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bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 08:50 AM Jul 2020

No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up.

That Lily Tomlin joke written by Jane Wagner came out of the 1970s, when Vietnam, Watergate, the oil crisis, stagflation, and the end of the economic boom after the second World War combined to make Americans pessimistic, withdrawn, and hopeless.

I was born in the 60s, and I watched adults withdraw from political engagement in the 1970s. Some were drawn to bizarre weirdo politics, and a lot of the roots of the Jacobin left were created in the aftermath of the breakdown of Western culture in the late '60s and early '70s.

When Americans realized that their political institutions would not work, the ethos became: drop out. Join the counter culture. Don't expect electoral politics to work.

"Hairstyles and attitudes" became the dominant focus of pop culture in the 1970s.

I was worried that the Trump administration would result in Americans withdrawing from political engagement, but I have been pleasantly surprised by the outpouring of fierce energy. I worry about the safety of protesters, but they are doing God's work here.

Dropping out was never a solution. I love the adults that I saw in the 1970s, but I wish that they had been a little bit more engaged. I get why people got cynical, but we're living in the consequences of the Jacobin negativism of 50 years ago.

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No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up. (Original Post) bluedye33139 Jul 2020 OP
The counter cultures were engaged in the 60's, but overdid it. empedocles Jul 2020 #1
People like Tom Hayden, I think, were a good model for engagement bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #2
So, is our general cynicism a learned response Bettie Jul 2020 #3
I love that song. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #4
I love that song too Bettie Jul 2020 #5

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
2. People like Tom Hayden, I think, were a good model for engagement
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 09:01 AM
Jul 2020

And Jerry Brown. And there were a fair number of people who came out of radical politics and into real politics.

I sometimes wonder if our internet addiction and the fact that we have turned into the Borg is why we haven't all unplugged yet. "Tune in, turn on, drop out" doesn't work when we're all playing with our phones!

Bettie

(16,130 posts)
3. So, is our general cynicism a learned response
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 09:08 AM
Jul 2020

or a genuine response to things that are happening and have happened?

Or is our current situation a direct result of this withdrawal from politics?

Either way, now I'm listening to Timbuck 3, which had a song called Hairstyles and Attitudes.

Bettie

(16,130 posts)
5. I love that song too
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 09:16 AM
Jul 2020

and actually everything on their one album...but it was also when I was in college.

Now we live in some kind of weird hell dimension where nothing makes sense.

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