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fleur-de-lisa

(14,628 posts)
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:04 PM Jul 2020

Maybe an explanation of why the stock market keeps rising, inexpicably, during a pandemic?

The Mysterious LOLGOP @LOLGOP

We gave average Americans $1200 and gave the stock market like $2,000,000,000,000, in case you're wondering what's going on.


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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
1. The stock market isn't the economy.
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jul 2020

Investors are buying into the stock market only because other investments (bonds in particular) suck so much right now.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. Isn't Nasdaq mostly tech-based stocks?
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:11 PM
Jul 2020

Kinda makes sense a lot of tech companies would do well, frankly, for a number of reasons.

SpankMe

(2,963 posts)
4. This just goes to show you...
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:11 PM
Jul 2020

Business is capable of adapting to almost any economic reality. We can properly regulate them for consumer protection, for the environment and for worker equity and they'll come out just fine.

The next time they cry that they'll go down the tubes if we require them to put scrubbers on their smoke stacks, we'll just point to how well their stock did when we were in a pandemic and no one was buying anything.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
5. It's simply a casino now, based on wishes and dreams. And...........
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:12 PM
Jul 2020

....the person juicing it with federal money is the person who bankrupted his own casinos.

erronis

(15,324 posts)
7. Unfortunately the stock market is wired to minutely delivered market analyses and
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:34 PM
Jul 2020

less to quarterly/annual reports which also don't take into account long-term health of the company or sector.

It's all bottom line. Will investors be able to maximize return-on-investment in very short-terms. These terms used to be measured in multiple years. Now they are down to months, days, hours, and micro-seconds.

There's very little broad picture analysis going on that is reflected in the gains/losers.

Bonds tend to be a bit more stable but are hard to read because of the trade-off from the equity markets. Futures? fuggetaboutit.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
10. High Frequency Traders, Large Speculators, sheep shearers, [they don't seem have their own index],
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:48 PM
Jul 2020

Hedge Funds.

These are the groups that are big market movers.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
9. On a more basic level, a majority of voters are optimistic about next year.
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:43 PM
Jul 2020

A remarkable 95% of republicons think trump has done well on the economy.

'How Americans Feel About the Country Right Now: Anxious. Hopeful.
Exhausted and angry as they face a series of crises, many voters nevertheless remain optimistic about the future, a poll shows, viewing this moment as a chance for progress'. - NYT

A number of investors may feel buy and hold has worked all right [as of now]. And, the markets have been juiced upwards by Large Speculators who see small investors continue to contribute to their stock funds, etc., and fed market interventions [buying Walmart etc. bonds to support private lenders]. So the market has a robust bounce up from 30% losses, encouraging more market buying.

Not necessarily a time for complacency. From a sophisticated market watcher, deeper than 'the public' is likely to see.
'Market worrying about a phenomenon much worse than stagflation?
'Treasury Market Smells a Rat: Steepest Yield Curve Since 2017 Despite QE'
by Wolf Richter • Jun 4, 2020 • 141 Comments ventures.'


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