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(22,133 posts)do something so it'll help dumkoff's reelection efforts.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Fat Himmler at heel is a nice touch.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)leftieNanner
(15,121 posts)"I know an old woman who swallowed a horse....."
(old camp song)
This is beyond unconstitutional!
onetexan
(13,043 posts)citizens' lives. The idiot is starting an unprovoked war against the US' own citizens. OMG.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Federal officers from various agencies have been sent to Portland. Snipers. Border Patrol elites. DHS. They are operating unilaterally without coordination of local police. They are using tear gas and weapons not allowed by local police. A peaceful protester was seriously wounded Saturday night.
Other cities better take notice. He's avoiding the Posse Comitatus Act by claiming the troops are there to guard federal property under the new executive order he signed.
RED ALERT RED ALERT.
Terrifying.
I will post the news coverage here in just a minute.
SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)feds for acting not acting on per state request?
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)The governor was not consulted or notified.
The U.S. Senators were not notified.
The troops are acting unilaterally, not under coordination with local law enforcement.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)President Donald Trump today congratulated the head of the Department of Homeland Security for quelling protests against police violence in Portland. Trump confirmed reports that he sent federal officers to crack down on property destruction at the federal courthouse, because "the locals couldn't handle it."
The president brought up Portland at a meeting of military commanders in Doral, Fla., to discuss drug trafficking. His remarks were posted by the White House and reported this afternoon by Oregon Public Broadcasting.
For six weeks, a nightly uprising against racism and killings by police has marched through the streets of Portland, with protesters typically converging at downtown courthouses. On some nights, protesters have sprayed graffiti and set fires at or near those buildings, including the Mark O. Hatfield federal courthouse.
Trump deployed Homeland Security officers to Portland on July 2, as part of an executive order to protect national monuments. Homeland Security, which typically focuses on securing the border and preventing terrorist attacks, has monitored left-wing protests in Portland since at least 2017.
The president implied Portland police were hamstrung by the city's liberal elected officials from stopping property destruction. "Local law enforcement has been told not to do too much," Trump said. "It's not the way it's supposed to be, but that's OK."
He described Portland's protesters as "a pretty wild group."
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Peaceful protest start and finish peacefully and as a the night winds down a handful of violent protesters provoke a reaction.
Downtown Portland is a mess. Boarded up buildings that have looted or damaged. Millolions in damages. The instigators kick things off by throwing objects at the police etc. The organizers of the protest don't condone or support these rioters. We have had the covid-19 shutdown that provided a window for this but it can't go on for ever and Portland IMO has come off as not being able to handle it. This was tailor made for tRump.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)I'm a little disgusted by outsiders telling Portland how to manage its city.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 15, 2020, 05:06 PM - Edit history (4)
Here is a related article from kgw8.
There is a video in the article that I've linked separately below. It shows the incident where the protester gets shot in the head with the "nonlethal round". Other then tossing a tear gas canister that landed near him a few feet in front of himself it is pretty clear that he did nothing to provoke being shot.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/who-are-these-federal-officers-sent-to-portland-to-deal-with-protesters/283-b2c3b375-cd6a-4e8a-b2c3-25cbbb911335
https://kgw.com/embeds/video/283-f8f60337-ad92-48f3-aea0-e5b26da25c46/iframe?jwsource=cl
However this cycle has gone on for many weeks with Portland Police. From watching hours of late coverage I am of the opinion that tla small number of protestors push things into illegal assembly territory and then the police respond after warning that it is an illegal assembly and that they are going to respond. I saw overhead footage of projectile being thrown over the fence at police etc.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)I keep telling people in Beaverton and Milwaukie and even Woodstock and Laurelhurst that the protesters have no interesting in pillaging their assets.
And yet they keep screaming.
My cousin, retired Honolulu PD, begged Trump on FB to come and rescue Portland.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)His federal buildings to guard, his prerogative, and as long as those peeps are not helping local law enforcement enforce local law, fine by me..they can pull a paycheck for suffering in the hot summer for days on end.
But if some minority jaywalker a half mile away ends up with a hole in their head, he's gonna have a lot to answer for.
Yeah, i know it's a bullshit order, meant to provoke a response. Let's not give em one unless its NECESSARY.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)It's an end run around Posse Comitatus.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)Which is why I said it's a bullshit order. It's also something he SHOULD get impeached for, but as far as the republican senate is concerned, the Rubicon is just the stream that Ceasers horse pissed in on it's way back to Rome.
Yes, it's a problem. But it's not THE PROBLEM when theres 137000 dead Americans that didnt have to be.
onetexan
(13,043 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)Zoonart
(11,869 posts)This is unconstitutional and he is declaring that Democrats ("Liberal left-wing Democrats" are the enemy of the Republic.
We are NOT a Federalist Society, we are citizens of the UNITED States
.. HE MUST GO TODAY -RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)chowder66
(9,073 posts)DFW
(54,404 posts)I hope we don't get that far, or if we do, that the armed forces don't fall for it. Lacking a foreign invasion, our armed forces are not supposed to fight on US soil.
Of course, Trump, himself, could be considered a foreign invasion if all Mueller's evidence were made public......
EleanorR
(2,393 posts)Supposedly this is to help supplement local police.
Of course in DC we don't really know who the armed forces were that attacked the peaceful protesters.
And yeah peacefully protesting will now earn you federal charges under Barr.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)highplainsdem
(49,001 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)EleanorR
(2,393 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)he will pay a heavy charge rice if he dares send troops not invited by governors into those cities
jalan48
(13,870 posts)nolabear
(41,986 posts)There are no violent protests, the Chop is disassembled, people are trying to figure out the bureaucratic next steps.
There have been a couple of terrible shootings of police recently but they are not in any way organized and not in Seattle but surrounding areas.
I think he just says things. Lots of things.
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)It feels to me that things went pretty much back to normal after the weeks of protest - although I did just talk to my friend (a NYPD Lieutenant) who said the subway is a war zone right now.
nolabear
(41,986 posts)Does the war stop for disinfecting?
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)were way up in number from where they usually are. One of the cops in her precinct was robbed on her way home after her shift.
EleanorR
(2,393 posts)Sophia_Of_PlanetX
(73 posts)Fox News tells them nightly that hordes of brown people are taking over Americas cities and are trying to rewrite history through vandalism to complete a Communist takeover. Thats why they need to have their guns ready, which Democratic leaders are trying to take away to leave them helpless when the Antifa comrades leave the cities and invade the white suburbs.
Years of Fascistic rhetoric has scrambled their brains.
nolabear
(41,986 posts)Oh HELL no!
Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)Those freaks will be the first to celebrate such a move by Trump, because presidential skin color.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)EleanorR
(2,393 posts)Trump has been talking for years about how the feds will need to "go into cities." First it was about the homeless problem in California and then crime in NY. This has always been the plan.
spanone
(135,844 posts)pwb
(11,276 posts)And spill the beans. People should not be grabbed. Grab not least thee be grabbed.