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highplainsdem

(49,029 posts)
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:29 AM Jun 2020

Tweets from Dan Rather and Laurence Tribe, minutes ago, warning us what Trump is up to





In 2016, Pres. Trump claimed voter fraud to explain his loss in the popular vote. It was a lie. Now, with horrible polling, he's trying to delegitimize the vote - through suppression and more lies about voting by mail. This is a big story. Put all his allies on the record.









WARNING: Trump is telling us that he’ll refuse to accept a loss this November as legitimate. We need to believe him and prepare to fight back if we’re to preserve our democracy.






I posted an OP earlier about Howard Fineman's warning today

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213635021

and my reply 6 there is about the warning today from Brian Klaas.






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Tweets from Dan Rather and Laurence Tribe, minutes ago, warning us what Trump is up to (Original Post) highplainsdem Jun 2020 OP
Yup. Newest Reality Jun 2020 #1
It's going to be very ugly. wnylib Jun 2020 #71
He's freaking out as everything he does destroys the country, and kills people. Lock him up. Jun 2020 #82
How confident are you that the wnylib Jun 2020 #84
Fuck the Con malaise Jun 2020 #2
He is a coward but his boss isn't rufus dog Jun 2020 #13
Putin will hand him the gascans. wnylib Jun 2020 #72
If he and his minions say "I'm not leaving" I and 5,000,000 people will be outside the WH SoonerPride Jun 2020 #3
And we can all scream "shame" luv2fly Jun 2020 #39
dems can get republican senators to drop him before that certainot Jun 2020 #65
Can I have a ride to DC? I'm in Norman. I'll pay for the gas. Tess49 Jun 2020 #67
I don't accept he is legitimate now duforsure Jun 2020 #4
Very important warnings... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #5
Kick dalton99a Jun 2020 #6
K&R. ooky Jun 2020 #7
"This is a big story" Mike 03 Jun 2020 #8
I am more worried about what to do when he "wins" Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2020 #10
No. Republican governors would wnylib Jun 2020 #73
What about tinkering with the electors? alfredo Jun 2020 #85
For sure, tinkering with electors wnylib Jun 2020 #86
We need international observers alfredo Jun 2020 #88
The Fineman warning you posted earlier about what trumpy's plan is, bears repeating. FM123 Jun 2020 #9
forgot covid Locrian Jun 2020 #18
And remember, in 1876 Bettie Jun 2020 #32
Treason barr will comply along with . . . Iliyah Jun 2020 #11
"IT WILL BE THE SCANDAL OF OUR TIMES!" 2016 was the scandal of our times. usaf-vet Jun 2020 #12
Trump can't leave. He must control DOJ because of his criminality. johnthewoodworker Jun 2020 #14
⭐️K&R⭐️ spanone Jun 2020 #15
We've been warned. Years ago. ancianita Jun 2020 #16
I'm worried tRumpie will tell his base to get their guns and protect him KS Toronado Jun 2020 #17
If it comes down to civil war, so be it. I'm ready. not_the_one Jun 2020 #20
Nut they have more ammo. wnylib Jun 2020 #75
I believe we should consider this as a real possibility. hadEnuf Jun 2020 #31
This is my main concern about this election. wnylib Jun 2020 #74
HE IS THE ONE WHOS CHEATING!!! blakstoneranger Jun 2020 #19
We keep being warned. We can't say we didn't warn everyone else in 2016. ancianita Jun 2020 #21
Yep. He's going after the media like a heat seeking missile. FM123 Jun 2020 #38
Those three controlled international media will lie 2 the world exactly as Putin did about Ukraine. ancianita Jun 2020 #44
Turning off Cell Towers? MomInTheCrowd Jun 2020 #42
That, too. It's not crazy. Govt does that all the time around protesters right now. ancianita Jun 2020 #45
The US govt does that? Or our state govts? JudyM Jun 2020 #58
I've been to two DC protests where all cell tower phone access was shut down. ancianita Jun 2020 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Jun 2020 #77
We have to fight for voting by mail! nature-lover Jun 2020 #22
It's always "and others" with the Maggot. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2020 #23
False Flag Dirtdude Jun 2020 #24
Please proceed. You're not being specific or clear about this. Please run a scenario, how it'd work, ancianita Jun 2020 #33
And Sherman A1 Jun 2020 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Dirtdude Jun 2020 #26
This could be a scenario: merrifield Jun 2020 #27
Sounds very doable. And likely. Thank you. ancianita Jun 2020 #34
You forget one very important thing moose65 Jun 2020 #87
He ALREADY set this in motion in 2016 - do you remember? Mr. Ected Jun 2020 #28
It's projection: trump is revealing part of the plan of GOP + Putin Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2020 #29
My gut is ringing alarm bells. There should be no surprise and I believe we need to start the c-rational Jun 2020 #30
A serious fight can't start in Congress with talking. Getting facts is important, but there have to ancianita Jun 2020 #35
I know they're just tweeting what they've heard, PRETZEL Jun 2020 #36
Are we going to pay attention to these warnings this time? calimary Jun 2020 #37
They'll depend on this. And ambushes from several operations can overwhelm our ability to stop them. ancianita Jun 2020 #48
If he loses the election, there is no way in hell he's walking out on his own... SKKY Jun 2020 #40
Get INVOLVED NOW!!!! MomInTheCrowd Jun 2020 #41
"MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS . . ." LaMouffette Jun 2020 #43
Reaction is defense that never wins. We have to plan a coordinated system that is unhackable, from ancianita Jun 2020 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Mme. Defarge Jun 2020 #57
IF there IS foreign ballots printed it's because bluestarone Jun 2020 #46
Trump did exactly the same thing during the election in which he was elected. Nitram Jun 2020 #47
Let him keep revealing his plans. Better to know so we can be ready to neutralize all his ops. ancianita Jun 2020 #50
Except this is the one time Trump IS NOT lying. AleksS Jun 2020 #51
SO sick of this POS.... dem4evah Jun 2020 #52
THANK YOU!!! Mme. Defarge Jun 2020 #55
There needs to be massive exit polling from numerous organizations. thesquanderer Jun 2020 #53
new Postmaster General just installed, to do Trump's bidding here. nt Grasswire2 Jun 2020 #54
perfect goon Locrian Jun 2020 #70
Like the Rapist He Is, Larry Moecurley Jun 2020 #56
No warnings needed, fight saidsimplesimon Jun 2020 #59
So if you were the Trump campaign, how would you cheat? bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #60
Like always, Trump will make a lot of provocative statements Steelrolled Jun 2020 #61
We need blue state governors to get organized, maybe pull in Jimmy Carter, secure the vote. JudyM Jun 2020 #63
What if he fights it and the courts end up having to decide who won each state. marie999 Jun 2020 #64
the scandal of our times RussBLib Jun 2020 #66
I think Trump is going to contest the election claiming voter fraud and foreign interference. honest.abe Jun 2020 #68
The Idiot knows he's losing and is now spreading lies to move away from his disastrous Tulsa rally. onetexan Jun 2020 #69
I REALLY hope he refuses to leave! Dukkha Jun 2020 #76
1861 the_sly_pig Jun 2020 #78
It doesnt MATTER if he accepts it or not. He has NO POWER to stay beyond 1/21. oldsoftie Jun 2020 #79
He's probably colluding with foreigners to counterfeit ballots. nt live love laugh Jun 2020 #80
Yup...this from the yuiyoshida Jun 2020 #81
I hope the Biden campaign are SWOT analysing this to the hilt happyez Jun 2020 #83
Welcome to the DU. fleabiscuit Jun 2020 #89

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
1. Yup.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jun 2020

One if by land. Two if by sea. Three if by an orange sphincter face tyrant with twitchy thumbs on Twitter.

The end game dynamic is emerging. Time to pay attention to that.

wnylib

(21,582 posts)
71. It's going to be very ugly.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 04:41 PM
Jun 2020

I'm thinking of other countries where contested election results ended up in fighting in the streets when each candidate claimed to be the new president while their followers fought each other.

He will need to be forcibly removed, but I expect his faithful gun-toting thugs will rebel openly.

Lock him up.

(6,939 posts)
82. He's freaking out as everything he does destroys the country, and kills people.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 10:59 PM
Jun 2020

Orangeanus can whine, throw tantrums, accusations without any evidence, but the day the Electoral College votes, there's nothing he can do about it. Nothing. Powerless. On January 20 at noon, if he's still infecting the White House with his corrupt family, they will be escorted out the front-lawn's gate by the Secret Service.

I'm more afraid of what Putin could do than what that idiot can.

Lock him up.


wnylib

(21,582 posts)
84. How confident are you that the
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:49 AM
Jun 2020

people's votes for EC delegates will be accurately reported and counted? There's a lot that Putin and Trump can do to affect the votes and how they're counted. Just ask Al Gore.

What makes you sure that Trump would be powerless after the EC votes are cast?

And what about the period between election day and the day that the EC votes are certified? Or the day that the EC votes are supposed to be certified in the Senate, with either Pence or the Senate President Pro Tempore presiding?

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
13. He is a coward but his boss isn't
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:57 AM
Jun 2020

Putin will do everything he can to fuck with this election and then inform Dipshit Donnie to throw gasoline on the fire.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
3. If he and his minions say "I'm not leaving" I and 5,000,000 people will be outside the WH
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:35 AM
Jun 2020

and we will drag him through the streets if we have to

He ain't staying in power after January 20th.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
65. dems can get republican senators to drop him before that
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jun 2020

his ability to sell voter fraud is built on at least 2 decades of lying from limbaugh-led radio stations and their continued coordination in service to trump, with putin using them as well, depends on americans ignoring them. those are key to trump thinking he can sell that voter fraud bullshit.

it not only enables him and most other republicans, it allows him, through limbaugh and his leadership of all the other blowhards to intimidate most other republican politicians. they're counting on limbaugh to lead the chorus screaming about voter fraud when they find or create a few examples they can use over and over and over. talk radio is the only medium they completely control AND can be controlled and coordinated on the local and state level. all close or critical elections are going to be challenged by screaming hordes brought out by those radio stations (very small groups of dittoheads, trumpers, teabags with very loud radio stations in their sails sounding much bigger then they are). republicans count on dems ignoring it as usual like we have for the last 30 years, with media calling them 'popular movements'.

without those radio stations on his side 15 hrs/day he can't do shit and he's freaking out, along with a lot of republican politicians that it's leader limbaugh is going to croak before long. he was missing again today.

all it would take is a few, even one famous athlete saying they want their teams (100s of pro and university teams) to stop broadcasting on KKK talk radio and the whole 30 years talk radio empire will fall apart with advertisers and ad agencies doing all the work.

but those athletes don't know how they have been used to excuse racism and sell the myth there is no racism or white privilege

without talk radio there on his side there are a bunch of GOP senators that would drop him and if dems/nancy go for another impeachment it would not be hard to get the senators needed.

no need to see trump naked in the street

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
4. I don't accept he is legitimate now
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:36 AM
Jun 2020

And hope they reverse everything he's done from it being rigged for him by putin and other corrupt fascists dictators he's pals with.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
8. "This is a big story"
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:40 AM
Jun 2020

This needs to be discussed rather than blown off as the rantings of a lunatic. We all need to be prepared for this possibility and give some thought to how we'll respond if it happens.

"Put all his allies on the record."

And also, put previous presidents and Supreme Court Justices on the record. I think Thomas Friedman sensed this coming when he suggested John Roberts, President Obama and George W. Bush could unite into a single front if events were to spin beyond control.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
10. I am more worried about what to do when he "wins"
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:51 AM
Jun 2020

Mysteriously. After being down everywhere in polls. Let's just say Biden is up by 8 points in Ohio on election eve. And after vote, trump looks like he's ahead by more than recount threshold and is declared winner. Then what do we do? Would any republican governor demand an investigation?

wnylib

(21,582 posts)
73. No. Republican governors would
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 05:14 PM
Jun 2020

Be complicit.

No matter which side has or appears to have the votes, it will be ugly.

Neither side is willing to accept a win by the other side due to mistrust. Only one side is openly, illegally engineering a win. But both sides suspect each other.

I, too, am concerned about a phony win by Trump. I think there will be some serious civil unrest, regardless of who is declared (or declares himself) to be the winner.

Only question in my mind now is how will we handle it? As individuals and as agencies and institutions? Who will restore order, and how?

I suspect that people with more power and influence than ordinary citizens are already thinking about this and making contingency plans.

wnylib

(21,582 posts)
86. For sure, tinkering with electors
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:27 AM
Jun 2020

is a possibility.

Anything is a possibility, since Trump and his enablers will do anything to hold onto power. So we should prepare for anything we can imagine. And still there can be things we don't think of that they might do. These are people with no boxes to think outside of. Anything goes with them. That's very apparent from the last 3 1/2 years.

FM123

(10,054 posts)
9. The Fineman warning you posted earlier about what trumpy's plan is, bears repeating.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:45 AM
Jun 2020

1/ Beg dictators to help
2/ Create chaos with budget shutdown
3/ Use #Barr to suppress votes
4/ Reject the count
5/ Contest the count in courts
6/ Defy their rulings
7/Force authorities to remove him Noon Jan. 20, 2021.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
18. forgot covid
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:12 PM
Jun 2020

there was a recent article saying they were preparing for a second wave in Nov
plays right into the "chaos" part and ability to claim any mail ins are fake

Bettie

(16,121 posts)
32. And remember, in 1876
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:42 PM
Jun 2020

four states declared that they were unable to certify their elections. That could happen again.

https://www.270towin.com/1876_Election/ (This was the most concise explanation I have found)

The United States presidential election of 1876 was one of the most disputed presidential elections in American history. Samuel J. Tilden of New York outpolled Ohio's Rutherford B. Hayes in the popular vote, and had 184 electoral votes to Hayes' 165, with 20 votes uncounted. These 20 electoral votes were in dispute: in three states (Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina), each party reported its candidate had won the state, while in Oregon one elector was declared illegal (as an "elected or appointed official&quot and replaced. The 20 disputed electoral votes were ultimately awarded to Hayes after a bitter legal and political battle, giving him the victory.

Many historians believe that an informal deal was struck to resolve the dispute: the Compromise of 1877. In return for the Democrats' acquiescence in Hayes' election, the Republicans agreed to withdraw federal troops from the South, ending Reconstruction. The Compromise effectively ceded power in the Southern states to the Democratic Redeemers.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
11. Treason barr will comply along with . . .
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jun 2020

republicans in congress. Senate republicans will go along with it as well because apparently Moscow Mitch can see the loser writing on the wall even for the senate.

Republicans can never tell me about Patriotism, the Constitution nor Democracy again.

Make America Great Again is a effing lie.

KS Toronado

(17,309 posts)
17. I'm worried tRumpie will tell his base to get their guns and protect him
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:04 PM
Jun 2020

after he loses, or heaven forbid they should get their guns and take care of liberals or blacks for him, starting
another civil war. Pray it doesn't happen.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
20. If it comes down to civil war, so be it. I'm ready.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:25 PM
Jun 2020

If you aren't ready, you should GET ready. And that is as much an admonition for MENTAL preparedness as defense/protection preparedness.

The haters, the rednecks, the bigots, the prejudiced, the privileged, the pious will NOT be the ones deciding WHAT America is. THAT is a discussion that I am going to be a part of. I believe there are a LOT MORE of US than there are of THEM. We fight with the vengeance of what is the TRUTH, and what is RIGHT. They fight with the vengeance of FEAR and LIES.

wnylib

(21,582 posts)
75. Nut they have more ammo.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 06:20 PM
Jun 2020

They also have a lot of former military among them. That's not a reason to avoid resisting them. it's just a reality that I think we should be prepared for.

hadEnuf

(2,211 posts)
31. I believe we should consider this as a real possibility.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:42 PM
Jun 2020

They have gone too far and will have nothing to lose.

 

blakstoneranger

(333 posts)
19. HE IS THE ONE WHOS CHEATING!!!
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:19 PM
Jun 2020

Remember, he won in 2016, he admitted to accepting help from foreign enemies. We know russia interfered in our election processes. He accused the US of rigging the election for hillary clinton. HOW IS HE CHEATING THIS TIME, WHO'S HELPING HIM. HOW IS BARR INVOLVED. WE NEED TO ENSURE BIDEN IS PROTECTED. THERE ARE NO LIMITS TO HIS GREED FOR POWER. WE NEED TO WATCH HIM VERY CLOSELY. TRUMP IS GOING TO STEAL THE ELECTION RIGHT FROM UNDER OUR NOSES.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
21. We keep being warned. We can't say we didn't warn everyone else in 2016.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:26 PM
Jun 2020

Americans have to stop being believers in a system that is being smashed right in front of them. Either work to save it or sit with a child's hope that someone or some nation will save them.

We have to have more than one plan if this happens.

At the very least, and with no guarantee of success, our Party leaders MUST have an ACTION PLAN for best case and especially worst case scenarios.

Worst case especially, because no one can afford to think a fascist "winner" won't come for every single last person who voted against him. And every medium -- tv, radio, social media and Internet media -- that helped them.

It's valuable to consider again who besides Trump, from bottom to top, benefits from the end of elections. Who will control communications, food supplies, health care, utilities, military, state governing, technology.

Putin, for one.
Banks, for another.
Big fossil and all other monopolies.
Gun humpers will be the new paramilitaries, along with the 70 corporate paramilitaries that already exist.

All media will be censored so that we never know the legal outcomes of this fight, if he moves quickly between November 4 and January.

-- Advertising media, various media, content, buying and placement for advertising
-- Broadcast media, communications delivered over mass electronic communication networks
-- Digital media, electronic media used to store, transmit, and receive digitized information

-- Electronic media, communications delivered via electronic or electromechanical means
-- Interactive media, media that is interactive
-- Mass media, all networks of mass information and communication

-- Multimedia, communications that incorporate multiple forms of information content and processing
-- New media, the combination of traditional media and computer and communications technology
-- News media, mass media focused on communicating news

-- Print media, communications delivered via paper or canvas
-- Published media, any media made available to the public
-- Recording media, devices used to store information

-- Social media, media disseminated through social interactions

Right now that's all I can think of.

FM123

(10,054 posts)
38. Yep. He's going after the media like a heat seeking missile.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jun 2020

Rachel had a great episode the other night about the takeover of Voice of America.

Under the president's control US funded broadcasters could turn into a presidential propaganda machine.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/18/voice-of-america-independence-fears-after-trump-ally-purges-senior-officials

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
44. Those three controlled international media will lie 2 the world exactly as Putin did about Ukraine.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:28 PM
Jun 2020

Believe that.

And Americans SHOULD RIGHT NOW CALL FOR INTERNATIONAL ELECTION OBSERVERS.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
62. I've been to two DC protests where all cell tower phone access was shut down.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:29 PM
Jun 2020

It was done with the recent DC protests, which is why outside film crews came in to cover everything.

Did you notice any people using their phones during the protests? Not for nothing, the ACLU and EFF tell people to leave their phones home; and if they have them, how to make them secure, stuff like turning off their cellular connection, bluetooth, and turning on Airplane Mode.

(One way to find this out is to frame an explicit question to Google followed by two ?? Another is to go to Google Images and type in the same question to get a whole lineup of sources that never appear on the first two pages of Google (since their exposure is bought). )

Response to ancianita (Reply #21)

Dirtdude

(47 posts)
24. False Flag
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:33 PM
Jun 2020

Am I the only one who thinks this administration/Putin will engineer some high profile vote by mail “fraud” as a pretext for ignoring the results?

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
33. Please proceed. You're not being specific or clear about this. Please run a scenario, how it'd work,
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:45 PM
Jun 2020

who'd likely run this false flag op.

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

merrifield

(73 posts)
27. This could be a scenario:
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:36 PM
Jun 2020

Here's what they could cook up: "someone" (foreign govt, dirty trickster GOP) sends people realistic looking fake ballots. Many people have never voted by mail before, keep in mind. The person fills it out and sends it in, but it goes to an address that looks legit, but is NOT the county elections board. Then the real ballot comes in the mail and the voter is confused, possibly worried about being charged with "voter fraud" (remember the black woman sentenced to 5 yrs ?) and so just doesn't send it in. Then add in "news" stories about people supposedly finding pallets of fake ballots coming in from Mexico or somewhere. This adds to their meme of voter fraud. Now add in the fact that more Dems vote by mail than Republicans and that it could happen that on Nov 3 Trump is temporarily ahead because of this, ie, all the mails ins haven't been counted. BUT, they will pound in the story of voter fraud and say, OK, since we really don't know, let's just count the votes cast in the traditional way. Then, Republican governors in swing states declare that because of so much "fraud" they won't count them either, so there you are: Trump wins. I know I have a fertile imagination, but this could actually happen.

moose65

(3,168 posts)
87. You forget one very important thing
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 10:46 AM
Jun 2020

The three states that gave Trump his victory - Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania- now have Democratic governors. Governors have a lot of power in making sure elections are carried out correctly. North Carolina also now has a Dem governor. This will not be the same as 2016!

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
28. He ALREADY set this in motion in 2016 - do you remember?
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:40 PM
Jun 2020

Prior to the election, he was asked if he would honor the election outcome if Hillary prevailed:

"With less than 3 weeks left until Election Day, the bitter contest between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump escalated again into sharp, personal attacks during the final presidential debate of 2016. The Republican nominee said he may not accept the results of November's election and reserves the right to file a legal challenge".

This is a fascist's final tool. In a world where, historically, Democrats refuse to legally pursue the legitimacy of an election (Al Gore in 2000 comes to mind) for the better good of the nation, it's time we vigorously re-examine that approach. We've essentially been under a Putinesque rule since 2017 and this may be the crossroads in which we determine whether America is the shining example of democracy we like to herald, or a failed democracy that allowed ignorance and apathy to overwhelm the public and cause it to negligently piss it all away.

c-rational

(2,595 posts)
30. My gut is ringing alarm bells. There should be no surprise and I believe we need to start the
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:42 PM
Jun 2020

the serious fighting now, and by that I mean the fight over the SDNY appointment as well as Barr's impeachment. All Dems need concise and loud talking points to be repeated hourly, including calling out the Dumpster on his plan.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
35. A serious fight can't start in Congress with talking. Getting facts is important, but there have to
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:52 PM
Jun 2020

be more serious coordination of groups of executers of an action plan.

The National Governors Association is one.

The ACLU.

Silicon Valley and its platforms.

The Pentagon.

All the executives of the above that have benefitted from democratic economic leadership will lose, and be closed in on, if the Trump demolition of three branches gets any further after Nov 3.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
36. I know they're just tweeting what they've heard,
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:54 PM
Jun 2020

but these 2 know better than to just leave these here without putting the reality of the process,

Yes, Barr and the Trump Campaign, as well alot of state election officials will do as much as they can to suppress the vote, that's a given and has been the R's m.o. for decades, and fighting that is key this cycle,

but, also remember, the Presidential vote is really designed to vote for the delegates to the electoral college and it's up to each state to decide but most are winner take all,

but more importantly, it's up the the campaign of the candidate challenging the election of any state to pay for any recount. Can you imagine a scenario where Trump loses PA by 2 points and for him to make up those votes, he has to challenge the vote in Philly or Pittsburgh where the vast majority of voters reside? Or, expanding that, having to pay for a recount in each of the suburban counties of those 2 cities to try and make up the difference?

Now imagine him having to do the same in Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Florida possibly, and on and on?

If he does that, the real strong perception will be that of someone who's desperate (or knows what needs to be done to fix the recounts).

calimary

(81,440 posts)
37. Are we going to pay attention to these warnings this time?
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:59 PM
Jun 2020

Or just do another one one of those “meh, ‘snot gunna happen...” naive stupid-shit reactions again?

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
48. They'll depend on this. And ambushes from several operations can overwhelm our ability to stop them.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jun 2020

Which is why we need coordination with large telecom, legal, military and foreign observers, with an action plan from each of them to neutralize all the ambushes, should the ambushes be attempted.

SKKY

(11,818 posts)
40. If he loses the election, there is no way in hell he's walking out on his own...
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:15 PM
Jun 2020

...I didn't share that opinion before, but now I'm fairly certain he will initiate massive court challenges all over the place. It's going to be mayhem.

MomInTheCrowd

(269 posts)
41. Get INVOLVED NOW!!!!
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:18 PM
Jun 2020

Get ahold of your Secretary of State, volunteer at your precinct, be there at the polls, be a poll watcher, counter the narrative every way you can. NOW.

LaMouffette

(2,039 posts)
43. "MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS . . ."
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:24 PM
Jun 2020

". . . WILL BE PRINTED BY FOREIGN COUNTRIES, AND OTHERS. IT WILL BE THE SCANDAL OF OUR TIMES!"

This is what the Mango Menace tweeted today. In full:

"RIGGED 2020 ELECTION: MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS WILL BE PRINTED BY FOREIGN COUNTRIES, AND OTHERS. IT WILL BE THE SCANDAL OF OUR TIMES!"

Since Trump is, without a doubt, the poster child of psychological projection, and fence-post stupid to boot (per Stephen King's excellent summary of Trump), then he has just TOLD us one strategy that will almost certainly be used by the Trump campaign, by Trump cult followers, by Vladimir Putin, and by any countries that Trump has successfully "pulled a Ukraine" on (pressured them to help him win in 2020). Yes, there WILL be fraudulent ballots flooding this year's elections—courtesy of Trump et al.

Even if the fraudulent ballots are detected and not counted in favor of any candidate, they will still cause disruption and allow to Trump to bray that the election was rigged. In fact, for that reason alone, they will want the fake ballots to be discovered.

This is very similar to what Trump's supporters did during the Iowa primary by calling in and jamming the Democratic Party phone lines on election night. Chaos, disruption, uncertainty, . . . !

The question now is how do we react? I think the candidates need to start their own counter-propoganda strategy NOW and run ads on TV and online warning that Trump and Russia and Trump's supporters will be printing counterfeit ballots. We need to call them on it before they do their first fake ballot dump.

Fight back NOW, Dems, against the fraudulent "voter fraud" that has already begun to be unleashed against us!

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
49. Reaction is defense that never wins. We have to plan a coordinated system that is unhackable, from
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:36 PM
Jun 2020

ballots, to delivery of ballots, to counters, to securing state servers, to certification of votes to legal teams, to defend all GOP/Putin/Trump challenges at every level.

Response to ancianita (Reply #49)

bluestarone

(17,025 posts)
46. IF there IS foreign ballots printed it's because
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:32 PM
Jun 2020

HE and PUTIN have THIS plan. They COULD very much mess our election up!! I also worry about the person RUMP put in the postal service, SOMETHING will happen we know this!!!

Nitram

(22,861 posts)
47. Trump did exactly the same thing during the election in which he was elected.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:32 PM
Jun 2020

The only way we can shut this asshole up is to put him behind bars.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
50. Let him keep revealing his plans. Better to know so we can be ready to neutralize all his ops.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:37 PM
Jun 2020

THEN put him behind bars. Hoist by his own petard.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
51. Except this is the one time Trump IS NOT lying.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:43 PM
Jun 2020

He’s just leaving important context out.

Foreign countries WILL print millions of ballots. There WILL be unprecedented levels of fraud.

BUT

It’s BY Trump, Russia, N. Korea, etc.

He’s absolutely telling the truth. He’s just leaving out that his team is the one doing it.

 

dem4evah

(75 posts)
52. SO sick of this POS....
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jun 2020

but more than that, I'm starting to worry about some of my fellow DU'ers. Don't let this miserable excuse for a human being cow you into thinking he 'won't go' and all this other BS. My god, Gorsuch and Roberts just dealt him two humiliating defeats. Sure, he'll try all sorts of sordid, desperate, maniacal garbage after he loses on 11/3 but people have had their fill of him. BY AND LARGE they've had their fill that is. Sure, he's polling consistently at 40% but it's probably going to go down the more he self destructs. STAY the course, help out the Biden Campaign (like I am) and most of all....don't panic. He's starting to crack and getting sloppier by the day. 4 months and 10 days until we vote him OUT once and for all.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
53. There needs to be massive exit polling from numerous organizations.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jun 2020

To help people trust that the reported election numbers statistically align with how people say they voted.

 

Larry Moecurley

(72 posts)
56. Like the Rapist He Is,
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jun 2020

Trump will not take NO for an answer, and we'd damn well better get ready to fight back!

bucolic_frolic

(43,258 posts)
60. So if you were the Trump campaign, how would you cheat?
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:25 PM
Jun 2020

2016 distorted minds, general disinformation and lies and propaganda, key counties that mysteriously came up spades. Did they ever recount those places? Was it a fair roll, or no dice.

How should Democrats worry?

Multigenerational conclaves of extended families and churches, across geographies, worry me.

I think the focus on mail-in voter fraud is so pronounced that it is meant to distract Democratic campaign operatives from the real steal.

There are also choke points in voting. Any number of points along the process of registering to the final tally have opportunity for a couple of dishonest sifting.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
61. Like always, Trump will make a lot of provocative statements
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:26 PM
Jun 2020

The news media (and us sadly) will get all worked up.

And then on January 20, he'll move out of the White House. I doubt he stops his tweeting, but that is another thing (and I don't care).

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
64. What if he fights it and the courts end up having to decide who won each state.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:40 PM
Jun 2020

It would take months. In that case, no one would be elected by January 20, 2021. The XX Amendment to the Constitution is very plain that his presidency and vice-presidency end on that day and with no one elected, the Speaker of the House becomes president. Do you think that the Republicans will be happy with Pelosi as president? That is why they will not allow trump to do anything stupid.

RussBLib

(9,034 posts)
66. the scandal of our times
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 03:11 PM
Jun 2020

is Trump himself, obviously.

He's trying to psych people out. He knows we know he uses lots of projection. So...project something big. Yuge.

What kind of power-mad freak is this anyway?

We may have to pry him outta there, but if we have to...

honest.abe

(8,684 posts)
68. I think Trump is going to contest the election claiming voter fraud and foreign interference.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 03:26 PM
Jun 2020

His mob connections in Russia will plant the evidence to give his claims credibility. He will try to escalate it all the way to SCOTUS where he hopes his RW judges will back him.

onetexan

(13,056 posts)
69. The Idiot knows he's losing and is now spreading lies to move away from his disastrous Tulsa rally.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jun 2020

another day in politics

oldsoftie

(12,587 posts)
79. It doesnt MATTER if he accepts it or not. He has NO POWER to stay beyond 1/21.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:09 PM
Jun 2020

Period.
It only makes him look more pitiful.

A trump loss should be by at LEAST 6-8 points if things stay as they are now. And a large electoral loss will be hard to call "fraud"
But yes, his followers are already screaming about stealing the election

yuiyoshida

(41,839 posts)
81. Yup...this from the
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jun 2020

@$$#0[3 President.. Biden said if he wins, Mr. Trump will be hand carried out of the White house and charged for Tress passing. lol wouldn't that be sweet.

happyez

(10 posts)
83. I hope the Biden campaign are SWOT analysing this to the hilt
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:48 PM
Jun 2020

Every one of these points, and ideas on how Trump etc can rig the election, need to be taken into account.

If the Biden campaign haven't done this yet, here is what I would do if I had an hour minimum with the higherups.

Under the banner of 'what will Trump do before, during and after Nov 3', I'd break the team into 3 groups.

Each must do a brainstorming session (divergent thinking) and then finding the most likely scenarios to work on (convergent thinking).

Any and every possibility is on the cards (e.g. Blackwater troops; any underground militias (the fat old blokes) being trained by Russian or North Korean special forces; fradulent mail ballots; lawsuits by the thousands; Repub states siding with Trump; 'accidental' deaths; sabatours; some arcane law being brought back into action; arrest of House and Senate dems under trumped up charges etc.)

in fact, every point made in this thread goes into the pot.

Which has the greatest likelihood? Experts in all fields will tell you. Bring them in.

Then line up what we can do against this, and start planning now. This itself is also a SWOT analysis (in W, would be lines like 'but Trump will be hauled out by troops and Biden will be the new CinC!'). Anything that sounds like 'lets reach across the aisle' 'we go high when they go low' is not going to be helpful in front of a fascistic system. Anyone that reminds you of the German KPD/SPD spat from 1933-1936, thinking the NS will fall in a heap, needs to be put aside. We're the ones saying we have to learn from history or we are doomed to repeat, well don't doom then!

I imagine this is being done, but just in case it isn't, this is my best suggestion on ways forward.

Hope this is helpful (this is also my first post, hope its not too intense!)

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