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Looks like Barr and trump are itching to send troops into blue US cities (Original Post) EleanorR Jul 2020 OP
Idiots can't send in fed troops unless states ask for. Idiots are going to try and break the law to SWBTATTReg Jul 2020 #1
yes, we thought that! See my post below. Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #5
Just who is he sending and is it constitutional?...more bullshit distraction? Thomas Hurt Jul 2020 #2
😂 Fat Himmler. dewsgirl Jul 2020 #23
His distractions have to keep getting BIGGER! leftieNanner Jul 2020 #3
States need to file emergency lawsuits ASAP to thwart this violation of states' rights and save onetexan Jul 2020 #45
already happening in Portland Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #4
Thanks. I wonder if the local authorities are pleased w/ this, and if not, will they arrest these SWBTATTReg Jul 2020 #6
there's plenty of news coverage. Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #8
from local newspaper Willamette Week several days ago Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #10
The Downton Portland scenario has been happening for many weeks now. CentralMass Jul 2020 #13
Do you live in Portland? Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #25
Beaverton. Btw, I in no way support tRump or his actions. CentralMass Jul 2020 #31
From what I see, it's the people living in the BURBS who are most afraid of the unrest. Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #38
He wants to post federal snipers on federally owned rooftops, no skin off my nose.. Volaris Jul 2020 #16
He's using the MONUMENTS to gain entry into local law enforcement scnarios. Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #24
Yes, and if they're not federal monuments, the feds have no business caring about them. Volaris Jul 2020 #36
another stunt to show he's the law & order president. Damn sick idiot. onetexan Jul 2020 #44
read it and weep Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #7
Ugh, the Trash commenting on that article sickens me dustyscamp Jul 2020 #14
These states are run by the duly elected representatives of the people. Zoonart Jul 2020 #9
Republicans don't do that Constitution crap uponit7771 Jul 2020 #18
That DayGlo pic is hard on the eyeballs and yet very fitting. chowder66 Jul 2020 #11
That's one way to provoke a civil war, I guess DFW Jul 2020 #12
Looks like in Missouri Barr is sending in the FBI, U.S. Marshal Service, DEA and ATF EleanorR Jul 2020 #20
Do local civil authorties want, or even KNOW about this influx? nt Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #29
Today's episode of "Law & Order Presidential Theater"... highplainsdem Jul 2020 #15
I LITERALLY SAID EARLIER THIS WEEK HE WOULD DO THIS!!!! uponit7771 Jul 2020 #17
Well originally they were sending the National Guard to take over hospital reporting soothsayer Jul 2020 #19
Interestingly the last time the Insurrection Act was invoked was 1992, by Bill Barr EleanorR Jul 2020 #21
So... who has the ability to stop this? soothsayer Jul 2020 #22
fuck Trump and his goons SiliconValley_Dem Jul 2020 #26
He wants to shift the news to law and order and run on that. jalan48 Jul 2020 #27
Uh...what violence? Seattle is quiet in any way addressable by soldiers. nolabear Jul 2020 #28
I was wondering the same thing. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #32
The NY Subway? I thought they were disinfecting it every day. nolabear Jul 2020 #33
Dunno, she just said that robberies and physical assaults HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #34
Yes, he is lying through his teeth to justify whatever it is he and Barr have planned nt EleanorR Jul 2020 #35
It's the narrative Trump's idiot followers believe. Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #40
SNIPERS? People will literally have guns aimed at them in cities? nolabear Jul 2020 #30
*crackle* Calling Jade Helm conspiracy theorists, calling Jade Helm conspiracy theorists, over. Efilroft Sul Jul 2020 #37
Damn! The thought bubble on that corrupt walrus ("Yeeeees my pet...") nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2020 #39
Bumping this because it looks like they're not going to stop at Portland EleanorR Jul 2020 #41
K&R UTUSN Jul 2020 #42
The Erik Prince Militia? spanone Jul 2020 #43
Maybe one will join us someday? pwb Jul 2020 #46

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
1. Idiots can't send in fed troops unless states ask for. Idiots are going to try and break the law to
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:40 PM
Jul 2020

do something so it'll help dumkoff's reelection efforts.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
2. Just who is he sending and is it constitutional?...more bullshit distraction?
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:41 PM
Jul 2020

Fat Himmler at heel is a nice touch.

leftieNanner

(15,121 posts)
3. His distractions have to keep getting BIGGER!
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:41 PM
Jul 2020

"I know an old woman who swallowed a horse....."
(old camp song)

This is beyond unconstitutional!

onetexan

(13,043 posts)
45. States need to file emergency lawsuits ASAP to thwart this violation of states' rights and save
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 10:32 AM
Jul 2020

citizens' lives. The idiot is starting an unprovoked war against the US' own citizens. OMG.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
4. already happening in Portland
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jul 2020

Federal officers from various agencies have been sent to Portland. Snipers. Border Patrol elites. DHS. They are operating unilaterally without coordination of local police. They are using tear gas and weapons not allowed by local police. A peaceful protester was seriously wounded Saturday night.

Other cities better take notice. He's avoiding the Posse Comitatus Act by claiming the troops are there to guard federal property under the new executive order he signed.

RED ALERT RED ALERT.

Terrifying.

I will post the news coverage here in just a minute.

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
6. Thanks. I wonder if the local authorities are pleased w/ this, and if not, will they arrest these
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:45 PM
Jul 2020

feds for acting not acting on per state request?

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
8. there's plenty of news coverage.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jul 2020

The governor was not consulted or notified.

The U.S. Senators were not notified.

The troops are acting unilaterally, not under coordination with local law enforcement.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
10. from local newspaper Willamette Week several days ago
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:54 PM
Jul 2020

President Donald Trump today congratulated the head of the Department of Homeland Security for quelling protests against police violence in Portland. Trump confirmed reports that he sent federal officers to crack down on property destruction at the federal courthouse, because "the locals couldn't handle it."
The president brought up Portland at a meeting of military commanders in Doral, Fla., to discuss drug trafficking. His remarks were posted by the White House and reported this afternoon by Oregon Public Broadcasting.
For six weeks, a nightly uprising against racism and killings by police has marched through the streets of Portland, with protesters typically converging at downtown courthouses. On some nights, protesters have sprayed graffiti and set fires at or near those buildings, including the Mark O. Hatfield federal courthouse.
Trump deployed Homeland Security officers to Portland on July 2, as part of an executive order to protect national monuments. Homeland Security, which typically focuses on securing the border and preventing terrorist attacks, has monitored left-wing protests in Portland since at least 2017.
The president implied Portland police were hamstrung by the city's liberal elected officials from stopping property destruction. "Local law enforcement has been told not to do too much," Trump said. "It's not the way it's supposed to be, but that's OK."
He described Portland's protesters as "a pretty wild group."

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
13. The Downton Portland scenario has been happening for many weeks now.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:57 PM
Jul 2020

Peaceful protest start and finish peacefully and as a the night winds down a handful of violent protesters provoke a reaction.
Downtown Portland is a mess. Boarded up buildings that have looted or damaged. Millolions in damages. The instigators kick things off by throwing objects at the police etc. The organizers of the protest don't condone or support these rioters. We have had the covid-19 shutdown that provided a window for this but it can't go on for ever and Portland IMO has come off as not being able to handle it. This was tailor made for tRump.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
25. Do you live in Portland?
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:35 PM
Jul 2020

I'm a little disgusted by outsiders telling Portland how to manage its city.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
31. Beaverton. Btw, I in no way support tRump or his actions.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:39 PM
Jul 2020

Last edited Wed Jul 15, 2020, 05:06 PM - Edit history (4)

Here is a related article from kgw8.
There is a video in the article that I've linked separately below. It shows the incident where the protester gets shot in the head with the "nonlethal round". Other then tossing a tear gas canister that landed near him a few feet in front of himself it is pretty clear that he did nothing to provoke being shot.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/who-are-these-federal-officers-sent-to-portland-to-deal-with-protesters/283-b2c3b375-cd6a-4e8a-b2c3-25cbbb911335


https://kgw.com/embeds/video/283-f8f60337-ad92-48f3-aea0-e5b26da25c46/iframe?jwsource=cl

However this cycle has gone on for many weeks with Portland Police. From watching hours of late coverage I am of the opinion that tla small number of protestors push things into illegal assembly territory and then the police respond after warning that it is an illegal assembly and that they are going to respond. I saw overhead footage of projectile being thrown over the fence at police etc.



Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
38. From what I see, it's the people living in the BURBS who are most afraid of the unrest.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 05:30 PM
Jul 2020

I keep telling people in Beaverton and Milwaukie and even Woodstock and Laurelhurst that the protesters have no interesting in pillaging their assets.

And yet they keep screaming.

My cousin, retired Honolulu PD, begged Trump on FB to come and rescue Portland.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
16. He wants to post federal snipers on federally owned rooftops, no skin off my nose..
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jul 2020

His federal buildings to guard, his prerogative, and as long as those peeps are not helping local law enforcement enforce local law, fine by me..they can pull a paycheck for suffering in the hot summer for days on end.
But if some minority jaywalker a half mile away ends up with a hole in their head, he's gonna have a lot to answer for.

Yeah, i know it's a bullshit order, meant to provoke a response. Let's not give em one unless its NECESSARY.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
24. He's using the MONUMENTS to gain entry into local law enforcement scnarios.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:34 PM
Jul 2020

It's an end run around Posse Comitatus.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
36. Yes, and if they're not federal monuments, the feds have no business caring about them.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:48 PM
Jul 2020

Which is why I said it's a bullshit order. It's also something he SHOULD get impeached for, but as far as the republican senate is concerned, the Rubicon is just the stream that Ceasers horse pissed in on it's way back to Rome.

Yes, it's a problem. But it's not THE PROBLEM when theres 137000 dead Americans that didnt have to be.

Zoonart

(11,869 posts)
9. These states are run by the duly elected representatives of the people.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:51 PM
Jul 2020

This is unconstitutional and he is declaring that Democrats ("Liberal left-wing Democrats&quot are the enemy of the Republic.
We are NOT a Federalist Society, we are citizens of the UNITED States

.. HE MUST GO TODAY -RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DFW

(54,404 posts)
12. That's one way to provoke a civil war, I guess
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jul 2020

I hope we don't get that far, or if we do, that the armed forces don't fall for it. Lacking a foreign invasion, our armed forces are not supposed to fight on US soil.

Of course, Trump, himself, could be considered a foreign invasion if all Mueller's evidence were made public......

EleanorR

(2,393 posts)
20. Looks like in Missouri Barr is sending in the FBI, U.S. Marshal Service, DEA and ATF
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:03 PM
Jul 2020

Supposedly this is to help supplement local police.

Of course in DC we don't really know who the armed forces were that attacked the peaceful protesters.

And yeah peacefully protesting will now earn you federal charges under Barr.

 

SiliconValley_Dem

(1,656 posts)
26. fuck Trump and his goons
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:35 PM
Jul 2020

he will pay a heavy charge rice if he dares send troops not invited by governors into those cities

nolabear

(41,986 posts)
28. Uh...what violence? Seattle is quiet in any way addressable by soldiers.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:36 PM
Jul 2020

There are no violent protests, the Chop is disassembled, people are trying to figure out the bureaucratic next steps.

There have been a couple of terrible shootings of police recently but they are not in any way organized and not in Seattle but surrounding areas.

I think he just says things. Lots of things.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
32. I was wondering the same thing.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:39 PM
Jul 2020

It feels to me that things went pretty much back to normal after the weeks of protest - although I did just talk to my friend (a NYPD Lieutenant) who said the subway is a war zone right now.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
34. Dunno, she just said that robberies and physical assaults
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:47 PM
Jul 2020

were way up in number from where they usually are. One of the cops in her precinct was robbed on her way home after her shift.

40. It's the narrative Trump's idiot followers believe.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 05:43 PM
Jul 2020

Fox News tells them nightly that hordes of brown people are taking over America’s cities and are trying to rewrite history through vandalism to complete a Communist takeover. That’s why they need to have their guns ready, which Democratic leaders are trying to take away to leave them helpless when the Antifa comrades leave the cities and invade the white suburbs.

Years of Fascistic rhetoric has scrambled their brains.

Efilroft Sul

(3,579 posts)
37. *crackle* Calling Jade Helm conspiracy theorists, calling Jade Helm conspiracy theorists, over.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:52 PM
Jul 2020

Those freaks will be the first to celebrate such a move by Trump, because presidential skin color.

EleanorR

(2,393 posts)
41. Bumping this because it looks like they're not going to stop at Portland
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 09:57 AM
Jul 2020

Trump has been talking for years about how the feds will need to "go into cities." First it was about the homeless problem in California and then crime in NY. This has always been the plan.

pwb

(11,276 posts)
46. Maybe one will join us someday?
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 10:32 AM
Jul 2020

And spill the beans. People should not be grabbed. Grab not least thee be grabbed.

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