While we are all laughing/crying at the latest trump foibles, The Supreme Court just....

[IowaGuy]

broke down the barriers between church and state. Now tax dollars can be used to fund church schools. I'm assuming that also includes Satanic churches, Wiccan churches, Madrases, Jewish school, etc. Pretty clear the wingers haven't really thought through the ramifications of this.

[lastlib]

1. (Operative word there is "thought"......)

When thought is called for, they throw up their hand and pray to baby jesus, and let that substitute, call it a day.

I want some scholarship money for the Holy Church of the Head-hunters.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. I want to watch when the first non-Christian school applies for government money.

The decision didn't say government money could fund churches, only that it could be used for private religious schools to the same extent as private secular schools. I don't agree with it, but it doesn't go as far as allowing the funding of churches.

[IowaGuy]

6. You are correct, but let's face it...

the schools are used to nidoctrinate the students into their theology. LGBTQ kids will be forced into "conversion therapy", etc.
This is going to turn into a cluster fuck.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Yes and no.

Just about everybody I know who went to Catholic schools as kids are now rabidly anti-religion, and specifically anti-Catholic. The indoctrination doesn't always take and sometimes works in the opposite direction.

[lagomorph777]

14. Yup - I could only take a year of indoctrination; my older brothers both went all the way through.

All three of us are atheists.

[shockey80]

23. This is true, I was brought up Catholic, went to a Catholic school when I was young.

Even when I was very young I thought it was bullshit. When I became a teenager, I rebelled.

[FarPoint]

11. Excellent point...

I hope it's real soon from many various factions.

[StarfishSaver]

20. Exactly.

When the madrasas and yeshivas start demanding their money, it will be a different conversation.

[DURHAM D]

3. Time to organize people without children or grand children

to boycott payment of property taxes.

[Phoenix61]

4. What are you citing? This is all I could find.

"A state need not subsidize private education. But once a state decides to do so, it cannot disqualify some private schools solely because they are religious," Roberts said.
Looks like an easy fix. Stop funding all private education.

[IowaGuy]

7. That horse has left the barn...

[IowaGuy]

10. I have edited my post to clarify "church schools". Thank you for pointing that out.

[Cirque du So-What]

5. There will be an 'approved' list

that will preclude funding ‘unacceptable’ religions, at which point another can of constitutional worms is opened.

[ismnotwasm]

9. The Church of Satan does good works

And occasionally brings about excellent lawsuits.

[Coleman]

12. We shouldn't be paying for any private school

If you take government money, then you have to play by government rules. Private (Religious) schools cannot discriminate on race, sex, gender identity, sex preference, religion ... The Constitution and state constitutions follow the money.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. I agree. Sending a kid to a private school is the parent's choice

and taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill. That money should be spent on improving the public schools instead.

[crickets]

18. +1000000

[Ms. Toad]

17. I agree. That is my big issue with schools -

Not that, once we've chosen to allow public money to fund private schools, both secular and non-secular are eligible.

Public money should be used to fund public schools, not to undercut them by giving those with the resources the means to move to private schools and further diminish the public schools.

[Dustlawyer]

13. We are watching our Democracy die. If we fail to win the WH, the Senate, and keep

the House we are lost!

[Ms. Toad]

16. You are aware that they already do, right?

This is not a new phenonemon. Cities have bought non-sectarian books for religious schools since the 30s, bussed children to Catholic schools since the 40s, given tax credits to parents who sent their children to religious schools since the 70s, provided auxiliry services to religious schools paid for with state funds since the 70s, allowed public "school choice" funds to be spent in religious schools.

This decision essentially addressed the last. States don't have to allow public money to go to private schools. BUT- if - the state chooses to fund private schools - it may not restrict those funds solely because the entity is religious.

It was an extremely predictable result based decades of law that strikes a balance between establishing religion and being antagonistic to religion.

[ProfessorGAC]

19. Seems Like A Simple Fix

Don't allow state funds to any private educational entity.
Exempt by age, so daycare under 4 isn't considered educational. Lower income families then don't lose the daycare assistance they get now. (In some states, anyway)
I'm not supportive of tax money going to private schools anyway.
Then, the state, like Montana, are off the hook. Spend those funds on the public schools.

[Ms. Toad]

22. I agree as to the fix.

As someone who is a strong advocate of public schools (I taught in an inner city school for 11 years), I am adamantly opposed to public money going to private schools. Some of it is too late to reverse (bussing, provision of textbooks and auxiliary services), unless we're willing to allow Roe v. Wade to be reversed (the stare decesis that created yesterday's decision would mandate the same for all of those earlier funding decisions.

But yes, this particular problem has an easy fix.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

24. All the "vouchers" and other schemes by GOP are just to raid public funds

GOP hates public education because educated voters don't vote for GOP. They've devised various schemes over the years to defund public schools and divert public funds to organizations which indoctrinate children with authoritarianism and anti-science.

[ProfessorGAC]

27. Blue States Should Ban It

Any private or for profit school has to be self-sustaining. No tax dollars.
BTW: Every school I went to, first grade to PhD were private. But, I don't think any of them should get tax dollars, except...
Temporary measures as in cases like Title IX to facilitate and accelerate that diversity.
After x years, that's it. Enough time to fund their own diversity, then nothing.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. I don't think this case is as big a deal as it's being made out to be.

The better solution is for states not to fund any private schools. If they are going to have to fund all of them, religious or otherwise, they'd better be ready to kick in a few bucks for madrassas and ashrams and yeshivas and any other school with a religious foundation. Let's see how that plays out.

[Ms. Toad]

26. It's essentially the same as the line of cases about use of school buildings after hours.

You don't have to open schools up for community use after hours. BUT if you do, you can't exclude religious entities from using the rooms.

[spanone]

21. I'm sure they will have a carve out where the money only goes to white 'christian' schools