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(52,323 posts)
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:55 PM Jul 2020

I don't think donnie aced the cognitive test

Doesn't at all fit his m.o. to pass a test then gloat about passing it.

We're talking about someone who has lied over 20,000 times in four years, often to cover his failings or exaggerate his accomplishments.

If he passed a test and it showed he didn't have dementia, if that's all it ever was, he would have said nothing. It's a non-event.

Ah, but if he failed it, Or he only passed with considerable prompting and assistance, if the conclusion was that there *was* some cognitive impairment -- *that* is exactly the sort of thing donnie would immediately want to lie and disinform about.


He's insisting he passed it because he didn't.
He's insisting it proves he's a genius because it proved he's cognitively impaired.

He's lying.

Because that who he is, that's what he does.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. At a minimum, I bet he identified the elephant as a Republican, and the snake as
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:57 PM
Jul 2020

Kushner, Ivanka, Junior, or most of his Admin.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,610 posts)
3. The test is defined as minimal functional capabilities.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:01 AM
Jul 2020

Not exactly an endorsement of what we need in President. Especially one that thinks acing this test deserves a lap around the intellectual track.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
4. It's right up there with ...
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:01 AM
Jul 2020

... feeling the need to prove he can drink a glass of water with one hand, and navigate a ramp without assistance.

A person who can actually DO those things doesn't feel any need to discuss it, or opine on it.

fierywoman

(7,694 posts)
5. As to what he said the MDs said (something like they'd never seen
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:04 AM
Jul 2020

anything like his answers), that's rich in double-entendre.

BigmanPigman

(51,627 posts)
6. He thinks it is a good thing to even take that particular test
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:04 AM
Jul 2020

and passing it, as though it is a test of his intelligence and not whether or not he has dementia (the purpose of the test).

The doctor behind a cognitive test Trump took says 'it's supposed to be easy"...
"This is not an IQ test or the level of how a person is extremely skilled or not,” Nasreddine agreed in a call with MarketWatch. “The test is supposed to help physicians detect early signs of Alzheimer’s, and it became very popular because it was a short test, and very sensitive for early impairment.”

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-doctor-behind-a-cognitive-test-trump-took-says-its-supposed-to-be-easy-for-people-with-no-cognitive-impairment-2020-07-20

madaboutharry

(40,220 posts)
9. He said "The last 5 questions were very hard."
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:39 AM
Jul 2020

One of the last 5 questions is counting backwards from 100. I bet he had difficulty with that. Another is repeating the names of 5 items you were told a few minutes before. He thought these “were very hard” and he told Chris Wallace “You couldn’t do it.”

murielm99

(30,764 posts)
11. Even if he didn't pass it,
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 03:43 AM
Jul 2020

there is nothing we can do about it. The republicans will cover for him, no matter what.

unblock

(52,323 posts)
13. Let's hope the media is finally turning on him
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:43 PM
Jul 2020

I'm hopeful we'll see a vicious cycle of worsening media coverage, worsening poll numbers, and more and more republicans distancing themselves from him.

The media for far to long have reported on him and let him rant on With all the dignity and respect a president "should" get instead of on the basis of him being a chronic, massive liar; a grifter; a cheat; and a cognitively impaired idiot.

RockCreek

(739 posts)
12. If it was the MOCA here is info about scoring
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jul 2020

They probably started with orientation questions to get him comfortable ( the last 5 in this cersion). They Also may have thrown in a few nunscored questions like "who is the president?" to get him engaged and happy.


https://www.mdcalc.com/montreal-cognitive-assessment-moca


FACTS & FIGURES
Interpretation:

MoCA Score <26 points is 90% sensitive for mild cognitive impairment and 100% sensitive for Alzheimer’s disease.

Although the average MoCA score for Alzheimer patients is much lower than for MCI patients, there exists some overlap, such that the cutoff score is the same for both; the presence of functional impairment should distinguish them, not their MoCA Score.

EVIDENCE APPRAISAL
The MoCA was initially derived by Nasreddine et al 2005 in a cohort of 94 patients with mild cognitive impairment (MCI), 93 with mild Alzheimer's disease, and 90 healthy controls. The authors found that at a cutoff score of 26, the MoCA identified 90% of patients with mild cognitive impairment, compared with 18% for the reference standard at the time (MMSE). The MoCA was also 87% specific at the same cutoff.

In addition to validation in differentiating MCI from mild Alzheimer's, the MoCA has since been validated in several more clinical conditions, including in vascular dementia (Freitas 2012), frontotemporal dementia (Freitas 2012), and dementia due to hypertensive arteriopathy (Webb 2014)

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
14. Anyone with any sense and intelligence would have never even let it out that he took it.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 01:22 PM
Jul 2020

After all, why else take a test to see if he was playing with a full deck?
Does everyone else have to take a mental fitness test, unless a doctors suspect a problem?

Who in their right mind would even open that door to more questioning about the revelation alone, especially when he whined about it being so difficult to pass?

Especially after he told all Americans to drink bleach, inject themselves with Lysol, and shove a light sabre up their ass, because he claimed to know more than the best doctors.

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