Until They Say Wear A Face Mask In Public Or Go To Jail It Is All Hogwash - Sorry Folks

[DanieRains]

Face Masks = Work.

The rest is a distraction.

The hair dressers in Missouri cut 180 people's hair while infected, and no one got the virus.

Because they HAD TO WEAR FACE MASKS.

It isn't rocket surgery.

It sucks, but I wear a face mask whenever I am within 6 feet of non family members. I haven't infected anyone I am sure. I wish the rest could say that. If they could, the virus would be GONE by now.

It's not rocket surgery.

[uponit7771]

1. THIS !!!! "Suggesting" MAGA Cultist wear mask doesn't help at all. Making them wear mask or no ...

... service or a big as ticket works

[Hortensis]

2. Well, actually fines work fine on by far most people. nt

[agingdem]

3. hefty fines or jail time..

and no "social distancing"...

[Hortensis]

7. I don't remember the amounts I read one city was imposing

but I was a little startled. It'd definitely make me cringe to realize I left home without a mask, even first offense. (New ones always in my purse and in both vehicles).

As for throwing people in jail, that works so well for casual pot smokers and people driving while black, doesn't it? No to jailing people for punitive satisfaction. We're not damned Republicans, after all. It has to be for a genuinely constructive purpose when lesser actions fail -- like identified superspreaders found breaking mandated quarantine.

[agingdem]

13. I still want jail time

I'm 72..if those idiots refuse to wear masks and "get it and give it" they're killing me...that's murder...jail time...this isn't about pot smokers or driving while black...

[Hortensis]

14. Uhuh. Since we blocked Trump from rounding up

100,000 Hispanics in detention camps in the desert, those particular areas of dirt are vacant, so maybe they could be shipped there. Perhaps we could sell it to Trump as a captive audience of the size he's always dreamed of.

But still, let's see how fines do first.

[agingdem]

20. I live El Paso a border town...

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we are part of Texas and a part from Texas...we don't think Hispanic...we think friends, neighbors, teachers, doctors, lawyers, husbands, wives, children, grandchildren...I see desperate families coming from Mexico everyday...covid 19 doesn't discriminate...yes I know the black and hispanic communities have been hit the hardest..however, my retired military next door neighbor is in a hospital bed sucking air through a ventilator...he's white...my friend's 92 year old father contracted covid from a care giver and he died three days after becoming symptomatic..he was black...his 88 year old wife is dying in a nursing home because of covid...she's asian American...this plague doesn't give a damn about skin color or ethniticity ...and the morons who refuse to wear masks are "killing" us indiscriminately..mind-boggling fines the first offense...jail the next...

[Hortensis]

23. I'm sorry about your friends. For sure the virus doesn't

recognize any of the differences some think are so meaningful.

I was in El Paso once. Had the day to kill, Constitution Day in Mexico, so I left my car behind and walked over into Juarez. Taxi drivers wanted to take me to mostly deserted tourist spots instead of the festival areas, so I ditched them and later walked back to the border when it was getting dark. Wouldn't do that today.

We lived in SoCal and often visited and vacationed down there. I could even stumble along in Spanish in those days. Always thought I'd get fluent, but over years of lack of compelling need and disuse it slipped away. Plenty of Spanish speakers around, but you can't try the patience of even good friends until you get significantly better than I was.

Stay well.

[ProfessorGAC]

16. Absolutely

Put people in jail, courts will rule it excessive.
$500 dollar fine for endangering public safety would be hard for courts to see as excessive.
Oh, and $1,000 for each subsequent violation.
People's attitude will change in a hurry.

[Hortensis]

21. :) With a retiree's COVID schedule, I'd choose jail time if I could

over a $500 fine. (Pretending exposure wouldn't be a problem.) I have a lot more free time than money to throw around, and $500 would buy a number of things I'd much rather spend it on.

And I've never been to jail, so it'd be something different. Come to think of it, these days too many bored people might prefer a little paid reality tour to their local jail.

[ProfessorGAC]

31. Or, You Could Wear The Mask

No fine, no jail time.

[LostinRed]

4. Face shields work too

For this that don’t want to wear a mask there is really no excuse. I think if they have health issues they did a permit proving it just like a handicap placard.

[Olafjoy]

5. I see where cultists are calling masks "face diapers"

[Doodley]

8. Their breath must smell of shit. Explains why they don't like them.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Tyranny

[Doodley]

6. When Trump has gone, Dems will need to provide public education on mask to convince Trumpers.

[Hortensis]

15. I suspect the virus will do that. Since masks are more

for protecting the community, though, maybe we should reintroduce conservatives to traditional conservative values.

[Newest Reality]

9. Good point.

Well, I don't see them addressing the sheer, Marxist tyranny of wearing seat belts, stopping at red lights, or driving on only one side of the road. Their specious arguments easily lose ground if challenged appropriately.

Freedom is contextual, consensual and reciprocal in a society. It is contextual as per the crisis we all face and are subject to.

It is consensual in that we have certain understandings and agreements about our obligations in relation to the many variables and particulars surrounding it. It is reciprocal in the sense that our responsibility to act is in direct proportion to how our actions both respect and consider the freedom and well being of our fellow citizens just as we would expect for ourselves.

Without understanding the importance of that civic duty to understand that relationship, the result is tyranny for an individual or a group since they demand their own freedoms regardless of the impact or outcome of their suppositions in general.

In that case, that kind of view and behavior resembles an emotional and intellectual immaturity that resembles an adolescent mindset which many of us grow out of eventually and are able to take on the complexities and obligations of our shared liberty and corresponding obligations.

Ranting away like we see, without any substantial evidence or reason and logic, is another sign of that obviously arrested development that is being displayed.

So, "grow up" might sound condescending or stodgy these days, but that does encapsulate much of the problem, or at least, an important aspect of it.

Also, this can be done with a modicum of intelligence that most people do possess even though many do not develop or exercise that capacity and that's a matter of neglect, apathy and a preference for distractions and entertainments.

[Mr. Ected]

10. Rocket surgery?

I must admit, that one made me laugh out loud.

"If a rocket has surgery in the woods and no one is around, did the Pope shit there?"

[Celerity]

17. ...

[katmondoo]

11. Not one word about wearing a mask. Nada, nothing, Trumps power is now absolute.

Even the pandemic task force said nothing about a face mask, just danced around it. Sickening.

[Hortensis]

18. If Trump's power was absolute, you wouldn't be able to

access the internet and most cable and TV would be down or showed new talking heads who made Fox look like MSNBC in comparison.

You'd know if his people were displeased with doings in your area if the water and power were cut off, the military blocking all routes out, and residents informed anyone stepping outside would be shot on sight. Eventually you'd hear announcements and rumors that our political leaders and major media figures were in prison or had disappeared.

I think we can assume Trump's power is not absolute.

[brooklynite]

19. Tell us, whom will be arresting these law breakers?

[uponit7771]

22. Mask or no service anywhere with exceptions, fuck the Trump admin. We're headed towards 50,000 cases

... day and the federal government is going to do little to mitigate that when they have multiple resources under their belt.

[DanieRains]

26. If Masks In Public Were Required Since March Our Numbers Would Look Like Europe

Where masks are required.

[uponit7771]

28. +1, and it looks like the CDC is admitting young in the US are dying more than in Europe

[cwydro]

30. Lol, perfect question.

Surely not the cops, right?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. Going to jail spreads the virus pretty bad.

[DanieRains]

25. Strong Incentive To Put On A Mask Before Breathing In My Face Ya Think?

Jail = Probably Horrible Death

[WhiskeyGrinder]

27. Extra-judicial consequences, you say? Huh. What about the person in jail for something else,

who comes into contact with the guy who didn't wear a mask?

[DanieRains]

29. Like A Protester I Know

Fear of your own death matters more than fear of killing someone else......

Like a nurse.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

33. A protestor in jail, before they're bailed out, you mean?

The nurse working at the prison? Incarceration is not the answer, especially if you're trying to solve a public health problem.

[chriscan64]

32. Enforcement relies on a public with common sense.

Most people don't run red lights. Whether it's fear of a ticket, public safety or their own, the result is the number of red light runners is small enough for the cops to handle. What we have now is a huge percentage of the population listening to an idiot, and the idiot resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. If he says stopping at red lights is for wimps, good luck driving. That might even be safer than the danger being unleashed now.

[hunter]

34. Mandatory face masks rules seem to be working reasonably well where I live.

Even at WalMart.

If the fierce glares of fellow shoppers don't deter anti-maskers then the bouncers wearing security uniforms will.

"No Mask, No Sale. Leave your cart where it is, we'll show you to the exit."

I did see an exception made at Target. It was an elderly woman who was possibly a little demented because she kept pulling down her mask and talking to no one in particular like it was shopping with imaginary friends day.

Maybe store staff knew her. There's an assisted living apartment complex down the street.

I live in Democratic California.

I know people who live in Trump California who tell me many people there are not wearing masks and many businesses are not enforcing mask rules. Parts of California are as Republican as Oklahoma and Arizona and the infection rates will reflect that.

There's also a small number of people who will rely upon herbs, incense, and crystals to protect themselves, but they are far outnumbered by the Free Dumb Party Trump Republicans.

[pecosbob]

35. Mandatory in Nevada now

Perhaps I can pass on using my splash shield at work this afternoon...no more spitters in my store.

*Spitters - anyone not wearing a mask.

[EllieBC]

36. Wait are we ACAB or not?

I mean they generally do the arresting. So who are we supposed to call?

[Ex Lurker]

37. Just goes to show you

progressives have their authoritarians, too.

[EllieBC]

38. Only when it comes to a virus.

Then they all are about calling the police, snitch lines, and jail time.

Pretty pathetic.