America is beyond f****d now.

[Quemado]

Link to tweet

[dlk]

1. Thank you GOP

[soothsayer]

2. We could whoop this in 100 days

And resume life intelligently

But trump has to go

[exboyfil]

12. Nearly another three months after election

until Biden takes over.

[Squinch]

14. But it will be 6 months before we can start. By that point, all of those things will have happened.

[rsdsharp]

24. Seven

Less four days.

[Squinch]

30. I'm trying to be optimistic.

[Demovictory9]

41. trump has to go taking mcconnell with him

[leftieNanner]

3. It will take an enormous amount of work and determination

to dig our way out of this deep hole.

[soothsayer]

4. But it can be done

[leftieNanner]

5. Yes. It can.

Yes. We can.

[panader0]

15. Yes--which is why I don't subscribe to the "beyond fucked" idea.

We can and we will.

[leftieNanner]

16. Nor do I

No matter how anxious and unhappy all this makes me, I have great hope that we will overcome and come out of it all a stronger nation.

[Kaiserguy]

34. As long as we don't allow the GOP

to hold the Senate or Trump to keep the WH. To defeat this we need to control the Government otherwise the GOP will sabotage any attempt to undo the damage they have caused. In 2022 they will use the fact that America is still a mess to try and win control even though they are the one who blocked any attempt to fix the problems.

[Cosmocat]

51. We can't

we lose far more ground than we make up everytime we have R potuses because they run wild and when there is a d potus they unite around obstruction.

And the country relentlessly indulges them.

Their 1/3 never budges, the "middle" 1/3 goes along with their bullshit FAR too long, only turns on them when it gets to next level horribleness, then gets behind them very quickly when they gin up what ever bullshit populism they do to go after Ds.

If Joe wins, even with a majority in congress hes got a year or two before the country gets behind whatever shit Rs throw at the wall, benghazi, emails, whatever, and Rs will get popular support again.

All it took was him and his boss implementing the REPUBLICAN version of healthcare and they took the biggest midterm wipeout in our lives after two years.

[Demovictory9]

42. and cooperation...less divisiveness

[jzodda]

6. I don't subscribe to that idea

As long as we get rid of Trump.

Team Biden will be far more aggressive at the federal level and far better at mobilizing the country for this fight. Its only a few more months we have to hang in there.


Now if Trump wins? Then yeah it could be a very long time to get out of this..

[soothsayer]

8. Exactly

[dutch777]

7. You are right...sadly...I sure hope Biden is up for the job

While some of this is useful, only as a means to expose Trump to anyone with eyes and get him voted out of office, the next President and all the rest of us will have to pick up all the pieces. I don't quite see mass death, but there will be plenty of suffering, some from the disease and lots from the economic fall out. I do believe the country still has the smarts and the resources to rebuild, if we just have capable leadership.

[soothsayer]

9. To me, we already have mass death

I don’t think 20k preventable deaths per month are acceptable in any way, shape, or form, and it’s time we wake up and quit managing to how many beds there are for people to die in.

[DonaldsRump]

10. You don't think 120,000 dead and rising in the US is "mass death"? n/t

[Big Blue Marble]

11. It wil not be Biden alone.

.Good leadership means choosing wise people, I am confident that he will chose well.

[dawg day]

19. Biden is a sensible man. He will hire good professional people who want to do a good job--

We don't need a miracle-worker. We just need competent leadership to get out of this current disaster. And after that, the country will have some time to breathe and regroup. It would be so good to have a few months without a disaster.

[Lonestarblue]

33. Biden is up to the job.

And he will have an army of smart people to help: Elizabeth Warren, Andrew Yang, Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams, impressive Democratic governors and mayors around the country, smart Democrats in Congress, and on and on. Biden is not afraid of hiring smart people who know how to get things done. And he can call on the contacts he’s made from years in government. Biden will do just fine. He is the right person for the job.

[JI7]

40. What do you consider Mass Death ? over 120 thousand have already died in about 4 months

[dutch777]

54. And if we don't get to 200,000 by end of the year it will be a miracle but...

Every year:

40,000 or so die in car accidents
16,000 or so are murdered (and this only counts when a body is found)
48,000 or so die from suicide (and again, only counted when a body is found)
120,000 or so die from accidents other than car
Not sure if drug overdoses are in accidents or not but that's 68,000

The virus is not the only preventable thing we have failed to adequately address. Is 120,000 and counting virus deaths a substantive number, yes. Is it tragic because it didn't have to be this bad, yes. Is it Mass Death...I don't know at what point the number of dead becomes Mass Death. But there is perspective per the above and one could add that of the 650,000 who die annually from heart disease a good percentage of that were preventable as well.

My bottom line, thank God, this is an episodic event, not the year over year of the above numbers. Can we blame Trump? To a larger and larger degree every day, absolutely. But having the right perspective is what I want. And by the way, I'd paint him also with the numbers above and say why the hell didn't he do something about those too?

You are not wrong that the consequences in dead bodies and other physical, psychological and economic suffering is in total, massive or will be. And it is an American tragedy on so many levels. But personally I am not giving up. If we can all stay engaged, take appropriate action where we can or support those who do, we will dig out of this just as we did a couple of world wars, depression, recessions and other pandemics. It's hard to see, but we still have the right stuff.

[roamer65]

13. You all ain't seen nuthin yet.

The world is going to get far worse than u can imagine.

[soothsayer]

18. Oh, ha! I was expecting optimism

Whoopsie

[roamer65]

20. Global climate change is still there.

[SergeStorms]

38. Not when we have...

a solid 30% of Americans who are, literally, too stupid to get out of their own way. They don't have the sense to do what's best for themselves, let alone their fellow Americans. Theirs is the only "liberty" or "freedom" that matters. They have no sense of the collective benefit whatsoever. My hope for the human race decreases daily.

[Cosmocat]

52. yep

nm

[murielm99]

17. I always felt that when trump went too far,

the rest of the world would close ranks against us. I didn't think it would be over a pandemic. But here we are.

[doc03]

21. I hope the EU bans USA torrists, that would

make shitbird's head explode.

[wnylib]

25. How extensive is a European ban

of Americans likely to be? What about Americans who do business with Europe and need to be able to travel there? How much would that affect the US economy now and in the future?

[doc03]

28. I don't know but yesterday it was reported that EU countries were considering

banning American travel.

[Rebl2]

31. Do you blame

them? They are sick of trump like we are and how irresponsible he was and is when it comes to the handling of this pandemic.

[bdamomma]

32. EU countries

are looking out for their citizens, unlike this POS we have.

All roads lead to Putin, this was planned for a very long time. We have a criminal thug taking down our country lets take him down and out of the WH/ Hate House.

[wnylib]

39. Yes, I realize that. It's the reason

why I asked how extensive it would be, e.g. just tourists? Or all Americans. And what would such a ban mean for the US economy if it disrupts US business in Europe.

It would definitely affect the American travel industry, from travel agents to airlines, with a ripple effect on related jobs. That industry and its jobs are already in the tank, but a European travel ban would keep them from recouping, especially if other regions and countries follow Europe's example.

[greenjar_01]

43. All economies have tanked so hard that many might start to simply re-align by policy

What's really the value these days for favoring the US over China? There are not ideological similarities, and most of the "cultural" similarities were simply racial in a way we're moving away from. What is Western Europe's abiding interest in going out of its way to economically couple with the US?

It's over. The post-war settlement is officially dead and buried. We chose out of it, via elections. Now, the Piper is coming to collect the fee.

[a la izquierda]

48. I'm not in the EU at the moment, but the UK. I'm debating extending my trip...

(where just a few days ago I figured cutting it short). My university is forcing us back to work in August, for face to face classes and I just can't do it. I'm safer here (which is saying a lot, as Britain's response has been awful).
But...I'm in the process of applying for a student visa for Fall term to attend law school and I've been assured it will be fine, I'll be allowed in. Now there isn't a ban yet by the EU, and the UK is now separate. But I don't think it's going to be a blanket ban. Essential business and all that. I don't really know if I believe it, but I'm planning to go back to the States, get my shit together, and as soon as my passport is back in hand, I'm out of there. Hopefully for good.

[doc03]

53. A friend was telling me yesterday that one of

her family went to South Korea last week. He has to stay in quartene for 14 days or face a massive fine. He says every place you go they take your temperature and you have to wear a mask. That's why they have a couple hundred deaths and we 123000.

[mahina]

26. Thanks

Agreed

[marble falls]

27. I agree. We're at the precipice, we're not in it.

[marie999]

23. Obama had a great recession to get us out of and see how long it took for us to recover.

I know Obama will help Biden any way he can, but a great recession and a pandemic, yes we will still have a pandemic, at the same time will take years to recover. But we will recover. Of that I am certain.

[greenjar_01]

44. The Great Recession was caused by Bush

[marie999]

50. I know that.

President Obama inherited it.

[Rebl2]

29. Thanks trump

for all the winning—not

[infullview]

35. The only way to right this listing vessel is with a new captain.

[superpatriotman]

36. So a tweet?

And we’re fucked?

As Obama would say “C’mon!”

[egduj]

37. Nah, we'll be fine.

[Renew Deal]

45. Things are never as good or as bad as they seem

The future is a long time. This is a short part of it.

[a la izquierda]

49. Spoken like a historian

[fleabiscuit]

46. On a positive note...

That tweet should make a decent advertisement for Joe Biden. Assuming he still wants the job.

Trump is at the Marie Antoinette stage of governing. That didn't end well for her.

[electric_blue68]

47. No doubt these are terrifying times and...

... there are still a lot of caring, smart, inventive, brave Americans that will do what they can alone /or together to change things around.

We've done it before under other horrific times, even if these are pretty up there imho.