at 25 percent, with the next nearest candidate at 5 percent).

Independents value potential nominees who have experience passing bipartisan legislation (with 48 percent calling this “very important”), fighting to lower healthcare and drug costs (38 percent), taking on special interests (40 percent), and specifically taking on the corrupting influence of Wall Street in our government (31 percent), each of these being major components of Warren’s primary campaign message.

Elizabeth Warren is particularly popular on the economy and effectiveness among Independent and uncommitted voters who report they are considering voting for Biden but are not enthusiastic about doing so, with fully 34 percent of “dissatisfied Biden voters” selecting Warren as the strongest on the economy.

By a significant margin, battleground state Independents including Independents currently uncommitted to Biden or Trump rate Elizabeth Warren as the most effective as President on day one if called to serve (at 16 percent).

Nothing that comes even close to showing that Warren on the ticket would make anyone more likely to vote for Biden than they would if anyone else were on the ticket instead of her.

In other words, there is a HUGE difference between someone being a voter's PREFERRED candidate and someone actually making a difference on the ticket.

But it does seem that every time it starts to look like Harris has the edge, these kinds of stories pop up pushing Warren again.

[PunkinPi]

102. Exactly this...

every time it starts to look like Harris has the edge, these kinds of stories pop up pushing Warren again.

The article in the OP references the CBS poll from May, and there's a more recent poll (pg 123) that suggests Harris is the preferred VP pick of nearly every demographic, including among all Democratic voters, and specifically Black and Hispanic voters.

I can't wait til the Veepstakes are over.

[nolabear]

100. I love her but he'd be a fool. It's the right time.

Warren deserves a cabinet position and she’d be a great BP. But if he’s going with I Care, he’d better show up for black folks and women. Everyone expects it. There are qualified women who could lead like the pros they are, and he can be portrayed as just mouthing his enthusiastic support if it isn’t.

[ElementaryPenguin]

113. Susan Rice - better still!

[Hekate]

116. Age, and ability to run for POTUS in 2024 or 2028...

I love Liz, but I am just saying that is a genuine consideration

[honest.abe]

119. Your numbers are off a bit.. like about 20 years.

[Hekate]

123. Fixed it. My, how time flies when you're having fun.

Thanks.