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Here's the cognitive assessment form with instructions (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2020 OP
It's a dementia test mucifer Jul 2020 #1
Yes. It's the Montreal Cognitive Assessment MoCA Nevilledog Jul 2020 #2
The fact that he is bringing attention to the fact that someone gave him a dementia test is bizarre. mucifer Jul 2020 #3
It's not just used for dementia. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #4
The last five question are tough. These are the last two... LakeArenal Jul 2020 #5
Right? Nevilledog Jul 2020 #6
I had to take cognitive tests Mossfern Jul 2020 #7
First, much thanks for doing the study! Nevilledog Jul 2020 #8
Do you have an APOe4 allele? wackadoo wabbit Jul 2020 #9
Yes I do Mossfern Jul 2020 #13
That's actually funny about hiring people to pretend to be your kids! wackadoo wabbit Jul 2020 #15
All things considered, my newest nickname for Trump is "Dementia Don." Brother Mythos Jul 2020 #10
I've taken this test multiple times during a brain injury / seizures period in my life. It's a 2nd uponit7771 Jul 2020 #11
But is a Canadian test suitable for Americans? Buns_of_Fire Jul 2020 #12
Those last 5 questions are damn hard! jcgoldie Jul 2020 #14

Nevilledog

(51,122 posts)
2. Yes. It's the Montreal Cognitive Assessment MoCA
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jul 2020

It's the cognitive test broken down into sections including instructions. That's the testing trump is bragging about aching.

mucifer

(23,550 posts)
3. The fact that he is bringing attention to the fact that someone gave him a dementia test is bizarre.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 12:44 PM
Jul 2020

Nevilledog

(51,122 posts)
4. It's not just used for dementia.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 12:46 PM
Jul 2020

I linked to that site because it included what instructions a person would receive. The whole picture of how fucking insane it is that he's so proud of himself.

LakeArenal

(28,820 posts)
5. The last five question are tough. These are the last two...
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jul 2020

• “Tell me the date today.” prompt accordingly for specifics.
• “Now tell me the name of this place and what town it is in”.

Yep hard. Don’t think Biden can answer them.

If it wasn’t so petty, please Joe can you answer these questions.

Mossfern

(2,513 posts)
7. I had to take cognitive tests
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 12:59 PM
Jul 2020

because I signed up for an Alzheimer's drug study. My mom had Alzheimer's so I sent in a DNA sample. I have one of a possible pair of APOE genes that are linked to the disease. The cognitive tests that I took were much like that, but longer and more involved. The list of words to remember was closer to 15 and I had to complete several sequencing patterns- it was like racing against a clock. The test itself took over a half hour. Had a brain MRI and PET scan to see if there were clusters amyloid proteins.(negative) It turned out that the drug was bad before I was given it, but later I got a call from the research group asking me if I would donate my brain to them after I die. I considered it for a bit.

Five words - HA! They also asked me to sequence the words that they gave me - like 'was "plumber" before or after "house".
I challenge Trump to take the test that I did.

Nevilledog

(51,122 posts)
8. First, much thanks for doing the study!
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 01:04 PM
Jul 2020

Second, sounds like the study you did had a much more involved cognitive test. I'm sure that's because they wanted a more in depth baseline for test subjects.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,167 posts)
9. Do you have an APOe4 allele?
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:35 AM
Jul 2020

If you do, there are some things you can do to mitigate its effects. I'll be happy to share them with you, if you're interested.

Mossfern

(2,513 posts)
13. Yes I do
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:11 AM
Jul 2020

All testing showed that there was no degradation, but I'll take all the advice I can.

As I said, my mom had Alzheimer's and it was a horribly painful experience for her (for a while until she was unaware of it) but especially for me and my siblings. I told my kids that they had two options if I developed it: They could kill me or they could hire people to visit me in whatever facility in which I was living and pretend that they were my kids. There is no way I want them to go through what I did.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,167 posts)
15. That's actually funny about hiring people to pretend to be your kids!
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 12:56 AM
Jul 2020

(I can have a morbid sense of humor.)

Anyway, I apologize for taking so long to get back to you.

The important thing to know is that Alzheimer's is not only preventable, but it's actually reversible if you catch it early enough. I know, that sounds crazy, but here are three papers on how it's been reversed in people with APOe4 alleles (and sometimes these people were homozygous — i.e., both of their alleles were e4s — which increases the risk factor something like 10-fold).

And the first paper gives instructions on how it was done.

These papers were authored by Dr. Dale Bredesen. He was/is a researcher in the neurology department at the UCLA School of Medicine. He's not a crackpot.

I find it interesting that he couldn't find anyone to co-author his first paper. I guess no one wanted to be associated with such an outrageous theory. In subsequent papers he had many co-authors.

The first paper can be a bit technical in the first half, but you can skip that if you want; the important stuff for your purposes is in the second half.

https://www.aging-us.com/article/100690/text#fulltext

https://www.aging-us.com/article/100981/text#fulltext

https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/reversal-of-cognitive-decline-100-patients-2161-0460-1000450-105387.html

I'm going to send you a PM with more info.



uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
11. I've taken this test multiple times during a brain injury / seizures period in my life. It's a 2nd
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:52 AM
Jul 2020

... grade test not to test IQ or anything but to see if you're functioning correctly.

It's alarming this was requested ... this is really alarming

Buns_of_Fire

(17,183 posts)
12. But is a Canadian test suitable for Americans?
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:52 AM
Jul 2020

Client suitability of the MoCA

• Anyone suspected of having a mild cognitive impairment.
• Heavily language dependent so not appropriate with significant aphasia.
• The MoCA does not evaluate judgement and insight.
• It is not a test for decision making capacity.
• Lower level clients may find the MMSE less frustrating.

I leave it to you good people to imagine your own good 'n' snarky comments as they apply to President Talking Yam.

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