New Poll Shows Jamaal Bowman in the Lead for NY 16th Seat

[liskddksil]

Bowman 41
Engel 31
Not sure 27

Leaning among Not sure group:
Bowman 40
Engel 18
No one 42

Field dates 6/11 - 6/15

http://filesforprogress.org/datasets/2020/6/ny_16/06_20_ny_16.pdf

[still_one]

1. Data for Progress is rated as B- pollster

Data for Progress
Method: Online/text
Polls Analyzed: 31
Advanced: -0.2
Predictive: +0.5
538 Grade: B-
Mean Reverted Bias: D+0.0

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

[George II]

2. Online/text poll that was weighted:

Between June 11th and June 15th, 2020, Data for Progress conducted a survey of 525 likely Democratic voters matched to the voter file in NY16 using a web panel and text-to-web survey from respondents from a commercial voter file. The sample was weighted to be representative of likely voters by age, gender,education and race.

[lapucelle]

3. OcasioCortez and Engel, according to On the Issues.

https://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez.htm

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https://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Eliot_Engel_HouseMatch.htm

[liskddksil]

4. Engel has had some particularly troubling positions in the past

including opposing Barack Obama's Iran Nuclear Agreement in 2015 and supporting the war in Iraq.

[George II]

5. Name one Democratic office holder or candidate that hasn't had "troubling" positions, please.

[liskddksil]

7. I prefer candidates who supported Obama's agenda and not undermined him nt

[George II]

8. I've never heard anyone claim that Eliot Engel "undermined" Barack Obama, until just now.

[liskddksil]

10. "Blows for Barack Obama as key lawmakers come out against Iran deal"

https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/blows-for-barack-obama-as-key-lawmakers-come-out-against-iran-deal-2/115442/

[lapucelle]

14. Prior to becoming a Democrat in 2018, Bowman was a member of the Independence Party.

Mr. Engel also highlighted how Mr. Bowman only registered as a Democrat in 2018; he was previously registered in the Independence Party.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/nyregion/eliot-engel-jamaal-bowman-primary.html

The Independence Party endorsed McCain-Palin in 2008.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Party_of_New_York

[liskddksil]

21. Desperation Central from the Engel Campaign

Bowman said, “For Eliot Engel to suggest that I, as a black man in America, would be for McCain and Palin over Barack Obama is just absurd. I have always supported Democratic candidates, and I was proud to vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012, and for Hillary Clinton in 2016.”

https://nypost.com/2020/06/12/rep-eliot-engel-slams-rival-jamaal-bowman-as-phony-democrat/

[lapucelle]

25. The New York Post is a right wing source and Trump's favorite newspaper.

I wonder why
1. Bowman stuck with a party that endorsed McCain-Palin
2. There is no record of his having voted in the 2012 GE.

[liskddksil]

27. These records are often wrong which is why voter roll purges succeed

and continue to disenfranchise many, especially minorities throughout this country.

Bowman said, “For Eliot Engel to suggest that I, as a black man in America, would be for McCain and Palin over Barack Obama is just absurd. I have always supported Democratic candidates, and I was proud to vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012, and for Hillary Clinton in 2016.”

https://nypost.com/2020/06/12/rep-eliot-engel-slams-rival-jamaal-bowman-as-phony-democrat/

[lapucelle]

29. Bowman stayed a member of a party that endorsed McCain-Palin for 10 full years

after that endorsement. And then Bowman remained a member even after the Johnson endorsement in 2016 and two years of the Trump presidency.

No one is suggesting anything. Facts are facts.

Perhaps the best course for him would be to take responsibility and apologize.

[liskddksil]

33. Many New Yorkers register with the Independence Party thinking they are registering as Independents

[lapucelle]

34. So you're contending that Bowman may have been confused by the form?

That seems like a reason not to vote for a candidate.



https://www.elections.ny.gov/NYSBOE/download/voting/voteform_enterable.pdf

[liskddksil]

35. Meh on that, but a candidate like Engel not supporting the Obama/Biden Iran Nuclear deal

which kept us safe is definitely a reason not to support him.

[lapucelle]

36. Belonging to a political party that endorsed McCain-Palin and Gary Jonson is definitely a reason

not to vote for a candidate.

He should take responsibility and apologize.

[liskddksil]

37. He voted for Obama nt

[lapucelle]

38. Bowman needs to take responsibility and apologize for being a member of that party.

He should also demand that the election day sign in book be opened to the press if he wants to correct the 2012 record. I vote in New York. The sign in is mandatory and a voter's record goes back decades.

[liskddksil]

39. Since this is all Engel seems to have on Bowman, I think the campaign might want to try a different

tactic.

[lapucelle]

40. If I were Engel, I'd stick with this.

Whether the candidate was a sincere Independence Party member, didn't care enough to change his registration until there was a benefit, or was confused filling out the voter registration form, none of it inspires even a modicum of confidence in his qualification for office.

[lapucelle]

13. The first duty of any responsible citizen is to actually vote.

As the race has intensified, Mr. Engel has also fought back, pointing out that election records show that Mr. Bowman did not vote in 2012, even as Barack Obama — still the lodestar of many Democratic voters — sought a second term. Mr. Bowman insists that he remembers voting in Manhattan that year, saying “there must be a problem with the records.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/nyregion/eliot-engel-jamaal-bowman-primary.html

[liskddksil]

24. His quote denies the charge. nt

[lapucelle]

15. Until 2018, Bowman belonged to a party that endorsed McCain-Palin in 2008

and Gary Johnson in 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Party_of_New_York

And it appears that Bowman didn't vote in the 2012 election.

[liskddksil]

26. He denies this charge

Bowman said, “For Eliot Engel to suggest that I, as a black man in America, would be for McCain and Palin over Barack Obama is just absurd. I have always supported Democratic candidates, and I was proud to vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012, and for Hillary Clinton in 2016.”

https://nypost.com/2020/06/12/rep-eliot-engel-slams-rival-jamaal-bowman-as-phony-democrat/

[R B Garr]

30. Links show he didn't vote in 2012

So his current faux outrage about being exposed is rather empty.

[liskddksil]

31. Voter records are often innacurate, which is why we see so many voter purges

throughout the country which predominately hurts minority communities.

Bowman said, “For Eliot Engel to suggest that I, as a black man in America, would be for McCain and Palin over Barack Obama is just absurd. I have always supported Democratic candidates, and I was proud to vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012, and for Hillary Clinton in 2016.”

https://nypost.com/2020/06/12/rep-eliot-engel-slams-rival-jamaal-bowman-as-phony-democrat/

[R B Garr]

32. Challenging incumbent Democrats sounds like a plan of certain outside parties, though.

I bet the info is accurate.

[lapucelle]

17. I prefer candidates who didn't belong to a party that endorsed McCain-Palin in 2008.

Imagine sticking with a party that endorsed McCain-Palin in 2008 and Gary Johnson in 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Party_of_New_York

[liskddksil]

23. 100% False, there was no Presidential Primary in NY in 2012 nt

[lapucelle]

41. He didn't vote in the 2012 general election.

[liskddksil]

42. He says he did and I'll take his word over records that have proven inaccurate before nt

[lapucelle]

6. Engel is a hard core liberal based on a 30 year record in Congress.

OcasioCortez has voted with Republicans/against the Democratic majority 40 times this year alone.

https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/O000172-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/votes-against-party/116

[George II]

9. She was the ONLY Democrat to vote against this bill (HR 266):

"Making appropriations for the Department of the Interior, environment, and related agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2019, and for other purposes", siding with four republicans.

The other 211 Demcrats in attendance voted for the bill.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2020/roll104.xml

[liskddksil]

11. Not sure what AOC has to do with this thread nt

[George II]

12. About as much as Chuck Schumer has to do with it:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13606806

[R B Garr]

18. That is a really sketchy vote! It's no wonder there are

still so many questions about her.

[R B Garr]

16. Wow! That is inexcusable.

Thanks for this illuminating information, lapucelle. Helping Republicans isn’t very...progressive. smh

[lapucelle]

19. Bowman belonged to the Independence Party until 2018.

The Independence Party endorsed McCain-Palin in 2008 and Gary Johnson in 2016.

[R B Garr]

20. Wow, that is shocking, and it should be fully exposed

during this campaign. When you consider the manipulative cheap shots used against Engel when the context of his words were twisted compared to this actual previous endorsement of Republicans, there is reason to question what is going on.

Thanks, lapucelle. You have the best links/info!

[liskddksil]

22. To bad all the info he is providing is false

Bowman said, “For Eliot Engel to suggest that I, as a black man in America, would be for McCain and Palin over Barack Obama is just absurd. I have always supported Democratic candidates, and I was proud to vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012, and for Hillary Clinton in 2016.”

https://nypost.com/2020/06/12/rep-eliot-engel-slams-rival-jamaal-bowman-as-phony-democrat/

[R B Garr]

28. "Desperate for victory" the left unites to take down Engel

We see who is actually desperate.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/16/eliot-engel-progressives-election-324102

"Desperate for victory after watching the presidential nomination slip through their fingers, progressives have found a new cause to rally around."

[TristanIsolde]

43. He is going to win.