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Here's something we Southerners want to see a LOT more of, especially in Texas, Georgia and Florida (Original Post) DFW Jul 2020 OP
That's a great sign, and I agree: I want to see a lot more of them. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2020 #1
yes we need a lot more of those ! nt steve2470 Jul 2020 #2
Hey! I'll take the support! Wounded Bear Jul 2020 #3
So will I! DFW Jul 2020 #4
I live in a very red area. On one of the 2 main N/S roads on the island... CaptainTruth Jul 2020 #5
Saw my first BIDEN 2020 yard sign in my 'hood on this a.m.'s bike ride Fritz Walter Jul 2020 #6
Ha! not fooled Jul 2020 #7
Ha! How I would love to buy a bunch of those signs, Dem2theMax Jul 2020 #8
Someone just wake me up Roc2020 Jul 2020 #9
Biden2020 signs are popping up all over my neighborhood. calimary Jul 2020 #10
Still a hard sell lame54 Jul 2020 #11
A sign like that is less of a sell DFW Jul 2020 #13
But republican is synonymous with stupid lame54 Jul 2020 #14
Hardly DFW Jul 2020 #15
And that sign was on one of these so-called... lame54 Jul 2020 #17
That sign shows a Republican with some net worth to preserve DFW Jul 2020 #19
I have never seen such opposition to an incumbent president Lionel Mandrake Jul 2020 #12
I really think we here in Florida are different than the other two. GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #16
Florida does have that special demographic DFW Jul 2020 #18
I see your point. GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #20
I wasn't referring to the debate, actually DFW Jul 2020 #21
I think Rice gives too much ammo to the republicans, although I like her. GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #22
We had to furlough some people back in March DFW Jul 2020 #24
Which means they will need 3 employees to replace you! GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #25
I sort of semi-disconnect DFW Jul 2020 #26
Hah. From what I've read, and correct me if I'm mistaken, GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #27
No bother! LOL!! DFW Jul 2020 #28
LMAO. This will not be a popular post with many on DU! GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #29
I'm rarely in Florida--all the more reason to take your offer seriously DFW Jul 2020 #30
Sharing it about!!! nt LAS14 Jul 2020 #23

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,637 posts)
1. That's a great sign, and I agree: I want to see a lot more of them.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jul 2020

It's to the point and brilliantly clear.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
4. So will I!
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:38 PM
Jul 2020

It is a short step from "I am a Republican but I am not a fool" to "I am no longer a Republican. I am not a fool."

CaptainTruth

(6,594 posts)
5. I live in a very red area. On one of the 2 main N/S roads on the island...
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 04:25 PM
Jul 2020

...someone has put out a bright red sign, right by the road where traffic in both directions can easily see it, that says:

DONALD TRUMP
MAKE AMERICA
GREAT AGAIN
RESIGN!

Last time I drove by they had 4 American flags around it.

In 2016 I counted 6 Trump signs along that stretch of road & no Clinton signs. As of last week there are zero Trump signs in that same area, just that one anti-Trump sign.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
6. Saw my first BIDEN 2020 yard sign in my 'hood on this a.m.'s bike ride
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 04:46 PM
Jul 2020

In NE FL, a previously deep red area. I've seen only one sign for Donald the Dope, and that was in a much deeper-red neighborhood.

Yesterday, when the pest-control technician stopped by for my monthly visit, he said he agreed with my yard sign for Donna Deegan, who's running against John Rutherford (R) for the House seat for this district. Rutherford is as much a failure in Congress as he was as Duh-val sheriff. He said that -- years ago -- he was in the hospital for surgical post-op care at the same time that Donna was, and spent at least an hour talking to the 3x cancer survivor. I gave the tech my extra yard sign, which I was saving just in case my first sign got stolen or vandalized (hasn't happened yet, another surprise).

As my signature-image indicates, I'm really hoping for a Blue tsunami to sweep a LOT of "down-ticket" votes. But, for that to happen, we must Get. Out. The. Vote.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
7. Ha!
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 04:54 PM
Jul 2020

They're tacitly implying that there's something wrong with them by being a republican...they're just not bad enough to support red don (again).

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
8. Ha! How I would love to buy a bunch of those signs,
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 05:05 PM
Jul 2020

and surreptitiously leave them in Republican neighbors yards late at night.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
10. Biden2020 signs are popping up all over my neighborhood.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 05:41 PM
Jul 2020

And there are a couple of "You're FIRED," signs with a trump caricature on it.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
13. A sign like that is less of a sell
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:15 PM
Jul 2020

And more of a declaration of „but I‘m not THAT stupid!“

DFW

(54,405 posts)
15. Hardly
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:27 PM
Jul 2020

Their rank and file supporters are indeed stupid. Their elite is as smart as can be. They are rich and powerful because they are so clever at getting millions of stupid people to support them when their only reward is seeing people like themselves suffer as a consequence.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
19. That sign shows a Republican with some net worth to preserve
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:39 PM
Jul 2020

The cave man magats have none, and thus never need to check the financial section of the paper to see how far their portfolio has dropped this week.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
12. I have never seen such opposition to an incumbent president
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:14 PM
Jul 2020

from within his own party. I'd also like to see more of this down South.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
16. I really think we here in Florida are different than the other two.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:29 PM
Jul 2020

We voted for Obama twice and almost elected a flawed candidate for Governor in 18.

I used to think Biden needed to pick Harris for us to win here and I still think is he best bet to win us. But I don’t think that matters anymore.

Biden keeps doing a couple a times a week press conferences and let trump be trump and Florida is back in the Blue column.

The old folks here are rightfully scared. We don’t need many of them to make the difference.

I know 3 republicans well. Work friends, not social. 2 voted for trump one sat it out. Well, wrote in Kaisch. All 3 are voting for Joe and can’t stand Trump. Obviously economic driven republicans and not evangelicals. And they really are not that tied in to politics like we are.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
18. Florida does have that special demographic
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:35 PM
Jul 2020

As for his VP, he knows better than anyone that a sitting president needs a VP who has his back, and not one ready to plunge a knife into it at the earliest possible convenience. Please, neither Warren nor Harris.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
20. I see your point.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:50 PM
Jul 2020

Most likely tied to the contentious debate. But, in my opinion that’s politics and their families seem close. Plus, I think the attack actually helped him in the end. It should not be a love fest.

Agree about Warren. Not the knife in the back thing but it was African Americans staying home that hurt us last time. And Hillary was just hated by independents. Don’t think Warren adds anything.

I like Duckworth and would be fine with the pick. She’s knows her stuff and paid a huge price in service to the nation.

Do you mind if I ask your preference?

You’re up late. Or are you in the States?

Have a nice evening.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
21. I wasn't referring to the debate, actually
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:19 PM
Jul 2020

But that does reinforce my sentiments, now that you mention it. Warren once did something so cynical and heartless to someone I know, it soured me on her forever. I'm afraid I can't elaborate here. That doesn't prevent me from appreciating her abilities or her intellect, but it does prevent me from wanting her a heartbeat away from the presidency.

I am indeed in the States for the moment (outer tip of Cape Cod, where I come every year to decompress).

I don't really have a top preference for VP at the moment. Duckworth or Rice would suit me fine. Klobuchar would have been a logical pick, as well, but from the coordinated attacks on her, she must have made enemies that didn't want to make themselves known publicly, and she backed down. She always struck me as someone with good instincts. I met her and Duckworth at the same event, when they were both running for national office for the first time. That was 2006 at the annual big Emily's List gathering in Washington. It was also the first time I met Obama, coincidentally. Klobuchar won her Senate seat, Duckworth lost her run for the House that year, but made it later on, and made it to the Senate with a well-timed and well-run race. Both very personable and both very smart.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
22. I think Rice gives too much ammo to the republicans, although I like her.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 08:28 PM
Jul 2020

It’s becoming apparent that the attacks on Biden are not working and will not with independents. He is too well known. So in my opinion the best option is a VP who will not give them any.

I agree Harris is ambitious and has some angles to be attacked.

But here in the South African Americans are the base of our party. In the big cities of the Midwest states as well. I would like to see them represented on the ticket. Although Duckworth really has no downsides and the republicans would go beyond the pale attacking her, to their chagrin.

Enjoy your time on Cape Cod. I’m still furloughed with not much hope of being brought back. So at 54 with a specific job history from a very good paying job I may be let go. Fortunately our retirement is ample from the company as is our savings. The thing that distresses me the most is the fact I might not be able to go back to Europe until we can touch our retirement! The wife is still working her job which pays well and can cover my insurance if need be.

Enjoy your vacation.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
24. We had to furlough some people back in March
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:17 PM
Jul 2020

But we brought them all back by May. We are pretty big on loyalty, and in return, the outfit tries to earn it.

As for me, I have ironclad job security. The trouble is, I would like to slow down a bit, and would love to hire/train a replacement. This James Bond/Jason Bourne travel schedule of two or three countries a day gets tedious after 45 years, although I'd die at a desk job.

The requirements are a little specific. EU working papers, for starters. Ability to spot/detect counterfeits of US money (paper and coins) back to 1792. Ability to speak/write English, Spanish, Italian, French, German, Dutch, one Scandinavian language, and either Russian or Polish, with at least a rudimentary knowledge of whichever one is not the primary Slavic language. Catalan helps, but is not essential.

Needless to say, the line does not extend around the corner.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
25. Which means they will need 3 employees to replace you!
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:41 PM
Jul 2020

I’m 13 months from being able to retire at basic pension. But if I worked till 62 it would more than double. 65 triple. Of course, I’m vested and can’t lose my pension and our basic one is more generous than many people make. It will not be a decision that is made by anyone who knows me. That is what concerns me.

Not complaining. If had a great 33 run and if it ends it leaves me with a comfortable future. Just not as comfortable as I had hoped. Can’t say too much but I work for a huge company in central Florida that with no travel or leisure will make no money. And they have been pretty loyal for a huge company. Especially with those that have time with the company.

And not giving up hope. Until now our company has always offered generous packages to those close to retirement when time get tough and it has generally been enough. But we have never faced economic challenges like this.

There are millions in worse shape than me. Even if I had to take a 30K a year job we are more than good. Fortunately the wife has 38 years, makes more than me and is not at risk.

I really enjoy your posts and especially your credible personal insight on Europe. Too many on DU see it as the promise land and do not realize they often have warts as bad as ours.

Enjoy your time off. I doubt you can disconnect from work but hope you are able.




DFW

(54,405 posts)
26. I sort of semi-disconnect
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 11:27 PM
Jul 2020

Even when someone in Europe absolutely needs to contact me, it's rarely after noon our time, because that's 6 PM over there. Every now and then, someone thinks life won't go on without my input on some issue, but I try to dispatch it ASAP.

There are always some Europeans who, despite superior benefits in certain areas there, prefer to live in the USA. There is more freedom from bureaucracy in certain aspects of life here, and some people are willing to value that more highly than the state-offered benefits in certain countries over there. It's a trade-off, always.

I don't have a pension plan. We do have 401k plans, though I have no idea what mine is worth. It can't be paid out until the employment ends, and I don't see that any time soon, so I never asked. I do have a Roth IRA, for which I paid the taxes up front, which is how the Roth IRA works. I was still a US resident at the time, so under US law, what I have in there is mine, free and clear. Only--the Germans want to tax it again, which clearly illegal under the Germany-USA double taxation treaty. But they don't care. "Enteignung" did not die out in 1945, it would seem. I pay German taxes (around 50% net and all in), but a good part of my income, all of which is from the USA, is source-taxed, so I don't get any of it until it has already been subject to US tax. The Germans want to tax that, too, which would leave me with about 10% of the gross--a little light if I am to pay the bills over there. This is also illegal under the double taxation treaty, but, again--it's up to me to prove why they are wrong. This has been going on for 8 years now.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
27. Hah. From what I've read, and correct me if I'm mistaken,
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:11 AM
Jul 2020

With the healthcare tax once your income is over a certain amount it skyrockets. No graduated rated like in some nations. Or our tax code.

When the ACA was getting going I did a lot of reading about different nations systems and if I remember Germany’s seem odd. Of course Google University is worth what I paid.

I thought France our best example because I could see how we could get to something similar using the ACA. But it been years so my memory may have slipped.

I’ve spent enough time in Europe working and vacationing to know, that even as a liberal democrat, I could not live there full time unless making bank. And then would need a few months back here hunting and fishing and boating unbothered on the gulf. The amount of uniformity expected and bureaucracy accepted would drive even most DU members mad. I love visiting and could see myself spending summers there, but I’m too much an American. A German friend I took fishing explained to me the number of classes needed to get a fishing license in his state. He was shocked he could pay $18 and fish for a year. And I put him on a bunch of fish to take home. He was thrilled.

And when in Switzerland I found a license to shoot a deer was $5000.

Enjoy the evening. I won’t bother you anymore tonight!

DFW

(54,405 posts)
28. No bother! LOL!!
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:50 AM
Jul 2020

It DOES take a lot of getting used to when you move to Europe. The amount of paperwork and bureaucracy can be dumbfounding if you aren't prepared for it.

Both my daughters got their first driver's licenses in the USA. The Germans said they both had to get German driver's licenses as well, even though the way Germans drive, a German driver's license is more like James Bond's license to kill.

In 1979, when a few German friends visited me in Massachusetts, where I was living for a couple of years, we visited my parents' home down south. They asked me in which place I was registered with the police. I didn't understand the question. They asked again, where was my residence was registered with the police? I said my residence wasn't registered with the police anywhere. They asked how that could be? I still didn't get what they meant. They explained that in Germany when you live somewhere, you have to register it with the local police, and when you move, you have to tell the local police that you are moving, and when you move, you have to register again with the local police, or at their agency at city hall.

I thought they were joking, and asked if they meant in East Germany, or were they talking about the Nazi era? They thought I was being stupid, and said, no that was the current law in West Germany, and what were the rules in the USA? I said that in the USA, if you want to move somewhere, you pack up your stuff and move. You tell the Post Office if you want your mail forwarded, not the police. They couldn't believe it. For my part, I couldn't believe what they were telling me, but when I moved here, I found they were telling the truth.

A German friend told me of the well-known (in Germany) tale of an engineering convention, where an American engineer and a German engineer were talking, and found that they both had almost identical projects to build a bridge over a small river in their respective towns. They made it a point to compare progress at the next convention, to take place in three years. Three years later, when they met up, the American engineer told his German counterpart that his project was completed. The German told his American colleague that he was finished as well. The American congratulated his German friend, and said his bridge had just opened for traffic two weeks ago, and what was the opening date for his friend's bridge in Germany? Confused, the German asked, "what do you mean opening date?" He said that in the intervening three years, he had just completed his paperwork. Actual construction on the bridge wasn't to start for another five years.

As for uniformity, that is a big issue in Germany. My elder daughter was sort of mobbed by some of the teachers in her high school. Her English teacher, in particular, gave her low grades as punishment for knowing English better than the teacher did, and sometimes called her prose incorrect, crossing out words that were correctly used, and correcting them using words so fake that even Trump would spot them as not English. I was furious, but powerless. She was in tears, and after graduation, vowed never to attend another German school. Several years later, she called me from her college in the USA, and asked what the word "valedictorian" meant, and why did it mean she had to give a speech in English in front of a couple thousand people? I explained, and told her that it was too late to play dumb now. She got a crash course in public speaking, and did just fine, by the way. A day later, I introduced her to Howard Dean and Al Gore, and reminded her there was nothing she couldn't do--exactly the opposite of what her German school had tried to tell her--, and not to let anyone tell her otherwise.

I have gotten used to Germany by now (more or less), but I will not be dominated by their conformist mentality. I play along with those aspects I find positive (and there are plenty), and try to steer clear of those I don't like--something I often fail at. American-born, American I remain, as you.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
29. LMAO. This will not be a popular post with many on DU!
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 01:31 AM
Jul 2020

After 2 months of working in a shipyard in the Venice area of Italy I knew I could never live in Europe.

Loved the the people, the food, the Atmosphere and the history. But no one could do a damned thing without getting permission. Not just the Italians but even the Brits. We had to get orders on how to move towels and by the time the orders came they could have had them moved. Not that my career is towel moving! But I was trying to chip in and help. I was young. In hindsight I should have gone into Venice and had Cicchetti and ombré which I could have done. I’ve since made good on my poor decision

Ironically had I not spent so much time in Europe I might be far left. It made me realize moderation is the key.

I take it your daughter was Ivy League. You must have been bursting with pride. One of my dear friends, wife to a friend of 42 years, is Yale Undergrad and Harvard law grad. Smartest person I know. Her husband is a Duke Grad but defers to her intellect.

Alas, I was destined for a state school. A good one but it fit me better. No genius here.

Ever in the Sunshine State and want to see the real Florida PM me. I’ll give you some ideas. So few people ever see the natural beauty of the system. Just theme parks and beaches.

Have a great night.




DFW

(54,405 posts)
30. I'm rarely in Florida--all the more reason to take your offer seriously
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 02:10 AM
Jul 2020

So, if I make it down there again some day, count on a PM!

When the elder one was named valedictorian, we had a chuckle at her "who? ME?" surprise. We knew she was smart, but the German school system never recognized it, and never encouraged her. They have a Darwinian system of weeding out the non "go-getters," and at the time she was shy in school. No one except us had ever told her she was smart and capable, and what 17 year old believes their parents?

Neither of my daughters were Ivy League, actually. But it ended up not mattering. The younger one wanted to go to law school in the USA, but didn't know enough of the fancy words on the LSAT to get a high score. That's all American law schools look at, apparently, so she ended up at Pace Law in White Plains, NY. She graduated Magna, although Pace is considered a "second tier" law school. But that didn't stop her from becoming the youngest partner in a big international New York law firm (at age 31!). After her freshman year of law school, instead of clerking for some Supreme Court Justice, she spent her summer with the United Nations War Crimes Tribunal in Sierra Leone in western Africa. Scared the crap outta me and my wife, but we taught our daughters to be fearless, and that they are. She is now in her firm's Frankfurt office, and often is given the task of dressing down interns sent from the States who are recent grads of Harvard Law or Yale Law. They think that because of their fancy diplomas, the world owes them a living. Some of them arrive in Germany with poor English, worse German, and a work ethic that makes them think it's OK to leave the office every day at 4:59 PM after a day of sloppy work and go party. They don't get that this "girl" is a partner because she busted her ass learning and working, and she reminds them that the name of the school on their diploma is not Free Lunch University. She has no problems with the ones that "get it," but that is by no means all of them.

It is 2 AM here, so I will make the rest of the night nice and tranquil, count on it!

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